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    Deadwood (Seasons 1-3)

    Since I signed on for HBOGO to watch Game of Thrones, I noticed Deadwood was on it, which I always wanted to watch but never did.

    Anything I should be aware of before watching? Like a weird order I should watch them in or anything?
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    The first thing you need to know is to not make Deadwood threads that get people hopes up that Deadwood is coming back

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    Sorry! Will try to fix!

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    I don't think Deadwood lives up to the hype. I just finished it within the past couple months but it took me around six months to finish the show even though it's only three seasons. If there are no other shows on your radar and you're looking to watch something new, I'd give it a go. But it's not going to live up to Boardwalk Empire/Game of Thrones/The Wire/Breaking Bad/Mad Men standards. Many reviews indicate that it's worthy of that level, but I disagree.

    Swearengen is a great fucking character though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    I don't think Deadwood lives up to the hype. I just finished it within the past couple months but it took me around six months to finish the show even though it's only three seasons. If there are no other shows on your radar and you're looking to watch something new, I'd give it a go. But it's not going to live up to Boardwalk Empire/Game of Thrones/The Wire/Breaking Bad/Mad Men standards. Many reviews indicate that it's worthy of that level, but I disagree.

    Swearengen is a great fucking character though.
    Not all of the main actors are up to par with Al's quality and range, it hurts the show sometimes. Apart from that HBO shot themselves in the foot when they seemingly let the writers have a contest to see how many expletives they could cram into each episode in the shows run. I am sure that a great number of people who would have otherwise watched and enjoyed the program did not because they found the use of language irritating or just tiresome. The story itself, when things didn't completely revolve around Seth anyway, was quite enjoyable for me and brought that period of time to life in a way that was rather memorable.

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    Deadwood for me is the hands down best series ive ever seen. So many interesting characters, so much subtle nuance mixed with blunt force trauma. Many excellent sub-plots. Yeah, the dialogue is filthy but it is also excellent.

    Like others may have mentioned the series was never really ended properly. The HBO beancounters convinced the brass that while the show was the 2nd most loved/popular HBO show ever (at that time at least, behind The Sopranos), HBO would make more money if they didn't renew the actors' contracts (to keep them from making movie deals or other show contracts in the offseason). Sadly, this effectively killed the show before it was meant to be over. Still a great 3 seasons though.

    The show they replaced it with was 'John from Cincinati' or some such horseshit that no one watched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    But it's not going to live up to Boardwalk Empire/Game of Thrones/The Wire/Breaking Bad/Mad Men standards. Many reviews indicate that it's worthy of that level, but I disagree.

    Swearengen is a great fucking character though.
    I think you're absolutely crazy. There are certain episodes of those shows that are superior but Deadwood is one of those few shows that EVERY episode is great--while it might never hit the highs of those shows, it never hits their lows, either (BB Season 1 or any episode with Skylar in it a lot, Boardwalk's slowest of the slow burn mid-seasons, Mad Men Betty-Don-emo parties.) The characters and dialogue in Deadwood is always so colorful and so engaging I honestly can't think of any time that I was thinking "god, can we get back to X storyline?" It's that aspect, of almost nothing being "weak" in the show, that makes it amazing.

    Like for example, BB/Mad Men/Boardwalk/Wire, all have great crescendos to their seasons (Usually) where the earlier episodes, which had some slow pacing, pay off in big ways--and it makes the whole season just better. A bunch of story-lines will intersect, and things become clearer or said culmination rounds everything out and you look back and say "That season was great" (The Wire personifies this, it doesn't hit you how good it is, until you get through a whole season.)--but the reality is, it was great because it was complete, some of the individual episodes though were akin to eating your vegetables to get to the better part of the meal (Lots of people give up on BB in season 1, for example--or the Wire after the first few episodes, it's only after say, they see Kima get shot, or see Walter White drop the "stay out of my territory" line that those "slow burn" episodes pay off in an elegant, amazing way.)

    Deadwood doesn't really have those crescendos--it does "kind of" build to the finale, but not nearly as much. However, there also doesn't ever really feel like a "build up" episode...There aren't very many episodes just dedicated to laying work for the story--each episode is a rich story in and of itself, that ALSO lays some work for the rest of the season (Not saying it's episodic). Which, might make it's overall story less "epic", but man, each episode is great--and for me, I really enjoy that in a show, when I don't feel like an episode (Or sometimes whole seasons) was just a building block. Don't get me wrong, shows with those building blocks pay off with splooge worthy ends, that color my whole perspective on the show and make it great but it's great in a different way, and Deadwood really deserves some credit for how even and full it is.
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    What Lithose said, couldn't have said it better myself.

    Basically, people that don't acknowledge Deadwood as one of the pinnacles of television suck cock by choice!

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    It doesn't have any build up episodes?

    Spoiler: 
    Everything that had to do with the elections and Hearst attempting to take control of the town was a slow ass build up. One whole episode would be about people talking about what they're going to run for and some dude who has a hard on for being a firefighter saying he should be fire marshal. Another episode would have Hearst writing a letter to get sent out. Al intercepting that letter and getting pissed and then the letter goes out. This show is the pinnacle of slow burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaun View Post
    Since I signed on for HBOGO to watch Game of Thrones, I noticed Deadwood was on it, which I always wanted to watch but never did.

    Anything I should be aware of before watching? Like a weird order I should watch them in or anything?
    Never watched Game of Thrones? Never watched Deadwood? What else haven't you seen, have you purposely been avoiding the best TV shows of the past decade?

    In a way I envy you. I wish I could watch all of these great shows again for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    It doesn't have any build up episodes?

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    Everything that had to do with the elections and Hearst attempting to take control of the town was a slow ass build up. One whole episode would be about people talking about what they're going to run for and some dude who has a hard on for being a firefighter saying he should be fire marshal. Another episode would have Hearst writing a letter to get sent out. Al intercepting that letter and getting pissed and then the letter goes out. This show is the pinnacle of slow burn.
    You're describing small parts of episodes that were catalysts for future stories. But each episode also had it's own flair that didn't leave you thinking "wow, can't wait to see the conclusion of THIS" but instead said "oh, we're back to this character, good."--It's very different. How many times in Boardwalk, or BB, does the series go off on a tangent character, meant to explain some conclusion or aspect of the main story, but is, in itself, a story "dead end" (And very boring), is not meant to build the current character into a new story but provide backdrop for the main character/story to be resolved in the conclusion--I give you, Skylar flirting with her boss while pregnant for BB, or Margaret's affair on Boardwalk. (Both ultimately done to show some more depth of the protagonist when they learn, and deal with, of the new plot in their own story's crescendo.)

    To give a counter example, Luciano's and Al Capone's stories ALSO affect Nucky, but they are being told for resolutions in their own right, too--that's the difference. They aren't purely slaves to the main story, that if the main character didn't exist, we'd instantly stop caring about them at all. Even if Nucky died and we never saw Jersey again, Capone and Luciano's stories would be good enough in their own right for us to continue watching. However, many stories in these shows, are NOT like that, they are simply there to pad the protagonist and if it wasn't for that interaction, they'd be completely useless.

    This typically does not happen in Deadwood (can only think of a few examples), and when it does, each character is so interesting and engaging, that everything else in the scene can easily distract you from it. Like for example...

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    When Hearst was scheming for the town--he was also actively engaged in several other plots that filled up his scenes. It wasn't JUST about rigging elections, it was also about fucking over Al, asserting his dominance over his henchmen, harassing his cook ect. His plots were not just something that propelled the other characters forward--it also explained him, made him an important character that was interesting, dynamic and had tons of little sub stories we ended up caring about and watching their conclusions play out during the actual build up--like again, when he's taking over the town, each episode you see how he attempts to break another individual, one episode it's Farnum (Mayor), another it's the news paper guy and another is Tolliver--each episode ALSO has it's own plot, that is resolved at the end of that episode in it's own build up.




    That said..Even if Al/Seth's reactions didn't exist, Hearst's stories would still be important in their own right. That's the difference. Would anything Skylar did in BB be ANYTHING but banal if it wasn't for how Walt would react? No, Skylar's story would be essentially Desperate Housewives, Arizona edition. But I'd watch all of Hearsts scenes even if I never got the "pay off" of Al's reaction, they were just great in their own right.

    Also, hah--sorry man, if you're saying Deadwood is a "slow burn", you may just be too out of touch to reason with. If you look up slow burn, under opposites it would have Rome and Deadwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaun View Post
    Since I signed on for HBOGO to watch Game of Thrones, I noticed Deadwood was on it, which I always wanted to watch but never did.

    Anything I should be aware of before watching? Like a weird order I should watch them in or anything?
    Also...The Wire is on there...So is The Sopranos and Rome....No idea if you missed these shows as well, but they are all in the same league. You won't be disappointed with any of them if you enjoy GoT.

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    RIP The greatest western ever made..movie, tv, or otherwise.

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    The cancellation of this show still hurts me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsBehavn View Post
    The cancellation of this show still hurts me.
    I remember how disappointed I was when I got to the end and found out that that was it... I also remember the excitement and false hope when HBO started rumoring about a Deadwood film to wrap the series up a few years ago... cocksuckers.

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    Deadwood is the last show I can think of where I intentionally sat aside time to make sure and watch every episode during it's first airing. There's nothing special to know before watching it, except maybe to prepare for the hair about to grow on your chest finally.

    Also, better have my fucking syrup.

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    Absolutely love this show. One of my alltime favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    I don't think Deadwood lives up to the hype. I just finished it within the past couple months but it took me around six months to finish the show even though it's only three seasons. If there are no other shows on your radar and you're looking to watch something new, I'd give it a go. But it's not going to live up to Boardwalk Empire/Game of Thrones/The Wire/Breaking Bad/Mad Men standards.
    I have no idea how you can say that I seriously don't. Seasons 1 and 2 of Deadwood so far outpaces Mad Men/Boardwalk/Breaking Bad that you should feel bad for even making the comparison. Arguably Season 3 goes down hill some in my opinion but Al's interactions with the "Chief" in the 3rd season are fantastic. I love Brad Dourif in Deadwood as well. The best part of Deadwood to me is that it got the drama/action/comedy mix ratio right. It's not 90% drama like half the shows you list. I couldn't even get past season 2 of Breaking Bad with all the goddamn whining going on. Fuck that show is overrated as hell.

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    I know my opinion is massively unpopular. There were just a good number of characters that pissed me the fuck off. I wish Joanie Stubbs and Jane got 1/8 the screen time. Bullock started to piss me off as the show went on too. My feelings on Deadwood are similar to that of Bob Dylan in the music genre. Overwhelming critical acclaim and highly respected, but I don't get it.

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    The problem is you, not the show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlokk View Post
    The problem is you, not the show.
    That's what I've been saying to Steelers fans since they missed the playoffs.

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    Deadwood is fantastic. Listen to the 20 people here that back up and claim and not the one person that didn't like it.

    I love the show and I rewatch it probably more than any other series. There are a couple story lines in season 3 that are kind of filler, but they're minor.

    I also think Hearst might be the greatest antagonist in TV history. As far as just the level of pure hatred you as the audience can feel for one character. When that actor popped up in House of Cards or just recently in Southland I wanted to punch the television out of pure vitriol. I need to rewatch Jericho to see if that character gets ruined for me too as a result.

    I don't even mind the blue balls ending to the series now. It sucked when the show was airing and then learning it got canned, but on rewatches it feels kind of refreshing to me. Sort of similar to how The Sopranos ends but in a less pretentious way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    ... I wish Joanie Stubbs and Jane got 1/8 the screen time....
    Jane's actor is out of this world, but I...sorta gotta agree with you on this one. The husband and I were rewatching Deadwood S2 last week, and he made a comment about ''HBO series' having a thing for uninteresting whore subplots." Looking back on it, I'm thinking it's more a scene-by-scene thing, but I honestly got to agree with him. The whole thing with the Chez Ami/Carrie/Wolcott thing? Very bleh. The best analogue I can come up with was that shitty scene in GoT where Littlefinger monologues while the two whores are fucking in the background. A lot of the time it feels...forced.

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    I've never seen Milch fully explain it, but apparently he had bigger aspirations for the whole Chez Ami plot. Wolcott doing what he did causes the Chez Ami to shut down, and then the actors take it over, and the actors somehow swindle/plot against Hearst. You only get to see a small bit of their plan coming into reality at the end of S3, and I could never figure out where the hell that was supposed to go, but somewhere to Hearst's detriment I assume.

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    Joanie Stubbs would have been 100x more interesting if she flashed her tits at least once. A whore on an HBO show that doesn't show titty...

    HBO should have an unwritten rule that prevents that from happening. Usually I'm the first to bitch about how HBO shows go way too far to show a ton of tits at the expense of the story but this character was a whore and tits are required to be shown!
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    HBO is no where near as bad as Cinemax in forcing titties to be shown.

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    Showtime, also. Only reason I keep watching Homeland is the off chance that Brodie's wife will be naked again.

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    I agree there is probably more boobs than needed, but it doesn't seem too bad yet. Only made it a few episodes in though.

    At least they're willing to show guys running around with their cocks out as well, so it is just a general "let nekkid people be nekkid" rather than just "lets show more bewbies!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaun View Post
    At least they're willing to show guys running around with their cocks out as well
    Didja notice that one of those cocks belonged to Ron Swanson? =P
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    I've seen way more cum on HBO shit than Cinemax/Showtime. Girls had a full on cum shot Sunday. No excuses that prude whore never flashed her cans.

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    Ban Alex for terrible opinions.

    I love Deadwood, my favorite show ever. I've seen all 3 seasons in order 4+ times, and I re-watch them every year or two. The writing and dialog is so god damn great and the actors are outstanding. Justified is a great show in it's own right, but even if it wasn't I would watch it just for the nostalgia of the several Deadwood actors in it.

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    Can't ban Alex because you would have to ban Astrocreep too.

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    Stop. Tarrant will go on a power trip ban spree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlokk View Post
    Didja notice that one of those cocks belonged to Ron Swanson? =P
    I don't get it, is this some kind of.... ALMIGHTY GOD HAHAHAHA.

    No sir. I did not.

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlokk View Post
    Didja notice that one of those cocks belonged to Ron Swanson? =P
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    One of the greatest scenes in TV history:


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    Jesus H Fucking Christ. Comparing an average show like Mad Men to.. to... Deadwood? Get the fuck out of this existence. Don Draper could not fucking hold Al's dick with both hands.

    Alex, you're a fucking moron.

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    Did Dumar just call someone a fucking moron?

    Shit just got real, yo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumar View Post
    average show like Mad Men
    I can turn that moron comment right back to you for that.

    If Deadwood focused on Al I would like it far more. But Deadwood doesn't really have a main character and a lot of the other people they focus on I never really cared for - Bullock, Jane, Joanie, everyone who hung out at the bar where Wild Bill was killed.

    One of my biggest beefs with the show is how it ended. The last three episodes of the third season are tight and shit starts escalating quickly and then...nothing.

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    I mean...it wasn't supposed to end that way. I've come to enjoy that blue balls feeling at the end of season 3 but I, like many, was pretty upset when we learned the show was being cancelled.

    Given that at the time there was supposed to be a 4th season coming, how were they supposed to end 3? Hearst burns Deadwood to the ground? Seth or Cy kills George as he's leaving...leading to the same result? You can't really continue the story line there without letting Hearst just leave camp peacefully.

    Had the plan been for just three seasons all along we probably would have gotten something different. That said, I like the build to nothing after the fact.

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    The show ended that way because of money reasons. It wasn't finished yet.

    I don't feel like dredging up the links but there are some interesting interviews with both Ian McShane and the guy that played Dan, Al's right hand man, where they talk about how HBO fucked em and lied to them and how much they resent HBO for ending it like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    I can turn that moron comment right back to you for that.
    Mad Men at its best is average. Nothing wrong with liking it but there is absolutely nothing beyond it's initial premise to distinguish it from any other drama...aside from Christina Hendricks.

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    All the familiar period shows - Deadwood, Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos, Borgias, Wire, Rome, Tudors, Mad Men, Spartacus, Downton Abbey, etc - are more or less great, with a few bad episodes but mostly riveting television. Some people are going to like the more gangster/action/sex shows, some people are going to like the more soap opera/romanticized/thoughtful shows. Its pretty silly to really rank them, since it will vary greatly with what is going on with your own life. I found Mad Men insanely boring when it first aired, but now that I am older and have kids I really appreciate it a lot more, a lot of the slow scenes really make me think. I probably would like Sopranos more if I rewatched it now, I hated all that emo shit that started around season 5 when it first aired.

    fuck I'm getting old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tananthalas View Post
    Mad Men at its best is average. Nothing wrong with liking it but there is absolutely nothing beyond it's initial premise to distinguish it from any other drama...aside from Christina Hendricks.
    Yeah, your opinion is wrong and you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos
    Yeah, your opinion is wrong and you are wrong.
    You're a cocksucker, you have always been a cocksucker, you will always be a cocksucker.

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    You suck cock by choice!
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    One episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaythe View Post
    I mean...it wasn't supposed to end that way. I've come to enjoy that blue balls feeling at the end of season 3 but I, like many, was pretty upset when we learned the show was being cancelled.

    Given that at the time there was supposed to be a 4th season coming, how were they supposed to end 3? Hearst burns Deadwood to the ground? Seth or Cy kills George as he's leaving...leading to the same result? You can't really continue the story line there without letting Hearst just leave camp peacefully.

    Had the plan been for just three seasons all along we probably would have gotten something different. That said, I like the build to nothing after the fact.
    HBO really needs to make a commitment to it's viewers with these shows. They should be able to make a promise after the first few episodes of a show and say this show will run at least 3 years and tell the people in charge of the show that they need to wrap up the current storyline within that time-frame. If the show is still successful after those 3(or whatever they pledge) years the writers can start a new storyline arc. Ending shows like they do sometimes is an insult to the people who pay for their channel.

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    Actually you can't. Because Mad Men is boring as shit compared to any above average show. You can't even compare it to Deadwood.

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    I like this show. But much like Game of Thrones, I know certain people are going to die and I can sense certain horrible things happening, and the dread of every time ... welp, it just happened, so I guess I can worry a bit less.

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    I sent the DVDs to my brother and his wife refused to continue watching the show for a while at the end of S1 because she couldn't stand to see the preacher die. She eventually did watch it though and finished out the series.

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    Yeah I'm on my fourth viewing right now and this show is still invincible. Every character on it is gold. You're just a simpleton if you don't like it, sorry.

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    I have to agree. I origionally wanted to watch just due to liking westerns but this really is a whole level above the majority of TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaun View Post
    I have to agree. I origionally wanted to watch just due to liking westerns but this really is a whole level above the majority of TV.
    Yeah, even my friends who don't like "Westerns" loved Deadwood. Its easily in my top 10 TV series of all time.

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    I enjoyed Deadwood just like everyone else here it seems.

    Whilst the last season didn't end very well at all, on reflection I thought it should of been a three season show. S01 The establishment of the town, S02 The huge gold rush and then the last season the gold runs dry and all the empires are for naught.

    I would hate to have a series like that just continue and continue like so many do until it becomes a mercy that they take the show off air.

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    such a great show, watched it 3 times already, too bad they didnt finish it.

    i guess without this show i would have never watched justified ... olyphant FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysterion View Post
    such a great show, watched it 3 times already, too bad they didnt finish it.

    i guess without this show i would have never watched justified ... olyphant FTW.
    Yeah, seeing Hurst and Bullock on screen together in Justified just felt...right.

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    And Ellsworth!

    Last edited by Grimmlokk; 03-22-2013 at 01:34 AM.
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    Don't forget Commissioner Jarry.




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    I still want Al to show up as a liaison between the Dixie mob and the Yakuza.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erronius View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlokk View Post
    I still want Al to show up as a liaison between the Dixie mob and the Yakuza.
    I would straight up pop a television boner....and it would be Justified.

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    Dan Dority was around in an earlier season for an episode as well.

    Ian MacShane would be the dream addition even if it's just a short cameo. Michael Ironside was prepared to do a 60 second spot in it so why not. Final season MacShane appearance, make it happen Justified showrunners!

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    Started watching this again from episode 1 last night because of this thread. This show is the fucking tits.

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    Finished season 1.

    Terrific show. Al Swearington is like, the Avatar of Getting Shit Done. The doctor is a fantastic "fuck you, I'm trying to help people!", then Bullock beating the hell out of whatshername's dad was terrific. I am really sad that Jane left though, please tell me she comes back!

    This is just fantastic proof of what you get when you write deep, complex characters and kind of "let them go" I think. This is what a lot of shows miss.

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    Swearington? Easy mistake to make, but come on! SWEARGEN COCKSUCKER!



    Jane returns eventually.
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    Forgiveness!

    He is awesome. I also can't help but think Wu speaks perfect English.

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    When you see that actor in other roles it will blow your mind. Or it does me. I keep waiting for him to yell "SWEARGEN! COCKSUCKAS! WU!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    When you see that actor in other roles it will blow your mind. Or it does me. I keep waiting for him to yell "SWEARGEN! COCKSUCKAS! WU!"
    The only good part of MIB3 was Mr. WU showing up as...MR. WU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithose View Post
    The only good part of MIB3 was Mr. WU showing up as...MR. WU.
    Yes, that indeed was awesome.

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    I find Bullock, and now his wife as well seem to react poorly to Christian ministers, know little of the bible and so on. Am I seeing things or making it up in my head or is this "A Thing"?

    I'm one episode short of the end of Season 2 and haven't picked up on why this is so yet. Is it because he is Canadian?

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    To be fair, how many people 150 years ago didn't know the bible well? It's only very recently that has changed.

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    I think that Bullock just has a low tolerance for nonsense, and the S1 minister was a fountain of nonsense. Martha is a wreck over her son and reacting poorly to everyone, not just the minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsBehavn View Post
    To be fair, how many people 150 years ago didn't know the bible well? It's only very recently that has changed.
    This is what I'm saying, he seems ignorant, which seems odd to me. I guess I thought everyone was Christian and most people learned to read on their family Bibles and such.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrutulTM View Post
    I think that Bullock just has a low tolerance for nonsense, and the S1 minister was a fountain of nonsense. Martha is a wreck over her son and reacting poorly to everyone, not just the minister.
    Maybe. Even her saying the morning prayer with the kids seems odd.

    Like I said, could be imagining it. After 2 seasons in and they gave no direct explanation, there is nothing to it.

    Though yes, Bullock is just intolerant of everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrutulTM View Post
    I think that Bullock just has a low tolerance for nonsense, and the S1 minister was a fountain of nonsense. Martha is a wreck over her son and reacting poorly to everyone, not just the minister.
    Thats a big part of it, also I got the impression that Bullock was not much of a God-fearing man, and far from a religious man. He believes in justice, usually his own brand, and practical hard work. I think he just considers himself a "Christian" because like you say, most did in that time and place. If anything, I remember him being much more tolerant of the seizure preacher than a lot of the others.

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    Just finished the show.

    Absolutely amazing show, beyond my expectations.

    The end was such utter shit I want to murder someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaun View Post
    Just finished the show.

    Absolutely amazing show, beyond my expectations.

    The end was such utter shit I want to murder someone.
    To be fair they planned on continuing the story in movies.

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    The more recent behind the scenes stuff I have read suggests that they never really planned on doing movies or whatever, they knew the series would be ending and so they reshot that last scene to substitute for an ending. HBO immediately rolled up the sets and shit and all the movie stuff was just rumors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    The more recent behind the scenes stuff I have read suggests that they never really planned on doing movies or whatever, they knew the series would be ending and so they reshot that last scene to substitute for an ending. HBO immediately rolled up the sets and shit and all the movie stuff was just rumors.
    Fucking cock teases. I waited for word so patiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    The more recent behind the scenes stuff I have read suggests that they never really planned on doing movies or whatever, they knew the series would be ending and so they reshot that last scene to substitute for an ending. HBO immediately rolled up the sets and shit and all the movie stuff was just rumors.
    But it is true that the series did get cut short right?

    Wasn't it mid-third season HBO decided not to continue into the fourth?

    Its one thing having the main plot come to this huge boil and then... NOTHING HAPPEN! But all these little plots of all these individual characters who you have followed and fell in love with go unresolved is just horrible sinful and should be punished.

    I think that is what bothers me the most: The only characters that got resolution were the ones who died. FUCK YOU!

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    Yeah, season 3 was supposed to lead to the omgwtf blowup in season 4. It would have been goddamn epic. But once they got the word that HBO was not renewing (apparently they knew pretty early in) they redid the last scene to serve as a stopping point.

    The funny thing is that apparently Deadwood was getting way better ratings than any of their shows now get. The problem was they were comparing it to the Sopranos ratings, which it was actually on par with, but it was more expensive and the execs at HBO just didn't like the show. So it gets canceled while Arliss went on for 132 seasons.
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    I can't help but think, in hindsight, especially of Game of Thrones* now, HBO can't help but kick themselves for not paying another season or two they needed.

    (*I can't help comparing the two a bit, maybe because I watched them close together, maybe because I feel they are similar due to ensemble cast, boobs, cursing, violence, etc.)

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    There is no doubt that HBO is a different network than the one that cancelled Rome and Deadwood, both of which they pretty openly admit were mistakes.

    Then again, they did cancel Luck. That still makes me angry.

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    Luck was worse than John From Cincinnati.

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    I never watched Luck. But John From Cincinatti was goddamn awful. Just awful. When Luke Perry is the best actor on your show, something is amiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalid View Post
    There is no doubt that HBO is a different network than the one that cancelled Rome and Deadwood, both of which they pretty openly admit were mistakes.

    Then again, they did cancel Luck. That still makes me angry.
    Wasn't Rome cancelled because of a fire that burned down all their sets? They claimed it was too expensive to rebuild or something?

    BTW just watched Rome again, such a great series. Lucius Vorenus & Titus Puollo are fucking awesome together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeagle View Post
    Luck was worse than John From Cincinnati.
    They canceled Luck because horses kept dying on the set. Blame the people actually making that show for not taking care of the horses and not HBO.

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    My understanding is that they were taking great care of the horses, they were just old horses and more prone to injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    My understanding is that they were taking great care of the horses, they were just old horses and more prone to injury.
    This, old race horses break their legs very, very easy. And they can't heal, so they are euthanized. Luck was great for all the horses involved, because most of them would have been euthanized without being used there and being there they were treated like fucking kings. Once again, PETA being short sighted. That said, Luck wasn't that good to be honest.

    As for Rome--Rome's sets burned down after they cancelled. The reason they cancelled is because the BBC didn't want to renew their funding and between Rome, Sopranos and Deadwood, HBO couldn't keep all three and since Rome was by far the most expensive, it got the axe. Set burned down later which killed any hope of a movie ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    I never watched Luck. But John From Cincinatti was goddamn awful. Just awful. When Luke Perry is the best actor on your show, something is amiss.
    I wanted to like that train wreck so much. I don't blame the actors for the show sucking though, Ed O'Neil in particular was really good in it, but the entire story of the show was just nonsense. Presumably they would have made it make sense in future seasons but you can't have a whole season where you don't even let the audience know what's going on with the main character. It was a self indulgent wank-fest that I blame David Milch for 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oblio View Post
    BTW just watched Rome again, such a great series. Lucius Vorenus & Titus Puollo are fucking awesome together.
    "THIRTEEN! THIRTEEN!"

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    Cancelled shows hmm... Luck and Kings being cancelled hurt. I understand why they were each cancelled but still, Luck especially would've been awesome next season and after I'm sure.

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    JohnFC was sadly part of the reason the Deadwood main man didn't fight his corner very hard as he was already starting to focus in on that. As far as the actors knew the movies were a possibility but it was always going to be a long shot, as soon as a cast like that breaks up getting them all together again at the same time is hella hard. Then once they had broken up the sets (they didn't do it straight away which gave some hope) everyone knew it was unofficially dead even if HBO have never admitted as such.

    Olyphant says the cancellation came out of the blue, he had literally just bought a house and got the phone call a few days later. He laughingly admits that is why he made Hitman, they offered him it and a ridiculous salary very soon after the word about Deadwood got out and he took it to pay off his mortgage.

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    So I'm rewatching S1 during the holiday TV lull and I got to thinking that Flora (the girl that Dan falls in love with before she gets her brains mashed in by Tolliver for stealing) was a good actress and really pretty and I wonder what ever happened to her so I go to IMDB and it's fucking Kristen Bell! Maybe this is not news to anyone but me but I don't know how I didn't put that together as many times as I have watched this show. I guess I just couldn't recognize her as a curly haired brunette.



    BTW Deadwood holds up X1000. The writing in S1 is so goddamn good.

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    Its really one of the only series I go back and watch past two times. It doesn't get old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    Its really one of the only series I go back and watch past two times. It doesn't get old.
    Indeed.

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    Coooocksuckah.

    Cocksuca.

    I never did watch the final episode. I did not want to see major hearst win any [b]harder[\b]. It just made me sad.

    I saw an interview a while back with the guy they brought back from s1 to play the rapey serial killery assistant in s2. It made me laugh when he said he couldn't believe they let him do that shit either, and he wasn't such an idiot to say no when it was offered... But he did at least ask them if they thought it was kinda weird. Apparently the answer was, "whatever". Lol. He was pretty good though. But that part of it was just weird for tv. A couple of stage actors on that show I think.

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    He was also the dad on Raising Hope.

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    That dude is a crazy good actor. He was also the Russian on Life. He played 3 different roles on Deadwood.
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    This place has gone to shit.

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    He was really good in Looper as well. Garret Dillahunt.
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    hah just to continue piling on his work...he also played the main terminator in the Sarah Connor Chronicles. This thread is gonna make me binge watch this show again gd it.

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