Didn't see a thread on this, but actual news today regarding the next book:
The Orion Publishing Group (UK & Commonwealth) and the Random House Publishing Group (US) are thrilled to announce the publication of the third instalment in Scott Lynch’s popular fantasy series that began with The Lies of Locke Lamora. THE REPUBLIC OF THIEVES will release on October 10, 2013 in the UK and Commonwealth and October 8, 2013 in the US
Good news everybody. I think I might have to go back and reread the first 2 again this summer. I barely remember them.
I love me some Locke Lamora. Its between Lynch and Sanderson for my favorite of the newer fantasy authors, with Abercrombie a close third.
Lynch >>>>>> Sanderson. First two Gentleman Bastards books are my favorite of all the newer fantasy out there, just amazing reads.
Sanderson is great, and wildly prolific, it's just not a fight I think I'd pick anyone over Lynch in right now based purely on how much I enjoy reading their books. If you ignore volume I'd probably got Sanderson 3rd behind Lynch and Abercrombie out of the young badasses.
edit: All just my opinion of course. Lies is one of my favorite books of all time. From a couple pages in on it never once lost my attention.
Jesus of Nazeroth, finally confirmed.
Good for Lynch, hopefully this puts his anxiety problems behind him. Easily my most anticipated novel for the rest of the year...
I'll believe it once the book is actually in print (it has been delayed too many times already).
Lies was great. Red Sails was less great, it's like there were two shorter books that got spliced together and the plot got messy requiring lots of sailing back and forth. However, the guy can write, and I love the setting he's created. I'd put Abercrombie ahead of him but not by much, and stick Patrick Rothfuss up there as well.
Lynch has been through a sort of living Hell to get this MS to publication point--I feel for him on one hand, and on the other hand I am screaming, "It's about damned time!" *lol*
Hmm I'll have to take a look, been so stuck on series by my regular rotating authors, it is time to try something else. Thanks guys.
io9 has an exclusive chapter up.
I ain't reading it, never read these things anymore. I'm gonna read the book, no need to tickle the tip before I go balls deep.
Blurb for Book 3, spoilered for those than haven't read the first two.
Three months to go. My anticipation is killing me!
Time to start reading the first two. August for LoLM, and September for RSURS.
“Men and women are made for each other, but their mutual dependence differs in degrees; man is dependent on woman through his desires; woman is dependent on man through her desires and also through her needs; he could do without her better than she can do without him. She cannot fulfill her purpose in life without his aid, without his goodwill, without his respect... Nature herself has decreed that woman, both for herself and her children, should be at the mercy of man's judgment.”
So glad he got this finished. There just isn't enough good fantasy ever out.
I can't wait for this. I loved the first two and forgot how long it's been since I read them but damn were they good. This is a first day buy for me.
REPUBLIC OF THIEVES IS ALMOST HERE!
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There is an ebook ARC available for anyone who can't wait and knows where to look...
Where would someone look if they were interested?
Going to pick up my pre-order tomorrow. I've read the leaked ARC and damn, it lived up to my expectations. But, I don't think it was good enough to excuse the five year break.
He needs to get the next one out in the next year or so if he wants to keep me as a reader.
That's fine. I understand he's been through some rough, rough shit since the last book.
He writes good stuff but don't waste my damn time if you want my loyalty and my money. Another gap longer than two years and I'm done.
Last edited by Himeo; 10-08-2013 at 02:03 AM.
His next book that is exactly as great as I hoped better be out within my arbitrary timeframe or I will punish him."
Do you see what I'm getting at here?
I'm a huge proponent of letting authors finish their own books in their own time. I absolutely HATE waiting for them, but I absolutely can't turn that in to thinking they should write faster to fit my hopes. It's a creative process, it sucks donkey dicks to be stuck waiting for it but that's just how it goes. These people are making worlds and trying to make the shit in them worth reading for hundreds of pages, they're not factory workers cranking out machine parts on a schedule.
I'm in the minority on the internet here. Anyone preaching patience would be I guess. I just hate the idea that someone making something you absolutely enjoy has to make that thing fast enough for YOU or it's worthless. You say yourself that the book lived up to your expectations, this is despite it taking so long. So what's the problem no that it's in your hands? The wait sucked, that doesn't make the product any worse. Is Dean Koontz a master because he writes 3 books a year?
I see your point, I disagree with you. The wait between books is more unpleasant than the book is enjoyable. I enjoy Lynch's writing. He's good bordering on great. But I've been burned too many times by authors taking years to write the next book.
Waiting for a good book is like living with an open wound that never stops bleeding. Fuck that noise. There are plenty of great writers out there that produce reliably. Writers don't get special treatment because their job is hard. Roofing is hard, but they still finish the job on time. What is a reasonable amount of time to write a book? A year? Do you know how much time it would take per week to write a book the length Lynch is writing? Five hours. Five fucking hours per week, and he did the equivalent of one hour per week for five years.
I love the books he writes, but don't waste my goddamn time.
Drama queen much?Waiting for a good book is like living with an open wound that never stops bleeding.
Hey look, there's the tourniquet for your horrible open wound! Read other books.There are plenty of great writers out there that produce reliably.
Seriously? You are directly comparing art to manual labor. If books were something laid out in a pre-determined fashion and all authors had to do type in the words you'd have a point. And writing would be a job held by secretaries and stenographers because they type fastest. This is fucking retarded.Writers don't get special treatment because their job is hard. Roofing is hard, but they still finish the job on time.
As long as it takes to be as good a story as possible. If your theoretical roofer is behind schedule can he just throw a few sheets of paper over the rest of the building and call it finished? Hey, the roof is worthless shit but it made your timeframe! Yay!What is a reasonable amount of time to write a book?
Again, are you sitting around counting the seconds until the next book? Do you really only follow one book series at a time? No one is wasting your time. Scott Lynch isn't at your door every day distracting you and telling you "ONE MORE DAY!".I love the books he writes, but don't waste my goddamn time.
By all means, if a long delay between books puts you off this much just step away. But don't wait for the next book, read it, declare it completely up to snuff, and then go on some entitled little faggoty rant about how it's not fast enough and the author owes you.
You're right that buying a book in a series isn't a contract forcing the author to complete the series in a reasonable amount of time. Likewise, buying one book in a series doesn't obligate me to buy the others. I do it because it provides more value than the money I spend on it. And that part of the equation, given Lynch's output, does not balance in his favor.
He's got two years, then I will.By all means, if a long delay between books puts you off this much just step away.
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What I don't understand is how the anticipation of what happens next could be so painful to you for two years and then you can just turn it off, and decide you are no longer interested.
I haven't read any of these books since the first one (which I didn't like but that isn't the point) but it didn't even end in some sort of high tilt cliff hanger, it was just sort of a normal book.
I'm firmly on Grimmlokk's side on this (as with most things it seems, not sure if that is good or bad). I hate waiting for a book to come out in a series just like everyone else does, but I can't even imagine saying I'll skip reading it because it took too long. There are even a couple of solutions that you, the reader, can employ to avoid worrying about the wait. First, simply don't read a series until it is finished. If you're that concerned about remembering what happened or keeping a certain level of excitement...just don't fucking read it until it is done. Or, do like a friend of mine does and read the wiki summary before starting the new book to refresh your memory of what happened. Or if you really loved the books that much, and it has been 5 years, re-read the previous ones when you know the new one is about to be released.
I don't have any personal stake in you waiting for his next book or not, so you can do what you want and I won't lose any sleep one way or another, but comparing writing to roofing...wow. Have you ever actually tried to write a novel? You can sit there for 5 hours a week all you want, but that doesn't mean you're going to end up with a story worth reading. Granted, not everyone can build a roof either, but for someone that can build a roof, putting in the time will definitely result in a decent roof. Putting in the time writing, even if you know how to write a book, is not guaranteed to result in a decent one. I'll name dozens of books I feel fit into that category in fact, if you want. Here, I'll give you The Desert Spear by Peter V. Brett. I loved the first book in the series. Sort of liked the second one ok. Hated the third one. He clearly knows how to write, and put the time in. Why did his book suck? Who knows, but perhaps if he'd taken another year to refine it I might have liked it. Or any of a dozen or so Stephen King books, even though I loved many of his.
See what I'm getting at? You're making writing out to be a grind, nothing more. Well, Peter V. Brett and Stephen King and tons of others are doing the grind, so I should just be happy they are putting out books even if I don't like them, right? Of course not.
I get invested in something for a short while, spend money and time enjoying it, then get bored and move on to something else.
If it takes more than two years to get the next book out I will get bored, find something else, and add this series to this list of "cool shit that's not finished yet, maybe check it out in twenty years when it's done. Maybe read it when it's done. Maybe forget all about it. I don't give a fuck." pile. Rather than the "Wow! That book was awesome! I can't wait until the next one comes out, instant purchase!" pile.
Back to the original point of the thread. Republic of Thieves is a solid read, it came out today, and you should check it out.
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Oh I agree with Vvoid and Grim that Himeo is just whining, T-Rex there made a very stupid statement though.
oderint dum metuant
Yeah, I'm whining. But Del Rey and Lynch should be listening or they don't get my money.
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm retarded. After thinking about it my position is wrong and dumb. Thanks for calling me out on it.
EDIT EDIT: Writing books and roofing do have a lot in common, though.
Last edited by Himeo; 10-09-2013 at 01:13 AM.
After thinking about it, I'm wrong. Grimmlokk has it right.
I order the e-book of this and the next day my card is on lock down due to suspicious activity because of the purchase. It was bad enough have to wait 5 years for the damn thing!
About 1/3rd through and I forgot how much I loved Lynch's dialogue. Reviews on the book have been split, but I am a huge sucker for good dialogue and can't find it in me to nitpick much when I spend so much of my time smiling while I read.
Plus we get more of kid Locke, and kid Locke is awesome.
Solid A- and better than I expected. Better than book one and two, in my opinion.
Only gripe that kept it from being even better:
Pacing issues aside, these are the only books I read with a shit-eating grin plastered on my face.
4/5th of the way through it...it has major "one story is superior" problems when it comes to the timelines (the biggest potential problem with using that structure, don't I well know it). I think if it was a tighter and shorter book it wouldn't be as bad but when it's 50 pages of teenagers breaking up revelations about Locke's origins...it's pretty annoying. Still not sure about Sabethia...I mean, she's not Denna...so there's that...
Nah, she's not Denna. She's Locke with red hair and tits.
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Red hair and tits are an awfully nice combo!
Really enjoying this book. Just makes me sad to know when I finish it I'll have to wait for more. I want more now and I'm not even half way done yet!
Finished this up not too long ago. The dialogue is what you come to expect from Lynch - you spend the majority of the book grinning like an idiot any time Locke & Jean are talking and it's leaps above any other fantasy writer on the market. With that being said, I had a few complaints:
My order for the books: 1>3>2.
While I didn't hate it, this is my least favorite of all three. Many of Voldeth's points above mirror my opinions. My biggest complaint is that almost nothing actually happened. The majority of the book was backstory, and I get that, but aside from the flashback stuff, almost nothing happened in the "present day" story outside of the beginning and the end. The entire middle 80% of that storyline was worthless other than a chapter or two (of which, hopefully none of what we were told is actually true).
Through much of the book I was also thinking to myself, "Wow, Sabetha is a cunt." (She's certainly no Boomworm, Neb.) Only at the end of each story did he make her even remotely likeable. She was sort of like, if you take a description of women from 4chan, and then make a character out of it, that's Sabetha. She's moody, illogical, vindictive, etc. And then suddenly at the end she's nice and we are supposed to like her.
Dialogue was good, Locke was ok but understandably a little too pussy-hurt due to Sabetha, Jean was severely under-utilized, story was pretty throwaway (if not downright shitty), Sabetha was mostly shitty, plot twist I really hope is not true...so for the most part, the Sanza flashbacks were the most redeeming quality.
It's not so terrible as to not be worth reading, but after the first book I still haven't been brought anywhere near back to that same level of excitement. Second book didn't thrill me, but at least shit happened and I was excited to see where the whole scheme took them. This one, there was very little interest (from me anyway) as to how each story was going to end. No big caper (unless I'm supposed to count the one at the end of the flashback story), no narrow escapes, no convoluted revenge, etc.
Only thing of significance that happened,
My grade in order of the books would be A+, B-, C-. Certainly not as bad as, say, The Devil's Spear, but a disappointment after the awesome first book all the same.
My guess is that he had a theme for each book plotted out in advance, I'm assuming each book will cover a different city and focus on a different aspect of criminality and a different aspect of politics, the first book was revenge, and the mafia vs the secret police, The 2nd book covered gambling, piracy, and merchants vs nobles. I'm not finished with the third book, only halfway through, so I can't go into detail and I'm avoiding spoilers, but it seems much more focused on democracy (the mages voting amongst themselves) but also election rigging.
So I finished the book, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Scott Lynch writes the best endings.Spoiler:
Boomworm is as amazing as Denna is terrible, I'll agree on that point. But I think that Sabetha is written more like how a "realistic" relationship goes, I mean... and I'm not trying to be misogynistic, but golly, a lot of women actually are moody, illogical, and vindictive... and teenage Sabetha was even "more realistic" in so far as Locke was being a terrible whiny moody passive "good guy".. I mean classic forehead kisses, GTBYHT worthy cringe... and even though Sabetha actually likes him, he's too much of a pussy around her most of the time, which is where most of his troubles with her begin and end.
read all 3 books the past few weeks, based on seeing this thread and some stuff on reddit. Interesting stuff, I really liked how the series started and the world Lynch built. The characters were a bit more mixed, they have all sort of become one dimensional and predictable, but what they do and how were fun to read the whole time. I am pretty fascinated by the ancient race that built all their stuff, and the hints the Bondsmagi dropped as to what may have happened and what may happen. I can't believe there are still 4 more books planned, and was sad to hear the last book got delayed so long because the author got divorced and fell into depression, especially when you read the last page where he dedicates the book to his wife
In many ways the book reminded me of a sort of "less depressing/hardcore" version of The Black Company books, but I really liked the thief/conman aspects of this series. I hope Lynch has his life back on track and can finish the series. I think if you liked this show the UK TV show Hustle would be good to watch, sort of a modern day version of a similar story.
So I was reading the Lynch thread over at Westeros and Adam Whitehead of Wertzone gave some inside info about this series I thought might interest people:
ANDit's worth remembering that Lynch originally planned for The Thorn of Emberlain to be the first book in the series, and the first three books are therefore extended backstory he wrote to put the 'main' series (which will now be Books 4-7) in a better context. On that basis, I assume the plot revelations from #3 were always intended to be part of the background material for the series overall
ANDAFAIK, Scott actually partially wrote ToE before deciding to do the backstory, and then wrote a very large chunk of the final version whilst editing Republic of Thieves, so I wouldn't be surprised if we got it relatively quickly. I wouldn't be too surprised if the books afterwards fell back to a novel every 18 months or so, all assuming, of course, that Scott's illness does not recur.
Yeah, the plan is that the first 7-book series is about Locke (hence why it's called The Gentleman Bastard, singular) and the sequel will be about something else, but 20-odd years later. Scott hasn't said - fairly obviously - if Locke will be involved in the later books. However, I think it's also unclear how much time the first series by itself will span.
I don't know how anyone would have even known that unless he says it on his website or something, and fuck if I'm going to analyze an author's website just to catch something like that.
He may have planned it this way all along, but he certainly hasn't been spreading the whole "Bastard" singular thing all over the place for us to pick up on. I'm sure someone will point to a reference somewhere that I'm not aware of, but from just reading the damn books this whole "plan" could have hatched after the first couple sold well too.
Well now that I'm looking for it I see that's how the series is titled on Goodreads and Wiki, both places I have absolutely looked it up before and seen the titles. It's just something that I never even thought of. He hasn't put it in our faces, I agree. It's just crazy to me that this is a series I've been reading and loving for a few years now and I never noticed that small detail.
Sounds like Lynch is comfortable now and writing his ass off.
Scott Lynchs Fourth Gentleman Bastard book coming in 2014! | Fantasy Faction
Just purchased The Lies of Locke Lamora based on this thread.
Did anyone else find the last book entirely boring? For me I've been sitting at 80-90% for weeks and have had no drive to finish it.
Large sections of the book are self indulgent on the part of the author: magi council meeting (no one watches C-SPAN, why would we want to read a fake version) and the play stand out in particular. Quite a bit of the plot felt like deja vu, was there a novella or prequel?
Yeah, I felt that way too. In my summary a page or so back I complained that almost nothing actually happened in the book beyond the possible "reveal" about Locke's past. I didn't care about the climax of either storyline, and nothing even remotely amazing happened along the way to excite me either. And the new character, Sabetha, was despised by me for a good portion of the book. That could be on purpose though, so I won't hold that against him. It could very well be a lesson on how badly we put people on a pedestal that don't deserve it, or some really deep shit like that.
Taken in relation to other books I've read, it still wasn't bad. In relation to the first two, it was subpar. In a vacuum, I'd have probably wondered what all the fuss was about.
Pretty much all that. The dialogue was still mostly great, but even that was dragged down by Sabetha. I didn't hate her though, but she was a bit of an embodiment of the generic "women are confusing/unreasonable" trope. Locke is trying his hardest to be what she wants and she's pissed at him for nothing(oh the others follow him, FUCK YOU LOCKE!). We get all his thoughts and all we get from her is the outbursts and shit and it gets old real fast. It's not totally unrealistic, it's just a bit obnoxious to read.
It also didn't help that there was no real caper this time and zero flair in carrying out their mission. Both sides were handed a legion of fairly loyal brainwashed zombies to do what amounted to frat house pranks on each other... there is not much fun to be had in a scenario like that. Additionally; Sabetha was horrid, the playhouse storyline amounted to not much more than padding, and Locke/Sabetha's susceptibility to Patience's emotional manipulation was bizarre and unbelievable (Lets believe the Bondsmagi! Whats not to trust? eh?) even if it turns out to be true.
The only thing that caught my interest was the Falconer's PoV, it's a shame that the rest of the book was fluff more or less. Any interest that I might have once had in Locke's love interest, which unfortunately dominates the book, was completely eradicated after his first few interactions with the shrew in question.
Last edited by Gask; 12-18-2013 at 10:08 PM.
Just finished a full reread and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Granted book 3 was the weakest in terms of raw story and plot but I had read the interview about books 4-7 being the main story beforehand so I wasn't really surprised that book 3 was much more of a scene setter than the other 2. It was still good i thought, lots of back story revealed and I really enjoy Lynch's writing style which kept me going to the end.
Here's hoping that now the back story is done the rest of the tale is written and printed at a non martin-esque pace
Still not believing that the next book will be out in 2014. Am I the only one that as I get older only wants to read finished series?
I hope it is 2014, but yes the older cynic part of me doesn't believe that. As much as I'd like authors in general to take their time and "do it right" more and more I'm thinking there is a fine line between pushing it out soon rather than waiting (for whatever the case may be; editing, problems, delays, etc...). The longer it takes to publish the more expectations go up until finally it is just frustration and then I'm more or less underwhelmed by the results. And I just described a problem related to any entertainment medium.
I liked Republic enough, but like others have said overall it was just meh. The filler plot was entirely too long and drawn out. Sabetha was annoying at best (and really bordered on the realm of a damn Kvothe vs. Denna dynamic). And the main plot was hollow. Really hate being such a downer about it...
Pussy bitch Draegan sold us out to MMORPG.com
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Oh and sorta fuck Tuco too.
Waiting sucks but all the theory crafting and expectation is tons of fun. It also builds community in the fanbase, I had tons of fun on the old wotmania site as a teenager discovering the internet. I think what I miss most as I get older is actually that joy I had as a teenager of finding all these huge fantasy series with 5+ books in them that you could just devour one after another. Nowadays I'm attacking everything as it comes out in hope of reading something "new".
So book 4 in early 2015 probably.As to the second question, I do not generally comment on my progress in public, but THORN is very deeply underway and is, especially compared to its immediate predecessor, going to cross the finish line only a bit later than I’d hoped.
And another push back to late 2015.Anonymous said: You said in an interview a while back that "Thorn of Emberlain" would be out in 2014, is that still true?
No. My past self was brimming with optimism. It was going to be damn close, but I just couldn’t pull it off. The good news is there will be a) still no more fucking 6-year gaps, and b) several major goodies to announce between now and its actual release date, mid-to-late 2015
Multiple sites showing a September 2015 release date. Going to do some digging and see if that's still on.
Damn that reminds me I still need to read the previous book.
The Cliff Notes leaked: build up, build up, build up, build up, hasty resolution.
Wait, are those the cliff notes for Book 1, 2, 3, or 4?
The Thorne of Emberlain was due to be released September 17th, but it's unfortunately been pushed back to 2016, due to Scott Lynch's poor health.
The Lynch of Locke Lamora - Thorn of Emberlain Schedule Shift
I'm sure plenty of people will bitch but anxiety that bad really is crippling. I hope for his own health he can get that under control. He's not a gigantic behemoth like some authors are so I'm not too concerned with him dying before he writes more books.
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