My little homie, Dexter. 7 months or so.
Man's best friend... even if you're a man posting as a woman on the internet.
Last edited by Eyashusa; 12-07-2012 at 05:08 PM.
This is Maeby. She's about to turn 7. I had a pretty freaky cancer scare with her just these past few weeks but everything came back benign. Thank god. Aside from some missing fur and a couple surgery scars she's pretty much back to normal.
You should put up a video of how Maeby acts. Her reaction to inanimate objects moving around is fucking gold.
Dio has developed some kind of big red lump on his back right haunch. Might be a cyst or something, but it's pretty gross looking. Doesn't seem to bother him other than itching now and again.
Worth it to have it looked at and tested because it could be a sign of other things.
May have posted this on FOH at some point, but here's Spot at work:
My dog Nero and some of his antics..
Him waking up..
Him letting me know he's up..
Stealing from my dresser..
This last one he just gave me the I don't give a fuck look after I caught him on the sofa.. He normally jumps off before I can catch him.
So we have a beagle. My wife got him about 3 years ago when he was a puppy. When I started coming around the dog would just bark at me while he was 20 to 30' away. I was in the stage where I was still wooing my future wife so of course I was trying to be nice to the dog. This went on for about 2 months where the dog would just bark at me 20 to 30' away every time I came over.
About 2 months after I'd met the dog my wife asked me to watch over him at her place while she went with her family to a wedding in South Dakota. I came over on Friday and the dog stayed in the kennel all day at the time while they were gone. I opened the kennel and tried to encourage the dog to come out but he wouldn't... I went ahead and slowly pulled him out of his kennel and he pissed all over the floor he was so scared of me. I took him outside and he went right into the 20 to 30' away from me barking. He never would come back in that night and he's too fast to catch him so he slept outside that night. The next day he barked again but I think he was more scared of being outside all day/night again so he came in.
The dog is semi ok around women. 1 or 2 new women at a time he can handle but if it's more he gets freaked out. Men are a whole other story though. When a guy comes over it's the same thing as it was with me, 20 to 30' away nonstop barking. The dog normally listens to my commands as I've spent a fair amount of time working with him (whippings for negative behavior, treats for listening and playing with him or petting him). When a guy comes over it's about all I can do to get the dog to listen to me to get in the kennel and that's usually the easiest command to get him to listen to.
Is there any way to train the dog to be less psychotic when a man comes over and possibly even be friendly? He hates every one of our male friends that comes over without exception. My father in law is a serious dog lover so my dog gets along very well with him but that's it. It just gets really old trying to figure out how to manage him freaking out when a guy comes over. I want people to feel more welcome in our house when they come by, not like they're hated by our dog.
I haven't tried holding him and making him let people pet him. When I've had to carry him within 10' by another man it's all I can do to hold the dog in my arms to get him to the kennel.
I think some animals just sometimes can be very particular about what gender they like, one of my birds hates women and loves men. As for advice I probably wouldn't spank him when he's bad, just a very firm NO should suffice...since he's already afraid of you/men I don't think actually spanking him will help. In his mind men are already negative beings, so inflicting pain on him in my opinion will make it worse. I probably wouldn't try to force him at all into being petted or anything like that, probably just gently talking to him and giving him treats if he's near you.
Have you tried to take him to a dog trainer/behaviorist? Or taking him to the vet and possibly getting him some anxiety medicine? Those could also be possible options.
Hmm it sounds to me like the dog needs to be socialized more. Did your wife take him out for walks, to the park, to the dog run, etc. When she first got him? Honestly it sounds to me like she babied the dog too much when he was a puppy and now he feels insecure without her, whether that is actually the case I don't know of course, it's just a hunch.
To solve the problem I think that socializing him more and getting him out of his comfort zone will be the way to go. Make sure that you have a method that you use to distract him when he is doing something kooky, it can be a specific noise, a touch, anything like that but hopefully something that you used while you were working with him to listen to your commands. The goal is to try to make him feel secure all of the time, you and your wife are there with him and are taking care of everything, there's nothing for him to be afraid of or to be defensive over.
Basically I would start taking him out more, around other dogs and around other people. Make sure that you and your wife are in control of the situation and help him to feel secure and allow himself to just be a normal dog. I think that would help.
Edit: And agreed. Don't hit the dog or give him "whippings," whatever that entails. You just have to have mental control over the dog. My dog for example, he listens to everything I say and responds to hand movements as well, I can wave him to sit down, put my hand out and halt him to stay. Make sure that you have the dogs full attention when you are teaching him, he'll try his best to obey, dogs really love to please and be good.
Last edited by Charles; 12-10-2012 at 02:56 AM.
Came across a pic of Spot as a baby helping me work on the tractor.
I do hate whipping the dog. When I first came around the dog and I didn't get along at all and it took over a year for me to start to actually like him at all. The wife and I fought over him more than anything else. She does baby him, wouldn't let me discipline him but I finally just started working with him. He's still a pain sometimes but my god he's soooo much better of a dog.
My wife tried taking him to the park when he was younger but that was an absolute disaster she said. He freaked out and did not interact well with the people or other animals. They gave up after a few times of that. The dog goes with the daughter to her dad's house every other weekend. They have another dog and 2 young kids. We used to take the dog with us to Sunday dinner's every other week at my father in law's with his 7 dogs but that ended with the last hurricane.
The dog does run well with me. He kinda sucks at walking cause he'll try to pull me around but when we jog together he's right there with me.
Sounds like your wife's lack of socializing the dog when it was young is the root of all this. It's a lot harder to get older dogs used to people :/ That's what you need to do, though. The dog needs socialization and it needs to be a regular thing. Not like a once-a-week thing, either.
This is something that probably will never be fully fixed, genetics play a big role in this, but active socialization at the right age during puppy hood can help overcome it. Right now I get random males to give the dog super high value treats, I am talking about cooked steak and chicken pieces here, not milk bones. Then dog will look at every male as a big treat dispenser which might be the best you get at this point. Idea is to overcome dogs shitty nerves with very positive things. Sometimes you just have to accept the dog isn't not going to be this idea this doggy social butterfly.
Never try to force a dog out its crate unless you have to, its considered a safe place for the dog and your doing more harm than good when trying get the dog to come around.
Anyone have any idea of what the issue here is?
Got a puppy 2 weeks ago, she's 11 weeks now. It's going good, she's a little fireball, but overall it's good. Crate training is going great, but listen to this shit. We bought her a dog bed, and she peed on it within the first day or two. So now, anything that we attempt to replace it with, old pillows, the dog bed that has been natures miracle'd and washed, and she pissed on it. Now she has zero accidents in her crate or on the towel in her crate, and housebreaking is going fairly well. But pillow or dog bed? Pissssssssss.
The last time it happened, she was chewing on a bully stick and just real into it, and was fidgeting around, and just peed.
I'm content to leave it alone for a while, but she spends most of her time in a tiled room because of housebreaking when we have to watch her and she can't get comfy to chew and stuff unless it's on a bed.
Should I buy some shitty dog beds and keep at it and just keep correcting the behavior?
Start the thread the proper way
Gentlemen of the jury: The best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name, may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it the most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him and the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog.
Gentlemen of the jury: A man's dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer, he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.
If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies, and when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death.
I had a dog when I was a teenager that had total pack mentality, he was great with my Mum and Dad but a gigantic arsehole with I think universally everyone else including me and my sister.
In hindsight they should have chopped his balls off, would have solved everything.
My aunt had a Boston, when I was around seven I stole a huge bag of pretzels and sat under the dining room table and shared the bag with the dog. That dog was so sick I thought I had killed it. Every time I showed up at her house after that he would spend the entire time trying to bite me. They have the capacity for learning and holding a grudge.
Later on in life I endorse the bed idea simply for them to have a "spot" that they know is theirs. It makes it a lot easier to reinforce other areas of training if they know what their bed is.
Serious question though, even though I don't plan on switching to a raw diet, is it true that really high protein dry dog foods are bad for puppies? I know raw is obviously like complete protein so how is this a bad thing if peoples raise puppies on it?
Thinking about making a switch to Earthborn dog food is why I ask but it's like 34-38% protein.
I do remember reading something about high protein and puppies, but it's been like 2 years since I did all the research on this. Zel ate whole eggs, cottage cheese and chicken drums for a long time when she was a pup and never had a problem. Not sure what that equates out to in terms of percent though to help you out.
Fuck it, i'll look it up. It's gonna bother me if I don't.
Raw and Natural Nutrition for Dogs (Lew Olson) is the book I use for reference, and has guided my entire raw diet adventure. It has sourced studies of puppies where when fed a low protein diet, growth was stunted, high protein diet, they grew normally. Furthermore, when switched to a high protein diet, the low protein group grew normally. It seems to indicate that overfeeding (a common problem when feeding low quality proteins) is more of a health problem than high amounts of high quality protein.
Everything I remember from going through all of this is what dogs are just protein machines (they are carnivores, afterall). The more they get, the healthier they are, because that's what they metabolize the most effectively. Higher quality proteins and higher amounts are always beneficial, at every stage of life, and leads to healthier dogs.
You'll probably get growth spurts from puppy kibble though, that's a common problem with all of it.
Issue is with breeds that have common hip dysplasia issue, high protein puppy food can cause them too grow fast, and increase their chance of hip issues at a older date. This is usually a issue with puppy kibble.
BTW got Immo's hip prelims done, nothing changes between the next 10 months (I had them done at 16 months), he probably will go OFA Excellent or at least Good on the hips when they are score. I need to stop being lazy and tighten up his focus heel and get ready for his BH so I can start his fun training.
Oh yeah, so meant to ask..what did you get Arkk? You got it right around the time of the board implosion, don't think we talked much since.
I won't switch for a month or so until her current food runs out, and I may wait even longer. She isn't on puppy kibble, just an adult formula of Taste of the Wild, it's coincidentally what I fed my Rottweiler and the breeder fed the same thing, so I kept it the same. Diamond makes it so I wanted to avoid another potential recall and Earthborn is a better food.
Staffordshire Bull Terrier. It's been good so far. She's really high energy, not crazy frantic or anything she just takes a while to tire, and at this age without all of her shots, and the low attention span, sometimes tiring her out can be a chore.
I need help/advice/ideas on what is happening with one of my dogs. He is a 6 yr old Border Collie/Lab mix and two weeks ago he was sleeping and then just stood up and started screaming and shaking. I held him until he stopped, which was approximately thirty seconds. I felt all along his body in order to locate where the pain was but he gave no indication of having any. I released him and he went off with the other dog as nothing happened. It happened again last night while he was on the bed next to me at 3am. Scared the crap out of everyone in the house. Again, he didn't seem to have any painful parts. I felt for stomach spasms, the whole nine yards. Again, thirty or so seconds he was fine and went back to sleep. No one else did, in fact he was pissed off that we all became active making him feel he had to get up as well.
Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated.
Probably just had a dream. I've seen plenty of dogs do that, fall asleep, leg starts twitching, then they wake up, run to the door or something, and look all freaked the fuck out because their brains can't comprehend the difference between a dream and reality.
It does sound like a dream, yeah. One of our dogs always dreams like this except he's never gotten up and physically moved anywhere, just twitches A LOT... he barks and makes loud whining noises too.
He got a hold of one of the kid's huge stuffed toys and started, for a lack of a better word, kneading it with his paws, making nursing sounds. He's turning into a strange animal all of a sudden. No More 3amers is all I ask.
Seems to happen in spurts with mine. She'll got a couple days with getting weird dreams, wake up all freaked out, then be fine for a few months. Maybe it's too much chocolate after bedtime
I'm racking my brain trying to think of anything that would have set this off. The only thing that is different is the weather. We were only joking about getting a new puppy hehehe.
Don't worry about it. There's nothing wrong with the dog, it'll either go away on it's own, or the dog will go crazy (pretty unlikely).
I mean, what triggers you to have dreams? Who the fuck knows? And who really knows what dogs are thinking about either. Be happy it's just dreams. German Shepherds have notoriously shitty stomachs. If mine's been outside for too long and starts eating twigs and grass and finding mice to gnaw on, she pukes at 3am. Happens with startling regularity.
Thanks, I just don't want him to suffer and me be a shitty pet owner.
Cute dog! Is she or he a pup in that last photo?
He! he's grown up in the last photo, maybe like 5-6 years old at that time. He just looks like that, because of the angle and the long fur.
Here is a pic of him as a pup.
I've always wanted a French Bulldog. There's no breeders around me, so I can't even like just visit and see how the breed reacts, so I'm giving up on that for time indeterminate. Love dogs though.
My neighbor's black lab has seizures as well. They mostly solved it by not feeding him peanut butter anymore, or at least they think that's what did it, so he may have had an allergy or something.
My Rottie dreams a lot, and every now and then in the middle of the night he will howl in his sleep, and he sounds like a fucking air raid siren. It's really deep, there is nothing high pitch or typical about it. Scares the shit out of me, then I laugh.
A labrador/retriever mix. I think the mother was a pure Golden Retriever, while the father was a 50/50 lab/retriever.
This is shortly after I first got her, back July 2011.
Anyone know of any good books/articles on the dynamic between a puppy and an adult dog as the puppy grows and the relationship changes? Never paid any attention to that stuff before because I never had 2 dogs =P
My parents have a Jack Russell. He suffers from terrible separation anxiety. My parents got him when he was only six weeks old. He is very uncomfortable when he leaves the house and freaks out when people leave. He is also extremely distrustful of anyone he's not familiar with who enters the home; barking, running away from them, hiding under cupboards and beds. He's just an overall nervous wreck of a dog. He's also extremely possessive. He'll growl like an asshole, not playful, if you take away something he has and gets pissed if you do something like make him get off the couch so you can sit down.
He's too far gone at this point. He's seven years old now and my parents have just waited too long to attempt to break him from this kind of behavior. Based on a suggestion from a co-worker, I checked out the Thundershirt. The suggestion just came to me yesterday and I quickly did some online research and the results appear to be staggering - almost unbelievable. So I went ahead and bought it as a Christmas gift for my parents. Does anyone else here have any experience with these? Are they as magical as they sound?
For some dogs, thundershirts really seem to help, and for others, they don't. It's different for each dog. You can always give it a try - they do have a money back guarantee, as far as I know, and it certainly won't HURT to try it. Another idea may be a DAP diffuser (pheromone diffuser, not unlike a glade plug-in.) Again, though, works for some and not for others.
For what it's worth, I do own a thundershirt for my Rat Terrier, mostly for during fireworks on holidays, and it seems to work well for her. We chill in the house, put the thundershirt on her about an hour before the fireworks are supposed to start, and then just act like the fireworks are no big deal. Before trying the thundershirt, she would shiver and pace. Since we've had it, she pretty much just hangs out on the couch. It's obvious she can still HEAR the fireworks, as her ears twitch like she's listening, but she's no longer OVERLY nervous about them.
My other dog (Tibetan Mastiff mix) suffered from seizures and I finally figured out that it was from Greenies. The other dog that I was asking about isn't howling he is outright screaming as though he has been hit by a car. When the other one tries to get near him in this state he growls and snaps at him which makes the other one pissed off so it's a real treat at three in the morning to wake to all that.
Ark, when ever I have introduced a new pup to the older dog I have learned that you must give them equal attention so the older dog doesn't feel slighted thus making the new pup the enemy. I've always had the experience of the older dog then taking care of the puppy. With these two the dynamic stayed with the older dog, although smaller, has remained top dog of the house. In fact he insists on it.
The people aspect of it is more difficult.
He's also a Jack Russell is and is probably pretty wound. How much exercise does he get? I'm guessing little to none?
Now to come full circle with all that said. Thundershirts do work *for most dogs.* Some dogs don't care for them and some dogs think it is the most comforting thing in the world. There is no guarantee it will work.
Can anyone suggest a dog that would get along with or at least coexist with our cat? We have a 8 month old domestic short hair that's basically a lap cat. Damn thing is codependent I swear. Was thinking about a sheltie or cav spaniel. Will have to be an inside dog as we don't have a fenced in yard, but would like it to be athletic enough / have enough energy to go on runs around the neighborhood and to the park.
My two boston's Molly and Sydney. They've provided years of ridiculous entertainment.
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To answer the above questions about the Jack Russell, he probably doesn't get enough exercise for his breed. He gets his daily walk but beyond that, not much. Of course he still plays like a puppy. Always wanting to play fetch. He's pretty manipulative so he can usually coax you into playing with him. He gets a lot of exercise in the summer due to the pool being open and people being outside more in general. And the notes about making a big deal about leaving and entering the house; that's 100% the problem. Thanks for the input.
Do dogs that are raised with cats ever really have problems with them? My dog would give my cat shit when he was a puppy but he never wanted to attack her or anything. They kind of just get used to this other animal being there, I don't know if it really matters what breed you get for that reasoning.
Well, my wife had a cat for a couple years before I brought the dog home. But the day I did, the fucking cat was gone. We didn't see her for a week. I have no idea where she was hiding, but she wanted no part of the 15lb german shepherd puppy.
A week later, the dog was all comfortable with the house and me and was kinda getting into the groove of living here, and all of a sudden this fucking cat shows up. It's been ridiculous ever since. Very occasionally they can co-exist nicely together, usually in the evening, when they bond over looking out the patio door, but other than that, the prey drive on the shep won't enable any type of peaceful coexistence. Zel just won't get over it. Doesn't matter what's going on, it's "Ooh, cat" as soon as the cat shows up and they go tearing through the fucking house.
I should have never let the cat get away with hiding under a bed for a week, it probably would have solved it. But yeah, prey drive man...gotta be mindful of it.
I have a JRT they can be monsters but the personality makes up for it. I have a thundershirt for Giles and it does absolutely nothing. My fiance moved in and brought 3 dogs and a cat and the cat has not left the basement yet Giles will not have it. He gets along with the dogs but his prey drive kicks in when the cat is around and he goes literally crazy .
That dog is a badass.
So yes, they do work, but they are not a 100% measure to stop anything.
For example, I was watching a Curiosity special on Discovery a few months ago about sexuality. They said they had an experiment where they took a bunch of male rats, divided them up into groups, and put little vests on some of them, and put them into cages with female rats. The rats went about doing what rats do. They repeated this for a couple of weeks, and then took the vests off the rats, and found that they could no longer perform without the vests...completely impotent. What's a vest to a rat? It's nothing.
I suspect it's largely the same phenomenon. The shirt makes YOU think that it's going to work, and YOUR attitude changes, and the dog notices that shit. Then it starts to associate your more relaxed/stable energy with the shirt, and starts to enjoy it.
I notice a similar thing with the prong collar I use to walk my GSD. She doesn't associate the collar with anything negative, she associates it with walk time. The fact that the collar is used to control her behavior doesn't register at all. She will happily come right up to you and sit right in front of you if you grab the collar and wait for you to put it on.
Again, dog behavior is at least 75% human behavior. If you're stable, your dog will be stable. If you're out of control and get easily excited/anxious/fearful, your dog will do the same thing. Most people just don't recognize when they are, and that they're transferring that to the dog. I've got very high energy friends, and my dog acts completely different around them than she does around me, or with my lower energy friends.
I don't think that's the whole story. My brother-in-law has a JRT. For years, if they left her alone in the house and there was a storm? She'd go apeshit. She's torn about 3 feet of dry-wall off the wall next to a door and decimated several carpets. They basically had to end up leaving her in her kennel in the garage during the day. If there were a storm, she'd literally bend the bars on it.
They got her a thundershirt, and even when she's alone, she's calm as fuck.
My 5 month old puppy acts Thundershirt-ish when I put a sweater on her, probably because she knows how much of a fucking asshole she looks like.
Anyone else here Great Dane fans? I'm about to get a puppy here soon for my son. I was raised with them, had two since living on my own about to get a third. They are fantastic with children.
Quite an old bump. But now I wanna know what the first post was about. Man's best friend even if you're posing as a woman on the internet?
BUmped it bc I didn't want to start a new thread, but wanted to show of my pals. Search. Woo Hoo.
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Good. I've got marshmallows.
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