Enjoy the mosaic of misery: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-...er-and-monster
Seriously, is there not a thread on this here yet?
Why is everything about Amanda Berry when there were three girls kidnapped and held all this time? It's pretty annoying.
These stories are so fucked up it's unbelievable. Torture would really be a nice punishment for the sick fucks who do this kind of thing. The most painful thing about reading the stories is the hindsight of knowing all the different times/ways it could have been discovered or stopped but it just didn't happen. Also, the thought of not being able to escape for 10 YEARS (or 18 in that other case) in the middle of an American city is just mind blowing.
Last edited by foddon; 05-07-2013 at 10:39 PM.
Pretty sure people convicted of crimes against children and high profile criminals like Bernie Maddof get put in separate holding areas to avoid getting them murdered in jail.
This is amazing news. Hard to believe really, but we got the case in Germany (last year?) with something similar. The thing that really gets me is, you know, without a shadow of a doubt, there are more women and children out there, trapped and just waiting.
Torture for these guys? I dunno, that kinda seems too good for them.
Sylvia "She's Dead, Jim" Browne, scumbag psychic and Harvey Fierstein stand-in, telling Amanda Berry's mother she's dead on the Montel Williams show.
Yeah, it's almost an Onion story.
HAHAHA I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG WHEN A LITTLE PRETTY WHITE GIRL RAN INTO THE BLACK MAN'S ARM.
I must have more of this guy. Maybe a talk show with the 'hide yo women, hide yo children' dude.
Lol I came here to post something serious but I can't stop laughing about the psychic and Charles Ramsey. He just knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms lol, why on earth would he say that? It reminds me of that Chappelle's Show clip about the blind black KKK member that someone posted recently (I forget which forum it was in or who posted it but it was pretty funny). I don't know, he seems so serious that I'm not sure if he was being racist or funny.
If he wasn't eating his McDonalds at the time, there's a chance he may not have heard the screaming and they may have been trapped there for god knows how much longer. I will use this an excuse to go eat a Big Mac.
Just in case it hasn't been mentioned yet, the guy who owned the house, Ariel Castro I believe his name is, was arrested at the nearby McDonald's. Which tells me that he was probably arrested at the same McDonald's that the black dude got his dinner from.
Anyway, its pretty clear that the Cleveland Police dropped the ball on this one, bad, and there needs to be jobs lost and people held accountable for this tragedy. You can google the street these people lived on. Its literally smack dab in the middle of Cleveland, like a couple blocks from the waterfront. The street is maybe a mile or two long. Its only a mile or two from where the kidnappings happened.
Oh and, just in case that isn't enough to convince you what a fuck up this whole thing was on the part of the Cleveland PD then this article should do the trick
Let us just not forget that it was also in Cleveland that the police missed this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Sowell
There is clearly something profoundly wrong with Cleveland's police department for them to miss two high profile cases like this over the past decade.
It's not just the Cleveland Police where heads are going to roll, someone in the FBI is probably going to resign or "retire" because of this. From the article Itzena linked in the second post:
But yeah, there will probably be a few Cleveland Police officials "retiring to spend time with their family" after all of this is over.“These kids all knew each other,” private investigator Chris Giannini says. During and after the girls’ disappearances, in 2004, he employed a man named Fernando Colon - Ariel Castro’s ex-wife’s husband - as a security site supervisor at a local shopping center and got to know the inner workings of the family fairly well.
Colon had fallen under the suspicions of the FBI during their investigation into DeJesus’s whereabouts. By way of marriage, he was somewhat close to the Castro family, and his step-daughters certainly ran in the same circles at the missing teenager. Colon was soon brought in for questioning regarding the disappearances.
But he was cleared following a polygraph test. The man in turn insisted that FBI agents look into Ariel Castro, a man who seemed to attract tumult and disorder throughout his adult life.
“They did not follow up on that,” Giannini says. The Cleveland Division of the FBI offered no comment on the matter when contacted by Scene.
Free room and board for over a decade.
What's wrong with that, bitches?
That 911 call haha...
Operator: Is that your address?
Man: I'm smarter than that bro, I'm telling you where the crime was!
Same reason he asked what she was wearing? To identify her immediately, especially if she wandered away.
I want to move in that house just to be that guy's neighbor. Bonus: Already built soundproof cave for my computer room.
I'm glad they were able to find them but what a sickening story. Of all the vile shit that humans do to eachother from torture, slavery, hate crimes, genocide and different perversions, I find this indefinite detention in people's basements the most atrocious and inhumane.
Is it just me or do the cops never solve anything in real life unless someone calls them and tells them exactly who did it and sometimes not even then?
You know law enforcement is a joke when they resort to asking people like Sylvia Browne to help them solve crimes.
Which, in this case, they pretty much did.
I mean it could be a hoax, its true, but I'd still say that's reasonable justification for a search of the house, rather than a knock knock and walk away.
At the very least, there should have been contact made with someone in the home. Period. If they had to sit out there all day to make contact and see if the person will act suspicious or not, they still should have. This isn't a normal "Oh the neighbors are fighting" there are reports that people saw these men holding these women on dog collars, forcing them to walk on all fours like dogs in the back yard naked, called the police, and nothing ever happened.
Cleveland police have proven themselves to be utterly incompetent.
Armchair lawyer incoming but I believe they'd still need a warrant for something as circumstantial as those reports. And while it's unlikely the police pursued the warrant, it also may be equally unlikely it would've have been granted anyway. We don't know the veracity of the claims submitted to the police officers. If it's something like "I think I saw a naked woman with a baby beating on a window", I can understand why the claim may not have been given the gravity the situation apparently required.
That's a problem. A big problem.
Also, CNN is once again showing how awesome they are when it comes to reporting. (linked from local radio station)
I listened to an interview with Jim Florentine from the TV show "Crank Yankers" on Comedy Central and he said that the cops kicked his door in once because he told a telemarketer that his girlfriend was getting an amateur abortion in the back room (and he had his girlfriend and some other guy yelling and running a vacuum cleaner in the background). The cops had been to his apartment before due to a prank call and they knew who he was and they still did that so I would think they could probably do the same based on a call like this.
We know for a fact that someone called and reported seeing a woman being forced to walk around naked in dog collar in the back yard.
That right there should be enough evidence to warrant at least surveillance of the house for a week or SOMETHING.
We're talking about a man who did this for 10 years without most of the neighborhood having a clue, probably including the people who sent tips in to the police. This is an uncommonly uncommon crime, who would be looking for it?
Ah but this is the second high profile "uncommonly uncommon" crime to occur in Cleveland over the past decade that the cops missed completely until someone got away.
7.9 miles apart from one another:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cleve...en&sa=N&tab=wl (12205 Imperial Avenue to Seymour Avenue both in Cleveland on googlemaps, can't get the link to work right)
Sowell's house and this house. In fact, remains at Sowell's house were checked against DNA to see if they matched any of these three girls.
I think they dropped the ball bad, but that's just my personal opinion, I understand what you're saying I just disagree I guess.
Um, maybe I'm wrong here, but if this was a domestic violence thing with those previous 911 complaints, don't you think the cops should do something? Let's say there's a woman beating on the windows and her spouse/boyfriend beats her unconscious. Someone calls 911 and they respond by showing up to the house. Well, now there's no more woman beating on the window so when the cops get there, everything looks A-Ok! Do the cops not have a responsibility to question a woman at the house about what the fuck is going on?
I've worked with several people who had the cops called on them for domestic disputes, certainly nothing as crazy as having a woman on a leash naked in the backyard. The guys certainly weren't just allowed to stay at the house. In fact, in most of the cases, they had to completely vacate the property.
I don't know what the hell happened in any of the three circumstances, but just saying that they're not allowed to search without a warrant seems way the fuck off to me.
Woman on a leash in the backyard is personally not something I'd call the cops over.
Yeah... but Cleveland ain't Germany bro.
WHY CAN'T CLEVELAND BE GERMANY? OHIO UBER ALLES.
That looks like Bad Luck Brian made the MTF transition.
Charles Ramsey is indeed a funny character but when asked about the reward money he said
"I tell you what you do, give it to them (the kidnapped girls) ... you know I got a job anyway," and pulled out his paycheck that he just picked up.
Pretty awesome dude.
Is it her butt?
It's her butt, isn't it?
i think you are talking about Austria,not Germany:
this one was more sick:
about the fuckers who do stuff like this,send them to jail but to the general population.
Ramsey is a fuckin hero. but LOL @ "hey check this out".i thought he was going to rap or something.
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
Also kudos to Anderson Cooper for just not busting up laughing during any of that interview.
and what is up with that youtube video. 144p? Is that quarter density?
This is probably the image quality we're to get used to once bandwidth limits are the standard for all ISPs
Last edited by Quineloe; 05-08-2013 at 07:11 PM.
Yeah sounds like a real winner. Still, he did the right thing, and that shouldn't be taken from him. The 3 women now free surely won't give a fuck about his criminal history.
So you're saying that a black man beat his wife and the internet is going to judge him harshly for that.
He's a black man above 40? Working a non College job. Did anyone here seriously expect him not to have a Record?
I think racist comments are pretty low on the totem pole of fucked up shit we, and especially Quineloe, have done on these forums. Seriously..
Who cares about the guy having a criminal record? Clearly if he has a criminal record then he has been punished for his crimes, there's no reason for such a thing to even be brought up.
When you're in a dungeon with your daughter and he's literally a Hispanic Craster, I don't think you even care if your rescuer is Ramsay Bolton. You get the fuck out.
dontbanmebroUsing a unique data set drawn from state administrative records, this project examines how spending time in prison affects wage trajectories for a cohort of men over a 14-year period. Multilevel growth curve models show no evidence of racial divergence in wages in quarters leading up to incarceration. However, after release, wages grow at a 21 percent slower rate for black compared to white ex-inmates. Blacks also enjoy fewer wage returns to work history compared to their white counterparts.
I was more referencing this part:
The Bureau of Justice Statistics now estimates that one in three black men can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime.
Oh they got me good with their below the real article abstract. I actually found the same statistic like ten seconds ago.
But the police have plenty of time to post up ads on backpage.com, posing as prostitutes busting johns from the surburbs in hotel rooms out at the city limits, they've done it quite a few times now.
A lot of the city is decaying RAPIDLY, 15 years from now Cleveland will be worse shape than Detroit, much of Detroit hit rock bottom a while ago and they've even started to reclaim some of the land and improve it, Cleveland is definitely still on the decline. They don't maintain their houses or yards, sometimes for years, windows stay broken or get boarded up with plywood (and the city ignores it, when other cities would step in and use city workers to mow yard long grass). And if you look at statistics such as the number of single mothers raising children (Cleveland is one of the highest in the nation something like 75% and that's not an exaggeration), things are only going to get worse, the kids think it's normal to grow up playing on a street where a streetwalker and crack dealer operate, and mom works as a stripper and prostitute.. but don't think I'm blaming "adult entertainment" on the plight of Cleveland, it's just that all the decent (intelligent) women flee to Pittsburgh, Columbus, or Cincinnati because of the crime and the lack men with decent jobs. Oh, and did I mention the roads? Potholes aren't even being fixed anymore, there are certain roads that have gone 5+ years without repair.
TL;DR Cleveland is a shithole city that no one lives in willingly.
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The reasons Cleveland is a shithole:I didn’t grow up thinking being a single mom was cool. I watched girls in my neighborhood get pregnant and drop out of school, and I knew that wasn’t going to be me. As a matter of fact, my mother raised me to wait to have sex until I was married (uhh…yeah).
So when those little lines appeared on the pregnancy test, I was shook.
While I didn’t necessary want an abortion, I didn’t feel like I was prepared—economically or emotionally—to be a parent either.
I feverishly called around looking for the magic place handing out free abortions only find out that I’d have to pay upwards of $400 for the procedure.
That was $400 I did not have. And the only people I might have been able to ask for the money (my parents), would have totally tried to talk me out of it.
But here’s an interesting tidbit: prenatal care was free.
And had I tried to get food stamps (I should have), and housing assistance (I should have done that too), that was available as well—providing my child’s father was not in the picture. Big ass catch 22.
Here’s my beef with most articles about single mothers, though. Instead of providing actual solutions about how to better educate, arm, and support women BEFORE they become pregnant, most tend to focus on what will happen after you get knocked up.
This is the short version: You will be poor. Your children will go to jail. You will never finish school. Your children will not go to college. You will die broke. You will be miserable. The end.
It's all related in a vicious cycle. Cleveland exemplifies this.
Last edited by Antarius; 05-09-2013 at 02:17 PM.
In the interest of the general forums, nsfw, because of the word "Fuck" used once. However, it completely contradicts all of the bad things mentioned about Cleveland previously.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't want to live there. I went to Ohio a few years ago and some neighborhoods I definitely felt unsafe driving through.
Also thought it was cute that the dude bought his house for $12000. I know it's a shitty neighborhood, but sign me the fuck up. I pay more than that in rent in a single year.
People are saying now that Amanda is saying this guy is lying and it was actually the non English speaking guy that broke her out and this guy just called 911.
Blacks wouldn't lie, Amanda is a racist.
If only he had already finished that Big Mac, he could've done more.
There was another missing girl they're trying to link him to, the other women have said they remembered other girls in the house too. Damn. May not be a happy ending if they start finding bodies.
So why didnt these girls just like try and escape?
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