The first thing you need to know is to not make Deadwood threads that get people hopes up that Deadwood is coming back
Since I signed on for HBOGO to watch Game of Thrones, I noticed Deadwood was on it, which I always wanted to watch but never did.
Anything I should be aware of before watching? Like a weird order I should watch them in or anything?
Last edited by Zhaun; 03-13-2013 at 05:54 AM.
The first thing you need to know is to not make Deadwood threads that get people hopes up that Deadwood is coming back
Sorry! Will try to fix!
I don't think Deadwood lives up to the hype. I just finished it within the past couple months but it took me around six months to finish the show even though it's only three seasons. If there are no other shows on your radar and you're looking to watch something new, I'd give it a go. But it's not going to live up to Boardwalk Empire/Game of Thrones/The Wire/Breaking Bad/Mad Men standards. Many reviews indicate that it's worthy of that level, but I disagree.
Swearengen is a great fucking character though.
Last edited by Alex; 03-13-2013 at 06:33 AM.
Deadwood for me is the hands down best series ive ever seen. So many interesting characters, so much subtle nuance mixed with blunt force trauma. Many excellent sub-plots. Yeah, the dialogue is filthy but it is also excellent.
Like others may have mentioned the series was never really ended properly. The HBO beancounters convinced the brass that while the show was the 2nd most loved/popular HBO show ever (at that time at least, behind The Sopranos), HBO would make more money if they didn't renew the actors' contracts (to keep them from making movie deals or other show contracts in the offseason). Sadly, this effectively killed the show before it was meant to be over. Still a great 3 seasons though.
The show they replaced it with was 'John from Cincinati' or some such horseshit that no one watched.
Like for example, BB/Mad Men/Boardwalk/Wire, all have great crescendos to their seasons (Usually) where the earlier episodes, which had some slow pacing, pay off in big ways--and it makes the whole season just better. A bunch of story-lines will intersect, and things become clearer or said culmination rounds everything out and you look back and say "That season was great" (The Wire personifies this, it doesn't hit you how good it is, until you get through a whole season.)--but the reality is, it was great because it was complete, some of the individual episodes though were akin to eating your vegetables to get to the better part of the meal (Lots of people give up on BB in season 1, for example--or the Wire after the first few episodes, it's only after say, they see Kima get shot, or see Walter White drop the "stay out of my territory" line that those "slow burn" episodes pay off in an elegant, amazing way.)
Deadwood doesn't really have those crescendos--it does "kind of" build to the finale, but not nearly as much. However, there also doesn't ever really feel like a "build up" episode...There aren't very many episodes just dedicated to laying work for the story--each episode is a rich story in and of itself, that ALSO lays some work for the rest of the season (Not saying it's episodic). Which, might make it's overall story less "epic", but man, each episode is great--and for me, I really enjoy that in a show, when I don't feel like an episode (Or sometimes whole seasons) was just a building block. Don't get me wrong, shows with those building blocks pay off with splooge worthy ends, that color my whole perspective on the show and make it great but it's great in a different way, and Deadwood really deserves some credit for how even and full it is.
Last edited by Lithose; 03-13-2013 at 10:53 AM.
What Lithose said, couldn't have said it better myself.
Basically, people that don't acknowledge Deadwood as one of the pinnacles of television suck cock by choice!
It doesn't have any build up episodes?
To give a counter example, Luciano's and Al Capone's stories ALSO affect Nucky, but they are being told for resolutions in their own right, too--that's the difference. They aren't purely slaves to the main story, that if the main character didn't exist, we'd instantly stop caring about them at all. Even if Nucky died and we never saw Jersey again, Capone and Luciano's stories would be good enough in their own right for us to continue watching. However, many stories in these shows, are NOT like that, they are simply there to pad the protagonist and if it wasn't for that interaction, they'd be completely useless.
This typically does not happen in Deadwood (can only think of a few examples), and when it does, each character is so interesting and engaging, that everything else in the scene can easily distract you from it. Like for example...
That said..Even if Al/Seth's reactions didn't exist, Hearst's stories would still be important in their own right. That's the difference. Would anything Skylar did in BB be ANYTHING but banal if it wasn't for how Walt would react? No, Skylar's story would be essentially Desperate Housewives, Arizona edition. But I'd watch all of Hearsts scenes even if I never got the "pay off" of Al's reaction, they were just great in their own right.
Also, hah--sorry man, if you're saying Deadwood is a "slow burn", you may just be too out of touch to reason with. If you look up slow burn, under opposites it would have Rome and Deadwood.
Last edited by Lithose; 03-13-2013 at 04:34 PM.
RIP The greatest western ever made..movie, tv, or otherwise.
The cancellation of this show still hurts me.
Deadwood is the last show I can think of where I intentionally sat aside time to make sure and watch every episode during it's first airing. There's nothing special to know before watching it, except maybe to prepare for the hair about to grow on your chest finally.
Also, better have my fucking syrup.
Absolutely love this show. One of my alltime favorites.
I have no idea how you can say that I seriously don't. Seasons 1 and 2 of Deadwood so far outpaces Mad Men/Boardwalk/Breaking Bad that you should feel bad for even making the comparison. Arguably Season 3 goes down hill some in my opinion but Al's interactions with the "Chief" in the 3rd season are fantastic. I love Brad Dourif in Deadwood as well. The best part of Deadwood to me is that it got the drama/action/comedy mix ratio right. It's not 90% drama like half the shows you list. I couldn't even get past season 2 of Breaking Bad with all the goddamn whining going on. Fuck that show is overrated as hell.Originally Posted by Alex
I know my opinion is massively unpopular. There were just a good number of characters that pissed me the fuck off. I wish Joanie Stubbs and Jane got 1/8 the screen time. Bullock started to piss me off as the show went on too. My feelings on Deadwood are similar to that of Bob Dylan in the music genre. Overwhelming critical acclaim and highly respected, but I don't get it.
Deadwood is fantastic. Listen to the 20 people here that back up and claim and not the one person that didn't like it.
I love the show and I rewatch it probably more than any other series. There are a couple story lines in season 3 that are kind of filler, but they're minor.
I also think Hearst might be the greatest antagonist in TV history. As far as just the level of pure hatred you as the audience can feel for one character. When that actor popped up in House of Cards or just recently in Southland I wanted to punch the television out of pure vitriol. I need to rewatch Jericho to see if that character gets ruined for me too as a result.
I don't even mind the blue balls ending to the series now. It sucked when the show was airing and then learning it got canned, but on rewatches it feels kind of refreshing to me. Sort of similar to how The Sopranos ends but in a less pretentious way.
I've never seen Milch fully explain it, but apparently he had bigger aspirations for the whole Chez Ami plot. Wolcott doing what he did causes the Chez Ami to shut down, and then the actors take it over, and the actors somehow swindle/plot against Hearst. You only get to see a small bit of their plan coming into reality at the end of S3, and I could never figure out where the hell that was supposed to go, but somewhere to Hearst's detriment I assume.
Joanie Stubbs would have been 100x more interesting if she flashed her tits at least once. A whore on an HBO show that doesn't show titty...
HBO should have an unwritten rule that prevents that from happening. Usually I'm the first to bitch about how HBO shows go way too far to show a ton of tits at the expense of the story but this character was a whore and tits are required to be shown!
Last edited by Araxen; 03-14-2013 at 09:48 PM.
HBO is no where near as bad as Cinemax in forcing titties to be shown.
Showtime, also. Only reason I keep watching Homeland is the off chance that Brodie's wife will be naked again.
I agree there is probably more boobs than needed, but it doesn't seem too bad yet. Only made it a few episodes in though.
At least they're willing to show guys running around with their cocks out as well, so it is just a general "let nekkid people be nekkid" rather than just "lets show more bewbies!"
I've seen way more cum on HBO shit than Cinemax/Showtime. Girls had a full on cum shot Sunday. No excuses that prude whore never flashed her cans.
Ban Alex for terrible opinions.
I love Deadwood, my favorite show ever. I've seen all 3 seasons in order 4+ times, and I re-watch them every year or two. The writing and dialog is so god damn great and the actors are outstanding. Justified is a great show in it's own right, but even if it wasn't I would watch it just for the nostalgia of the several Deadwood actors in it.
Can't ban Alex because you would have to ban Astrocreep too.
Stop. Tarrant will go on a power trip ban spree.
Jesus H Fucking Christ. Comparing an average show like Mad Men to.. to... Deadwood? Get the fuck out of this existence. Don Draper could not fucking hold Al's dick with both hands.
Alex, you're a fucking moron.
Did Dumar just call someone a fucking moron?
Shit just got real, yo.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn - In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming
"That is not dead which can Eternal lie, and with strange Eons even death may die" - H. P. Lovecraft
If Deadwood focused on Al I would like it far more. But Deadwood doesn't really have a main character and a lot of the other people they focus on I never really cared for - Bullock, Jane, Joanie, everyone who hung out at the bar where Wild Bill was killed.
One of my biggest beefs with the show is how it ended. The last three episodes of the third season are tight and shit starts escalating quickly and then...nothing.
I mean...it wasn't supposed to end that way. I've come to enjoy that blue balls feeling at the end of season 3 but I, like many, was pretty upset when we learned the show was being cancelled.
Given that at the time there was supposed to be a 4th season coming, how were they supposed to end 3? Hearst burns Deadwood to the ground? Seth or Cy kills George as he's leaving...leading to the same result? You can't really continue the story line there without letting Hearst just leave camp peacefully.
Had the plan been for just three seasons all along we probably would have gotten something different. That said, I like the build to nothing after the fact.
The show ended that way because of money reasons. It wasn't finished yet.
I don't feel like dredging up the links but there are some interesting interviews with both Ian McShane and the guy that played Dan, Al's right hand man, where they talk about how HBO fucked em and lied to them and how much they resent HBO for ending it like that.
Mad Men at its best is average. Nothing wrong with liking it but there is absolutely nothing beyond it's initial premise to distinguish it from any other drama...aside from Christina Hendricks.Originally Posted by Alex
All the familiar period shows - Deadwood, Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos, Borgias, Wire, Rome, Tudors, Mad Men, Spartacus, Downton Abbey, etc - are more or less great, with a few bad episodes but mostly riveting television. Some people are going to like the more gangster/action/sex shows, some people are going to like the more soap opera/romanticized/thoughtful shows. Its pretty silly to really rank them, since it will vary greatly with what is going on with your own life. I found Mad Men insanely boring when it first aired, but now that I am older and have kids I really appreciate it a lot more, a lot of the slow scenes really make me think. I probably would like Sopranos more if I rewatched it now, I hated all that emo shit that started around season 5 when it first aired.
fuck I'm getting old
You're a cocksucker, you have always been a cocksucker, you will always be a cocksucker.Originally Posted by Chaos
Actually you can't. Because Mad Men is boring as shit compared to any above average show. You can't even compare it to Deadwood.
I like this show. But much like Game of Thrones, I know certain people are going to die and I can sense certain horrible things happening, and the dread of every time ... welp, it just happened, so I guess I can worry a bit less.
I sent the DVDs to my brother and his wife refused to continue watching the show for a while at the end of S1 because she couldn't stand to see the preacher die. She eventually did watch it though and finished out the series.
Yeah I'm on my fourth viewing right now and this show is still invincible. Every character on it is gold. You're just a simpleton if you don't like it, sorry.
I have to agree. I origionally wanted to watch just due to liking westerns but this really is a whole level above the majority of TV.
I enjoyed Deadwood just like everyone else here it seems.
Whilst the last season didn't end very well at all, on reflection I thought it should of been a three season show. S01 The establishment of the town, S02 The huge gold rush and then the last season the gold runs dry and all the empires are for naught.
I would hate to have a series like that just continue and continue like so many do until it becomes a mercy that they take the show off air.
such a great show, watched it 3 times already, too bad they didnt finish it.
i guess without this show i would have never watched justified ... olyphant FTW.
Don't forget Commissioner Jarry.
Dan Dority was around in an earlier season for an episode as well.
Ian MacShane would be the dream addition even if it's just a short cameo. Michael Ironside was prepared to do a 60 second spot in it so why not. Final season MacShane appearance, make it happen Justified showrunners!
Started watching this again from episode 1 last night because of this thread. This show is the fucking tits.
Finished season 1.
Terrific show. Al Swearington is like, the Avatar of Getting Shit Done. The doctor is a fantastic "fuck you, I'm trying to help people!", then Bullock beating the hell out of whatshername's dad was terrific. I am really sad that Jane left though, please tell me she comes back!
This is just fantastic proof of what you get when you write deep, complex characters and kind of "let them go" I think. This is what a lot of shows miss.
He is awesome. I also can't help but think Wu speaks perfect English.
When you see that actor in other roles it will blow your mind. Or it does me. I keep waiting for him to yell "SWEARGEN! COCKSUCKAS! WU!"
I find Bullock, and now his wife as well seem to react poorly to Christian ministers, know little of the bible and so on. Am I seeing things or making it up in my head or is this "A Thing"?
I'm one episode short of the end of Season 2 and haven't picked up on why this is so yet. Is it because he is Canadian?
To be fair, how many people 150 years ago didn't know the bible well? It's only very recently that has changed.
I think that Bullock just has a low tolerance for nonsense, and the S1 minister was a fountain of nonsense. Martha is a wreck over her son and reacting poorly to everyone, not just the minister.
Like I said, could be imagining it. After 2 seasons in and they gave no direct explanation, there is nothing to it.
Though yes, Bullock is just intolerant of everyone.
Just finished the show.
Absolutely amazing show, beyond my expectations.
The end was such utter shit I want to murder someone.
The more recent behind the scenes stuff I have read suggests that they never really planned on doing movies or whatever, they knew the series would be ending and so they reshot that last scene to substitute for an ending. HBO immediately rolled up the sets and shit and all the movie stuff was just rumors.
Wasn't it mid-third season HBO decided not to continue into the fourth?
Its one thing having the main plot come to this huge boil and then... NOTHING HAPPEN! But all these little plots of all these individual characters who you have followed and fell in love with go unresolved is just horrible sinful and should be punished.
I think that is what bothers me the most: The only characters that got resolution were the ones who died. FUCK YOU!
Yeah, season 3 was supposed to lead to the omgwtf blowup in season 4. It would have been goddamn epic. But once they got the word that HBO was not renewing (apparently they knew pretty early in) they redid the last scene to serve as a stopping point.
The funny thing is that apparently Deadwood was getting way better ratings than any of their shows now get. The problem was they were comparing it to the Sopranos ratings, which it was actually on par with, but it was more expensive and the execs at HBO just didn't like the show. So it gets canceled while Arliss went on for 132 seasons.
Last edited by chaos; 04-10-2013 at 11:39 PM.
I can't help but think, in hindsight, especially of Game of Thrones* now, HBO can't help but kick themselves for not paying another season or two they needed.
(*I can't help comparing the two a bit, maybe because I watched them close together, maybe because I feel they are similar due to ensemble cast, boobs, cursing, violence, etc.)
There is no doubt that HBO is a different network than the one that cancelled Rome and Deadwood, both of which they pretty openly admit were mistakes.
Then again, they did cancel Luck. That still makes me angry.
Luck was worse than John From Cincinnati.
I never watched Luck. But John From Cincinatti was goddamn awful. Just awful. When Luke Perry is the best actor on your show, something is amiss.
My understanding is that they were taking great care of the horses, they were just old horses and more prone to injury.
As for Rome--Rome's sets burned down after they cancelled. The reason they cancelled is because the BBC didn't want to renew their funding and between Rome, Sopranos and Deadwood, HBO couldn't keep all three and since Rome was by far the most expensive, it got the axe. Set burned down later which killed any hope of a movie ect.
Cancelled shows hmm... Luck and Kings being cancelled hurt. I understand why they were each cancelled but still, Luck especially would've been awesome next season and after I'm sure.
JohnFC was sadly part of the reason the Deadwood main man didn't fight his corner very hard as he was already starting to focus in on that. As far as the actors knew the movies were a possibility but it was always going to be a long shot, as soon as a cast like that breaks up getting them all together again at the same time is hella hard. Then once they had broken up the sets (they didn't do it straight away which gave some hope) everyone knew it was unofficially dead even if HBO have never admitted as such.
Olyphant says the cancellation came out of the blue, he had literally just bought a house and got the phone call a few days later. He laughingly admits that is why he made Hitman, they offered him it and a ridiculous salary very soon after the word about Deadwood got out and he took it to pay off his mortgage.
So I'm rewatching S1 during the holiday TV lull and I got to thinking that Flora (the girl that Dan falls in love with before she gets her brains mashed in by Tolliver for stealing) was a good actress and really pretty and I wonder what ever happened to her so I go to IMDB and it's fucking Kristen Bell! Maybe this is not news to anyone but me but I don't know how I didn't put that together as many times as I have watched this show. I guess I just couldn't recognize her as a curly haired brunette.
BTW Deadwood holds up X1000. The writing in S1 is so goddamn good.
Its really one of the only series I go back and watch past two times. It doesn't get old.
I never did watch the final episode. I did not want to see major hearst win any [b]harder[\b]. It just made me sad.
I saw an interview a while back with the guy they brought back from s1 to play the rapey serial killery assistant in s2. It made me laugh when he said he couldn't believe they let him do that shit either, and he wasn't such an idiot to say no when it was offered... But he did at least ask them if they thought it was kinda weird. Apparently the answer was, "whatever". Lol. He was pretty good though. But that part of it was just weird for tv. A couple of stage actors on that show I think.
hah just to continue piling on his work...he also played the main terminator in the Sarah Connor Chronicles. This thread is gonna make me binge watch this show again gd it.
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