Just rewatched this movie, it gets better and better with each subsequent viewing.
Dont get me wrong, it could have been 10x better if it wasnt for Lindelof. But otherwise it was still an amazing piece of sci-fi/horror.
Pretty excited about Prometheus 2, even moreso that Lindelof wont have anything to do with it
Last edited by Araysar; 04-30-2013 at 10:29 AM.
Araysar is trying to become the Lumie of Movie House forum ?
There's some hot bitches in this movie!
Nice troll attempt. Movie fucking sucked and was even worse when I watched again a few weeks ago on HBO.
I noticed so many more subtle touches and details on subsequent viewings. A hallmark of a well-done film.
This movie is the "whats a paladin?" of sci-fi movies.
Did that article really claim that Prometheus was the best sci-fi movie to come out in 2012? -.-
Waiting to rewatch when a directors cut comes out, pretty much every Riddley Scot movie improves immensely with a directors cut.
Best sci-fi movie of June 8, 2012.
I actually just watched it last night on HBO. Literally fell asleep twice and gave up. Read the plot summary this morning - turns out I didn't miss much. Shame, I thought the opening 5 minutes was well done.
Put those scenes into a new BD and I will buy it.
Personally, I liked it. I think the thing that stuck out most obviously was the tie in at the end when the large alien took off and was sitting in the same chair (and length) of the crashed alien ship from the original alien. I look forward to seeing where it is going, and I am guessing, regardless of rumor, we will see more Alien franchise tie in.
Considering most anything that comes out these days in Sci- Fi is horrible, at least it was a bit different.
It also did very well in the box office.
Budget $120-130 million
Box office $403 million
Yeah, I liked it as well, fuck all the haters. It wasnt some award winning masterpiece of sci-fi work, but it was enjoyable.
I actually downloaded it from some torrent site and watched it on my comp. This is how I watch most of my movies, believe it or not.
Now, how good or consistent a movie is may or may not have anything to do with how enjoyable it is. For example, one of my favorites is "The Pest" with John Leguizamo. It is a bad movie. Even Leguizamo has disowned it. But it is fun. It is dumb, but fun.
So, for those of you who liked Prometheus, I am not going to tell you that you are wrong or bad for liking it.
For those who did not like Prometheus, I'll just leave this here for your enjoyment...
I have never seen a movie that aspired to be so smart, yet acted so dumb.
The big-picture story was fine, the movie was visually stunning, the cast was A+, and then you have the writing/plot which totally mother-fucked it into the dirt. It is so fucking stupid, that it is insulting. Lindelof is the Adam Sandler of Sci-fi and one of the biggest hacks to ever work in the business.
I saw this a few months ago and didn't understand some of it, having not been very familiar with the original Alien series. I caught the original Alien this past weekend and Prometheus made a lot more sense. I don't understand all the hate, but I remember the reviews from the original FoH thread absolutely destroyed this and kept me from seeing it in the first place.
Like the red letter media vid.
this entire movie is just inundated with dialogue and set pieces that take you out of the story over and over again.
like 10min into the movie.
They wake from cryo sleep, and then are briefed on their job.
not the specifics of the job. The job itself.
These guys got into cryo for 2 year one way trip, without knowing what the job they were hired for was at all. Bear in mind, the first thing Vickers asks is if anyone died. suggesting that was a likely possibility.
Dumb shit like this completely takes you out of the story.
The quote about why they thought the aliens were progenitors. fuck I dont remember exactly what it was..
Experts in their fields. The xeno-biologist takes off his helm immediately, after being told that breathing the air is like breathing a car exhaust.
The guy that maps out the caves. gets lost. somehow...
Just non-stop stupidity.
Run sideways to avoid giant rolling ship..
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Beautifully made, shot and the acting is competent.
Still the fucking dumbest movie ever. It's insulting.
Suspension of disbelief is one thing. Someone not understanding how to veer left or right is beyond retarded. Given the film hadn't exactly been gripping up until that point there is no excusing it.
the real problem with the veer left or right thing, is the movie itself lampshaded it.
Between the lucky magic rock saving her, and the fact she decided to eventually veer right.
That entire sequence was cartoon physics/logic out of nowhere, and just takes you out of the movie. you start laughing at it.
yeah no it was a total letdown to the alien franchise and will remain that way..
horrible fucking movie and i watched it twice or rather i attempted to watch it a second time. i couldnt get passed the stoner scientists stupidity
If Astrocreep hates it, you know its awesome.
When has he ever been right about a movie?
You know what they say about broken clocks...
To have a scientist discover that we were just a scientific experiment of some albino race of giants and just go "alrighty then!" seems just as ludicrous.
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The movie could have derived from any other story, and I'd still not have liked it. Tell me a new story, not an old one wrapped up in a thinly veiled disguise.
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Did you guys see the dark haired hot bitch when she was almost all naked and shit?
Because it wasn't about Christianity. Sure, it had some elements of it and i wouldnt expect anything less, because Christianity itself borrows from the notions of life, rebirth and sacrifice that have circulated in different cultures for thousands of years prior to Jesus. Just look at Ouroboros or the Phoenix.
Just because a movie has cars in it, doesnt mean its about racing.
Meh i though the movie was alright. Wasn't amazingly great but definitely not horrible. I guess people here love hyperbolie. Anyways these videos go a good ways to explain why the movie came out as it did.
Alien Resurrection was better than Prometheus.
Prometheus did have hotter bitches though, I'll give it that.
does this really need another thread. Oh wait its a troll, proceed i guess.
"But some humans do act in ways the Engineers might have grudgingly admired. Take Holloway, Shaw's lover, who impregnates her barren womb with his black slime riddled semen before realising he is being transformed into something Other. Unlike the hapless geologist and botanist left behind in the chamber, who only want to stay alive, Holloway willingly embraces death. "
wait a minute. which brings up yet another stupid movie moment. Holloway, knows hes infected by some alien lifeform. And despite what that sentence says, no, his first reaction was most certainly not to accept death. quite the opposite. he denied anything is fucking wrong with him, had sex, walked around the ship, went down into the cave again.
Again, this is the stupid shit that takes you out of a movie. There is no way in hell, when we get around to interplanetary travel, quarantines won't be drilled into everyone. This is B movie level stupid shit. has no place in a AAA movie. Oh no, I got bit by a zombie. well, I dont want to die, so I assume I'll be the one guy in a million that won't turn. Oh, and Ill be sure not to tell anyone else, so they won't be ready to stop me when I attack them. Oh, and thankfully, no one else will be paying attention enough to notice me looking like death.
remember Alien? dude get attacked and what do they do? Ripley refused to let them back on at all. Gets overruled, and they bring him back to the med lab and put him in stasis. there medical equipment failing to detect the eggs.
Holloway didnt even realize he was sick UNTIL AFTER he has sex with Shaw.
On top of that, with weird shit happening all around them with only a dozen and a half people in a giant ship, i doubt anyone's truly giving a fuck about protocol. I can certainly see why Holloway uncertain of whats happening to him (but relatively certain that he is condemning himself to death if he announces his condition, either by being killed or left behind) is reluctant to tell anyone about whats happening to him until he can go back to the alien complex and try to find out more information.
If anything that just bolsters Prometheus when Vickers plainly says that she's going to set Holloway on fire if they bring his sick ass on board. And she does right there on the ramp in front of everyone.remember Alien? dude get attacked and what do they do? Ripley refused to let them back on at all. Gets overruled, and they bring him back to the med lab and put him in stasis. there medical equipment failing to detect the eggs.
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He even referenced a scene that was deleted where the builder explains that they sent a Caretaker to Earth, and we crucified him two thousand years ago. They said they deleted the scene because they thought it was too heavy handed, and wanted us to figure out from the vague symbolism in the movie. Only, to me anyway, I knew what it was about from the opening scene. Only after I read the Cavalorn blog, did I realize that Scott actually referenced multiple scriptures in the movie.
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we know exactly how the pyramids were made. and we could recreate them if we wanted to.
interior ramps, and corners capped after the fact.
And there is no such thing as a missing link.
To use comics as a parable.
We have issues 1-11, 13-15,17,19-400.
Suggesting issues 12, 16, and 18 are a missing link, and thus probably aliens creating the jump, makes you a fucking retard.
Why are you idiots responding when you KNOW Araysar is trolling?
When have I ever trolled on these boards?
I'm simply defending my views.
It's all too obvious.
You act like I'm pulling this out of thin air, these words are from Scott's mouth, that the bigger story was of Cosmic Jesus and we were supposed to figure that out.
Read the interviews again.
3 people died in Boston bombings, that represents the Holy Trinity. it happened on April 15 which is a Christian Feast Day and one guy got both of his legs blown off. This is symbolic of the Christian soldiers breaking victims' legs at the crucifixion. This can be done with just about any event or film in human history.
Also, its Calvary, not Calgary. Calgary is the place that has a shitty hockey team. The only thing they crucify there is NHL coaches.
The first was rather disappointing. The marginally philosophical aspects appeared superficial and poorly incorporated. It felt like a 3 part movie condensed into 1 movie and many of the characters were poorly developed. The aspects from the Alien's movies appeared superfluous and unnecessary. Had the movie been set in a different universe neither related or inspired by Aliens, it'd have been less jarring. The special affects were pretty and Michael Fassbender was superb. For me, despite some eye candy, the movie fell into the cliche of smart people doing stupid things with tired horror elements tacked on. It's a good movie to watch if nothing else is on and you're in the mood for Sci-Fi.
what was this movie about?
Bring back the formula of badass monster, skeleton crew of rough-around-the-edges space mercenaries/scientists/pilots, and being stuck in a remote ass end of the galaxy in deep space with no where to go and no one to hear you scream. You can see where Prometheus took a swing at the formula but struck out in epic fashion.
I'm dead serious when I say I like Resurrection better. There was never the slightest sense of the near hopeless dread and impending doom that a space horror opera should have from minute one until the monster dies.
In fact there was no fucking monster. Not even an abstract monster like in Event Horizon, or even Sphere which was underwater not even in space. Throughout the whole thing they were trying harder to inspire hope and faith in humanity than to instill a sense of dire against-all-odds urgency. The monsters were accidents, the engineer was without apparent motivation and far too humaniod. The ending was a cheap hacked up cliffhanger for Prometheus II: Cash Grab-a-Rama.
Kubrick nailed this formula better with 2001, even though that's not even really horror at all. At least he had the balls as a director to shoot significant chunks of dialog with actors inside their space suit helmets when it is obvious they should be.
They bit off too much. Trying to be something the franchise is not and ended up lacking most of the good aspects of the source and also being too limited by the source to become the artier work it aspires towards. The only thing the Alien universe really has going for it over the other examples of this sub genre was the darkly erotic and mildly disturbing Geiger-inspired art direction. Prometheus mostly came up short in that regard as well, despite the overall visual effects being generally striking.
I would definitely lick that dark haired bitch's nether regions clean, though. I'll hand it to them there.
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The only thing I've learned from this thread is that autism is a real bitch and truly is plaguing our society.
Personally, I don't tie the movie in with Christianity, sure maybe it's some sort of inspiration but Christians would never compare their religion with aliens coming from outer space and drinking magic goo to create humans or whatever bullshit some of you people are saying. There's nothing Christian about the movie. There's a difference between perhaps ripping off Christian themes and ideas and actually being Christian. I doubt this movie appeals to Christians or religious people as a whole.
With that said, I think that the movie was pretty well done. As was just said: Fassbender was good as he usually is. The effects were great due to the massive budget of the film, it looked really nice. The story had some silly parts and a lot of things didn't make any sense and weren't explained, but those things weren't nearly as bad as some of you people and those stupid youtube videos make them out to be. Oh no, the girl ran in a straight line while she was running for her life? How idiotic... Wow I can't believe what a bad movie it was, people run in straight lines lol.
The movie could have been better if they made it longer but I understand why they didn't. It was not as good as it could have been but that doesn't mean it wasn't good.
It would have been fine (hardly great, but whatever it was pretty -- that's fine) if it had just been a run of the mill space sci-fi movie. That it's associated with Aliens creates an expectation and that expectation was not met.
Oh look an alien urn! Being a trained stick-my-face-in-it-ologist at the top of my field I guess I better take my helmet off and stick my face in it.
Alien 1/2/3 didn't have to resort to people being flat out retarded in the way that this one did. We were hoping for a return to the creepy ass "I sell you rape" original Alien. What we got was Alien Vs. Predator 3 levels of scriptderping. And such PRETENTIOUS script-derping at that.
Edit: I haven't watched the 1/2/3 in years... and I'm not saying there weren't retarded plot devices there too. It's a monster movie. But from what I remember they were also stories about dumbass Space Marines and Asteroid miners. Not exactly the smartest people in the world to begin with. This one starts out with "here are some of the smartest people in the world".
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My biggest issue with the movie was all the stupid crap they did. Taking their helmets off in the alien atmosphere, finding the first piece of alien biology EVER and fucking destroying it within 10 minutes, etc, just off the top of my head. What the hell. Even the regular boring archaeologists here on earth aren't that reckless with their sites, who the hell would be that stupid with the first objective proof of alien existence to ever be found? Then there's the old dude, who has himself frozen, then decides that the best way to achieve immortality isn't to let other people go find the aliens and learn from them so the method is perfected before he unfreezes, but to walk his decrepit ass across an alien landscape the moment they find a scrap of proof that aliens even exist.
That said, I thought it had some great moments too. The robot's discussion with the archaeologist about the motivation of creation was awesome. It was just buried under all the facepalm stupidity.
And when the fuck are people in the Alien universe going to learn to not fucking trust robots?
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" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
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Its the classic problem with B horror movies and actual scary horror movies.
Are you screaming at the person to not go back into the house, or is the person doing what you would do, and still in danger?
If the character is acting dumb, then it takes you out of the scene, and makes you yell at the character and/or laugh at them. While if the character is acting intelligent, but shit is still getting worse, then it puts you on edge.
first alien biology and the blow it up.
The second is a fucking eye worm, which the guy just shrugs off. Jesus christ. If I pulled a worm out of my eye in the morning. I would be in the emergency room 10minutes later, on what is a 35minute drive.
If I pulled an ALIEN fucking worm out of my eye...
Exactly. I know that stupidity in horror movies is par for the course, but it veers too far into unbelievability when you see people who are supposed to be professionals, acting anything but.
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
I thought we already explained Holloway and the eye worm. Oh well, some people just refuse to "get it".
But you're completely right, every good sci-fi film I've ever seen is always 100% rational and scientifically sound. Like that time when Luke blew up the Death Star by lobbing 2 torpedoes into a thermal vent. Or that time on Contact when that wacky rich guy had another trillion dollar machine built in secret, just in case.
Seems like the real gripe here is a bunch of nerds wanted "Alien" all over again and got a movie about something else instead. And they're salty about it.
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its one of the good things about Sunshine. (which fails at the end unfortunately).
Constantly through the movie, the crew are doing fairly stupid things. And they get called out for it. Johnny storm is the asshole. The Vickers of that movie. Except he is completely fucking right the entire movie.
Every time he insists on doing something "by the book" and he gets ignored, it ends in tragedy for the crew. Every time they listen to him, hes right. Hes willing to sacrifice crew, etc, for the sake of the mission. But he is also absolutely correct in doing so. (in the end, even sacrificing himself for the mission)
I think Aliens vs Predator is better than this film. Seriously.
Her character was at least consistent though, unlike Prometheus's scared of dead things but wanting to pet clearly hostile snake aliens biologist.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT FUCK YOU ARAYSAR, FUCK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF HOW COMPLETE SHIT THIS FILM WAS.
Were you so fucking lazy in your writing that you didn't think the audience would care that your BIOLOGIST was afraid of dead aliens 20 minutes ago (bad enough when it happened) and now thinks a goddamn freaky ass alien snake monster is cute and cuddly? How can you be that retarded? Your fucking GEOLOGIST with the pet magic mapping toys is the one that gets lost? COULDN'T YOU AT LEAST PICK DIFFERENT FILL IN SCIENTISTS WHO AREN'T IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO YOUR PLOT DIRECTION.
FUCK SHIT PROMETHEUS CUNT CRAP BULLSHIT FUCKING GARBAGE @$!@#!@#!#!@@#!@!%!!@
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Where does space balls figure into the Aliens/Prometheus timeline? I guess Prometheus would have to take place before Space Balls pivotal diner scene, seeing as the character portrayed by actor John Hurt says "Oh no, not again!" Also why does the alien in Space Balls have the ability to sing old show tunes? Did John Hurt become a traveling minstrel man between the events of Alien & Space Balls? Well that's all for now, Prometheus sucked a dog dick.
It barely has anything to do with Alien 1/2/3, its a standalone film on the origin of humanity, not a prequel to a monster chasing people through the vents film. Just because its set in the same universe, doesnt mean that the film cant deviate from the typical Alien plotline and explore another aspect of that universe. Get over it.
the core premise of the movie is creationist. Ancient aliens spread their DNA to create sapient life on Earth. Then its full of religious undertones and symbolism, and half assed philosophical questions.
the fuck are you talking about?
when they spend half the movie talking about Christianity. yes. And the final living character, insists on going to meet her creators at the end, because of her relationship with Jesus.
Are you going to try telling me Contact wasn't an attempt to discuss Science, Aliens and God?
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I see what the problem is here. You're clearly too fucking stupid to make these nuanced distinctions.
I don't think Araysar would be so up for rustling jimmies this morning if it wasn't for his Hawks winning. You guys can all blame this on the Wild.
That is part of it. That's legit though, and it's not on the fans. Our skirts were not too short. In a way they really did sell us rape again! But it wasn't the fun kind of rape. Oh well... 9 out of 10 people agree...
They tied this into the Alien franchise for ticket sales and marketing. It as cynical and transparent as the plot. Alien V Predator really IS a better story. I don't even think that people would be pissed if the movie had gone some other way. I wouldn't be. It didn't have to be Alien 2012 necessarily. It just had to be GOOD, which this movie sadly was not. Prometheus is a mediocre amalgam at best and most of that is reliant on the strength of the visuals. It's always possible for the movie to have been worse, but I'm almost positive that given the same budget this movie would have actually been better if it was divorced from the Aliens backstory.
"Alien 4(?)" or "Alien Mother" or "How is Sigourney Weaver Not Dead Yet (Oh Wait There it Goes)" may have been disappointing. And it was disappointing. Mostly for the same reasons even -- because the horror movie seams started to show, but it was still better than Prometheus. Hell, like I said, even AvP was better. At least AvP realized it was a dumb movie and reveled in it's dumbness. This movie doesn't realize just how dumb it is.
Made a lotta money though. Maybe it's not so dumb after all.
Jar-Jar Binks is the best character in cinema. Black is White. Love is Hate. Goldstein is a liar.
I dont think they implied that there would be Xenomorphs running around chasing people, they stated it was a early prequel and that it was set in the Alien universe, that's about it. The fact that your imaginations ran rampant with the possibilities is on you, not the director and the producers.
Frankly, I wouldnt even want it to be another rehash of Alien 1/2/3. I've already seen the "alien-stalks-humans-in-enclosed-space" film enough times. I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that Scott undertook a grander question of the scope of the human existence and finally answered some of the stuff from the previous films such as the Space Jockey, etc.
woman gives herself an emergency c-section and is miraculously able to run around with staples holding her abdomen together...
then hops aboard an alien ship to confront the engineers with no means of obtaining food or water
The movie was visually stunning to watch, but totally unbelievable to the point of absurdity.
FUCKING ALIENS! But gripe about BELIEVE-ABILITY ABOUT WATER.
So lets say they added a scene of her finding a food container from the crashed ship with food and water. and someone gives some stupid one off about "FUTURE PAIN KILLERS MAKE YOU SUPERHUMAN" that makes the movie better? That fixes all the problems you have with the film and its all of a sudden a 10?
I Think Araysar is the only person making any sense.
Complaining about food is dumb and running around didn't piss me off to much. Now the scientist flipping out and running away from a 2000 year old corpse then trying to pet cobra vagina Dick was retarded along with hiding wheland for no reason
I loved this movie, i have watched it at least 5 times.
That being said there was lots of stupid parts, (my personal eyeroll was the space ship rolling) but the premises is what i love, not the details.
Sure people did stupid shit, hate to break it to you, people in general do stupid shit all the time.
I am indifferent to the rest of the Alien movies, but i really like this story, enough to have a high level of suspension of disbelief that helps me make it through the silly parts. I can see why others would not like it, and i agree with many points in this thread, but for me the total package with this type of far reaching story is exactly what i pay $10 for. (ok in this case $0)
You really cant have a movie about creation with out religious overtones. I see it as almost anti religion as the film shows us that all religion was wrong and our creation seems is driven by science, or rather the sweet spot where science might actually meet religion.
if you really did not like the movie you might enjoy Maddoxx's rip on it if you have not seen it already.
Trillion dollar space mission where the entire crew are morons. Maybe it's like Idiocracy back home on Earth and these really are the most intelligent people we can offer up, but stupid people doing stupid things is a trope I have no interest in watching any more.
I deal with an awful lot of scientists pretty regularly, genius level intelegance does not always, or even usually, translate to common sense. Just because they are the smartest people in the world doesn't mean they will know how to deal with situations outside of their expertise. I also got the impression that a mission of this scope was a pretty groundbreaking thing and that there may not have been much protocol or procedure to follow, I could be wrong, definitely dealing with alien lifeforms appears to be new and unknown.
There's a difference between intelligence and wisdom.
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