Pretty clearly just chunks breaking off but in general I am a skeptic.
I am certainly no Lumie, but we need this thread.
I've always been extremely fascinated with the paranormal stuff, mostly ghosts and also alien conspiracy theories. I know other people must enjoy some of the same.
So, my first question is, what do you think about this:
Pretty clearly just chunks breaking off but in general I am a skeptic.
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Congratulations you've proved the existence of aliens.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
They are building quite a compelling case though.lol
"Komanev also claimed there was a spike in the number of UFO sightings in the days before the meteor lit up the skies over Chelyabinsk.
"We have registered an increase of UFO activity. We began to receive more testimonies of eyewitnesses" he said. "Usually we get two messages about UFOs per month. Since the beginning of February we received four messages.'
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Batshit insane? You think were the only ones out there? Might as well be Catholic, man.
I prefer the name Lumie's Batshit Insane Thread. This name is way too tame.
My first link was just a thread starter... believe it or not work blocks "paranormal and the occult" websites
As a kid I was somewhat fascinated by psi. I thought it would be awesome if people had mental powers. I started studying it, saw how people like Houdini, James Randi and so many others have debunked every so-called scientific proof or test of these things. So I retired it.
Not that I saw anything like it in my life and I would have to see it myself to be a true believer, but its still fascinating. Millions of people experiencing paranormal shit, there has to be some truth to it unless, of course, those million people are all bullshitters.
I think ghosts are probably the one facet that I truly believe in, while aliens are about 50/50.
Argument from ignorance is as poorly founded as it sounds. If you don't agree then this is the correct thread for your views on science.
The burden of proof is on those making the claim. Why should the burden of proof be on people who are forced to prove a negative i.e. that something doesnt exist?
If I say that Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, how is my claim just as valid as your claim of disbelief when I clearly pulled shit out of my ass?
I didn't say your claims were invalid. I guess the difference is I'm not trying to prove anything to you or anyone else, yet instead presenting evidence for people to base their own opinions. If you have some videos of the paranormal flying spaghetti monster you'd like to post feel free.
For example, Araysar mentions the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You say post a picture. Well, we don't have to. Because, as everyone knows, the Flying Spaghetti monster is responsible for all ghost sightings and UFO sightings. I mean, go ahead, prove me wrong right. With science.
I think seeing ghosts and other "supernatural" stuff is a phenomenon. I just think its a psychological or neurological phenomenon. Something that happens within our brains and not something that actually happens in reality.
Why do I need to prove you wrong? I don't want to. If you choose to believe in a tasty monster then that is your own right.
I said to post a video if he wants so we can all form our own opinions. If he doesn't want to that's fine.
Meanwhile, I can post videos of UFOs, ghosts, snow yetis, mole men, greys, draconians, reptilians, whatever - you can choose to believe them or not. Of course, if you're looking for another Lumie I am not him - yet..
It isn't that I want you to prove me wrong or I want to prove you wrong. It is just that having a discussion about shit that we can't have any evidence for, and then saying you are of a scientific mind and would like some sort of scientific evidence just strikes me as off.Originally Posted by noodleface
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I don't think they're worse, I just think that's how he was. I know people like that in real life as well. There's nothing wrong with it but I prefer to believe in stuff that I can see some form of evidence of. If that sets me up to be a Lumie, then so be it.
I've got a guy at work that loves Ghost Hunters. Every once in awhile he'll tell me about an episode, and it invariably ends up with him being mad at me. I tell him that there could be ghosts for all I know, but the ghosts they show on Ghost Hunters are in no way, shape, or form actually verifiable ghosts. He gets mad and says they are, and we go around and around until I usually end with the argument that, if they were able to prove ghosts beyond a shred of doubt, don't you think they'd be doing a lot more with it than teasing people on a crappy cable network show? He doesn't get it though, he is convinced that when they tell him it was a ghost, that it truly was. I tell him that sure, I'd love to believe there were ghosts and such, but not a single one has been proven to me to be real. And the butthurt continues.
I typically try to avoid those kinds of conversations now, because it a believer isn't going to be swayed by something like logic, even if the logic is that it *could* be a ghost, sure, but it *could* be a lot of other things too, so why did you pick ghost out of all those choices?
Ghosts for me is the basic. Rational mind says no. but tell that to my not rational mind when I'm walking down an unlit stairwell into an 100% dark basement in some abandoned 300year old house. Cuase it isn't going to believe you.
Plausible explanations. First is clearly, its your mind fucking with you. Hallucination, night terrors, waking dreams, self hypnosis, etc. All very real things that can explain pretty much all ghost sightings.
Second option is more guessing theory. First off, we have more then 5 senses. And I don't mean in a silly esp way quite yet. I mean basic.
Sight. Well sight isn't just sight right off. color and shapes are quite different. our eyesight is sharper at dusk due to ability to see black and white is greater then color.
"Neuroanatomists generally regard it as two senses, given that different receptors are responsible for the perception of color and brightness."
Then this is further broken down, as the nerves from the eye move to the visual cortex. our brain translates what we see into our consciousness, and subconsciousness.
Look at every optical illusion. there is a clearly a huge separation between what our EYE sees, and what our brain tells us what we are seeing.
what then is really interesting is, there is also a difference between what our consciousness sees, and what our subconsciousness does.
Studies showing people with brain damage, that left them blind being unable to process the information for the waking mind, but still being able to see with their subconscious. Picking out colors and objects they can't see.
So you can not believe your own eyes quite literally. there is alot of room for mistakes to be made in the process.
So the pseudo-science is ,what if there really IS something there, we are seeing, but that information is not being processed by our conscious sight, but instead the subconscious sees it. And then forms a pattern out of this "whatever", in the same way we see faces, and penises in everything, and that does slip into our conscious mind sometimes. So then what is it? Dunno. Maybe its infrared or ultraviolet light? Time distortions? gravity? auras? (reasonable to crazy scale. haha) If our eyes are slightly more powerful then we think, and can pick up bits and pieces of non-visible light, maybe this is considered trash information and ignored like eye floaters.
and all our senses are like this.
internal pain, sense of time, are 2 sense not part of the childish 5 senses as well.
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Lumie's Batshit Insane Thread
anyone can track Lumie's recent activity btw? i really wonder what nosense he's spreading now that the maya apocalipse has passed
"Sorry I tried to spit roast your mom."
Being an alien nut.. you would think I would enjoy that show, but I just can't get over the fact that one of their "experts" is the guy that wrote Chariots of (for?) the Gods which included self-admitted fabricated pottery. I can't believe they let him on the show still.
"Sight. Well sight isn't just sight right off. color and shapes are quite different. our eyesight is sharper at dusk due to ability to see black and white is greater then color."
I thought I read somewhere that more car accidents happen at dawn / dusk then another other time because of the way the lighting is. Something along the lines of we can't see better, but worse due to the colors, not the sunlight shining in your eyes.
'I have sex with aliens who sneak into my room at night': Psychic appears on live TV claiming to have 'out-of-this-world orgasms with octopus men and cat people'
Perfect timing for this. I just spent my entire lunch hour arguing with two coworkers that I thought were a little bit nutty, but not this nutty. They both believe 9/11 is an inside job, are skeptical that the moon landing happened, insist that we can't have developed all of this technology on our own (we must have been given a "boost" sometime recently by aliens), Roswell is real, and that the "13 families" are responsible for most of it because they want to take over the world. They are both ready to move up to the hills, live off the grid, and prepare for the collapse of society.
I eventually had to tell them that we're not ever going to speak of these things again, because I believe they are good people and I don't want to have to change my mind. Just like they don't want to change their mind on all these conspiracies.
These people are the reason society is going to collapse, not 13 powerful families. I honestly didn't even know that was a thing. I've heard of the New World Order (how can you read Lumie without knowing that?), but never heard of this 13 family shit. So I immediately lapsed into talking about The Pentavrate, which includes Colonel Sanders, with his wee beady eyes. They were not amused.
How crazy could we get someone to go?
Roswell is different in my mind because of a few things. The actual facts surrounding Roswell is what's up for debate, lets not forget that the first official response from the government was it was an alien space craft. I find it hard to believe that anyone at an Air force base could confuse a craft capable of interstellar space travel for a weather balloon. My grandfather was actually at Roswell, New Mexico when whatever it was that crashed. I have discharge papers proving he was there along with 87 pages of his honorable discharge summary. I would love to read it but when they gave it to him they made a copy, blacked out every word that wasn't a, and, or, but, of, the, and then made a copy of that and gave him that. If you put aside his story, the fact that my grandfather was there and the unit he was in (the 509) which was dismantled shortly after the Roswell incident. If you aren't familiar with the 509 that was the group that was responsible for dropping the atomic bombs and the Enola Gay was at Roswell when the incident happened.
As for the actual story my grandfather told I don't have time to get into depth and the story is now 2nd hand account of what happened and even first hand account is the lowest form of evidence scientifically. His story wasn't all that crazy to be honest with you, he claimed 2 ships crashed one destroyed another intact. He said they never found any bodies that he was aware of and described them as unmanned craft, the thing that leads me to believe my grandfather is that he described to me touch panels back in 1987. What truly happened I nor most of us will never know, but I promise you these people wouldn't confuse a fucking weather balloon with a space craft, maybe some local joe dirt farmer but not Air Force investigators.
I don't really lower my opinion of someone if they love conspiracy theories. I think it's just excitement for mystery that gets away from them. It's only when they start letting it affect their lives that I start getting concerned. Having a bugout bag in your trunk or having water/food/ammo storage is perfectly reasonable. But some shit people do is retarded.
I know how to survive an alien attack. I watched a few episodes of Falling Skies.
That show is so bad its like they are intentionally aiming for B movie comedy.
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The Myrtles Plantation in St. Francisville, LA is considered one of the most haunted places in da world, according to some shit. My friend's family owns a few cottages down the road from The Myrtles, and we would occasionally get wasted and sleep in some of the cottages for a weekend getaway. During one of these occasions, the owner of the Myrtles, friends with my friend's mom, came over and had a few drinks with us.
He admitted to the plantation having some spooky stuff go on from time to time, but he also admitted to having a complete package of shit he prepares to scare people that stay at the place. He mentioned things like hidden AC vents so people feel 'that cold feeling' passing through them, noises throughout the night playing on speakers, and all kinds of other bullshit shit.
So, for what its worth, guys like him exist.
different is when you start bringing alien conspiracy, mystic secret societies centuries old and shit like that
For example, here in italy in the '80 it was discovered a massonic lodge called P2 where over a hundreds of the most influencing people of our country were part of (wiki has a well done english page Propaganda_Due). They did have crazy shit like semi-religious rituals, even a meeting room with esoteric symbols. Most of them were just a bunch of egomaniacal powerhungry bastards but others however did have a sort of distorted political and social idea of democracy
you also got to consider that in our country the communist and socialist party were getting very strong. there was the chance that for the first time a communist party with strong ties with the URSS would go to government in a democratic election. It's something that scared shitless every "west world" country.
i'm sure things like this exists in every country. Group of people with the direct intent not only to become more rich, but to influence politic to fit their mentality
so, it's not scifi stuff.....but ppl bring conspiracy theories way too far
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mystic secretative societies
sooooo vatican city?
See here is the thing that makes me think about it.
The way the really rich operate they don't give all their inheritance to their children. They setup a corporate bank and that trust loans them money at like 0.1% interest, that they repay and pass on to the next generation, you can also stipulate how that money is to be spent in a will. If you have enough money your "will" can live well after your body is rotting, the "will" of a rich secret society could be influential well after people are dead and buried. so in those terms money trusts can live hundreds of years. a couple centuries is nothing to large institutions and trusts, just because your life is short doesn't mean there isn't influence from past lives.
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I live in a Manor House that was built in the early 1600s, have done for just over a year now. It's the perfect place for ghost shenanigans: there's a secret underground tunnel to the church in the entrance hall, derelict hidden passages to old servants quarters, there's a constant draught coming from everywhere as the walls are made out of animal furs, reeds and dung.
Every other week or so some wierd stuff will happen. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I'll see a dark shape in the corner of the room, strange groaning/rumbling noises, sudden drops in temperature etc etc. At first it freaked me out, but being a rational person, I could explain virtually all of it away. It's so frequent though that now I just dismiss it as an annoyance and ignore it/try and get back to sleep.
It's funny looking back, but in the 3rd week I was here I woke up in the middle of the night and I was sure I saw a ghost. At the bottom of my bed and off up to the left there was a distinct light in the shape of a figure. I was absolutely paralysed with fright, but putting it down to a trick of the light I shut my eyes then opened them again expecting it to be gone. When I opened my eyes it was still there, as clear as day.
Even though I'm in my 30s I found myself shivering under my duvet, just hoping it would go away. In the end I grabbed my Nintendo DS off the nightstand and carried on playing Dragon Quest V. After about 30 minutes or so I found the courage to look to see if it was still there and it had gone. With relief I saved my game and went back to sleep.
It took me about a week to get back to bed normally without my brain conjuring up images of Alma in my minds eye. The figure didn't appear again for a couple of months, but when it did I realised it was just a reflection of the moon off my car windscreen shining through a gap in the curtains.
Yeah, fuck that. I don't believe in ghosts, and I realize that there's a rational explanation. On the other hand, I've experienced genuine night terrors before and I am not about to live somewhere that plays on those fears when I'm trying to fall asleep.
If the porn isn't high res you can't get horny, but you can hate a guy at 1000 paces without a scope. That's human nature.
I've had a long time interest in the paranormal, and tried to find an explanation for it that both allows for people to experience and witness truly fucked up shit (alien abductions, other dimensions, etc) without them lying about it, and without it breaking too much of what we know about this universe. It appeared to be a futile effort until I started to read about psychedelics, especially Dimethyltryptamine, or DMT. This is one of the most powerful psychedelic compounds known to man and is manufactured naturally in most living organisms, including in humans (it's also an illegal substance, so the next time you go through customs, remember that both you and the customs officers have controlled substances on you! ). Apparently not much is known about why we produce this, or what it's function is, as it seems to normally occur in too small a dosage to produce a psychedelic reaction.
However, in the early 90's Dr. Rick Strassman performed experiments on people with DMT and recorded their reactions to it. First of all, the visions they saw were described along the lines of "more real than real" or some such, that is, had they not known they were undergoing an experiment they would have believed what they saw to have actually happened. Many had what they described as a religious experience. About half had an encounter with non-human intelligence, and at least one person underwent an alien abduction. Needless to say the experiments were all performed in a hospital with Dr. Strassman and a nurse observing, and they, of course never saw any of these things.
What is noteworthy of this research is the following. It is hypothetically possible for the human body to produce the psychedelic DMT, which will cause the subject to experience something out of this world, without knowing himself that it is not actually real. For me, this is what I have found to be the answer to most paranormal and religious experiences documented, without having to resort to either believing the witness to be lying, or that something actually did happen in this physical universe.
Dr. Strassman's book, DMT: The Spirit Molecule, is a must read for anyone interested in this subject. A documentary has also been made about this with interviews with Strassman and some of the participants, but it lacks a lot of the science, background and issues raised in his book. You should be able to find the book on Amazon, and possibly an e-book version somewhere. The documentary trailer is here, and you should be able to find a torrent of it somewhere.
here is a writeup on rods/cones. and the two light sensitivity receptors.
Basically, rods are more numbered. Can see color, and are sharper.
Cones are fewer in number. can only see black and white. have LESS resolution. But can see in the dark much much more.
The point I was making in general though is, our senses are very subjective. even the world we "know" is filtered through fallible sensory organs.
Taste can be altered by messing with our taste buds. We are well aware of the visible light spectrum being not remotely the full gamut of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Actually, I only heard of this recently..
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Ghosts in your bedroom, night terrors? It sounds like you guys were scared already and that's causing you to have these issues. It's like a little kid watching a scary movie before bed, chances are pretty high that they are going to have a nightmare over it and/or be scared through the night.
Personally I don't believe in ghosts necessarily, at least not the ghosts that most people would think of. I think that spirits are more than reasonable to believe in though. What are we? A bunch of matter, sure, but what are we? Our personalities, ourselves? We're a combination of matter and energy, while we're alive those two things are inextricably linked but what happens after that link is broken? What happens when we die? That matter doesn't just vanish, it's still there of course. If the matter doesn't vanish then why do we assume that the energy vanishes? That seems silly to me. Who knows what happens exactly but in my view it seems reasonable to think that what makes us continues on in some way, not simply the matter continuing on as something else in the universe but also the energy or whatever it is that made up our mind and personality.
I don't think that science has been able to determine what exactly it is that makes us "us." I think that anyone who has had truly personal and close relationships can agree that there's something more to it than each of brains simply being powered and that's that, we aren't machines even if that's what some people would like to think. There's something higher going on that makes each of us unique and special, it's not something that's easily explained and it's not something that has been explained.
Anyway I just found it a bit sad that people are afraid of ghosts or spirits or whatever it is, I was just trying to make you guys feel better. If there are ghosts, spirits, whatever that energy inside of us is, then there would certainly be good versions as well, likely many more good versions than there would be bad versions. And they definitely aren't going to look like "ghosts" as in the type of ghosts that you see in the movies or have in your head, they wouldn't even be visible to your eyes, if they exist then they aren't even visible to any instrumentation that we have now or they would have been discovered.
So yeah, don't worry about stuff like that, it's silly. You should be confident and comfortable knowing that even if such things exist that, just like humans, there are many, many more good ones than there are bad ones. And on top of that they aren't able to do anything to you anyway, you can't even see them or tell that they are there. Don't worry about such things, this is not something that should scare you at all.
I found a ghost bros.... what should i do
Grimmlokk's title looks sorta like the bottom of the pacman ghost
IT'Z A CONSPIRACY!!
I have only had one really hard to explain experience. I remember posting this back on FoH.
1st grade, friend is having a sleepover. There are 7 children invited. The friend's mother is going out for the evening and hired a baby sitter. We stay up, eat pizza, play games, watch a non-scary movie. Time for bed, kids are spread all over the floor of his room. Lights go out, ghost stories begin. Usual campy stupid stuff. Then the light bulb in his bedside lamp pops. Shorts out? It was off, but there was a spark and the filament blew. That scares everyone and they run out of the bedroom and up to the living room which was on the second floor where the baby sitter is watching t.v. It was a split level apartment.
There was probably a short or a surge and was just coincidence on the timing, for the light bulb popping.
Anyways, no one wants to go back downstairs. Baby sitter is getting kind of annoyed. Everyone was upstairs at this point hanging around the top of the stairs. I decide to be brave and be the first to go down. I get to the bottom of the stairs. I remember this image clearly. The landing and hallway had inset lighting in the ceiling. So all the light was coming straight down, which caused the room to appear very dark. The friend never picked up his toys and the hallway was a mess. His bike was laying at the bottom of the stairs on it's side and I was standing over it. Anyways, before venturing into the pitch black room, I decided to test the waters a little bit. I looked around for something to throw and found a hard plastic/rubber Apatosaurus toy. It was reddish brown on the back and had a green belly.
I tossed it underhand into the room by gripping it's tail, but I do not hear it land. That makes me pause for a moment and then I look back up towards everyone who was crowded around the top of the stairs. So at this point I am staring the whole party in the face, and I just shrug, when I heard a whooshing sound. I looked left just in time to see the toy dinosaur fly out of the dark room and past my face. It wasn't tumbling end over end, it just flew straight, all four feet pointed at the ground, and punched through the sheet rock in the wall next to me, leaving a fist sized hole. The dinosaur comes to rest on the spokes of the bike tire along with sheet rock debris.
Everyone freaks out and I run up the stairs two at a time once it sinks in what just happened. No one goes downstairs for the rest of the night. The friend's mom is really pissed when she sees the hole and the babysitter tells her what she saw and that she doesn't know what happened. My friend still gets grounded.
The easy explanation is that an unknown person entered the apartment. But there was only one door to the whole place and narrow windows on the ground floor that were hard to get in through and noisy as hell when you opened them. These units were cheap apartments. And for them to be hanging out right where I would randomly decide to toss a toy is pretty strange. Due to the apartment's layout, the person had to have been waiting in either the mother's room, or the bathroom. and then snuck into the friend's bedroom after we all ran out. They would have had to have been waiting silently for about 40 minutes minimum while we told ghost stories. Also this person would have had to sneak back out of the apartment silently in the hour or so window of time before the mother came home, with the whole house filled with spooked kids listening for every bump, without using the front door. Like I said the windows on the ground floor were a pain to open, and set high and narrow like a basement apartment. And then the final bit, They had to have been fucking stupid to throw a toy that hard, a quarter inch away from a kid's face.
That is still the most probably explanation I suppose, and it has been suggested that the babysitter might have brought in her boyfriend... but just thinking about that image of that dinosaur toy flying through the air without tumbling still spooks me.
asking this again: is anyone aware of Lumie's internet activities after the (failed) apocalypse? i'm curious about what new crazyness he's spreading
What happened anyway? Why did FoH suddenly vanish?
And someone needs to get Lumie back in this forum...
There's nothing mysterious about what happened to FoH, why it....simply disappeared.
I dunno. None of that guys posts are calling someone a 'fucking retard'. Doesn't smell like Lumie.
Idk.. with the way they give out ribbons and medals these days it might be possible... hell I had 3 rows of ribbons after one enlistment.
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He has posted in an EQ thread on here.
I guess Lumie is gone? I'll necro the thread and recommend that anyone who isn't already to start following @horse_ebooks on twitter.
I've found the Zen spam of @horse_ebooks to be quite soothing in these hectic times.
Unexplained experience I had from when I was a kid:
Brought up in an Evangelical Christian household, Church every week and went to a Christian school from the ages of 11-16. Family holidays to Florida were for Evangelical Church conferences just as much as a few days in Disney. As a kid I believed but found Church boring.
When I was 11/12 went on a school camping trip, camping in a national park that was still open to the public. Felt a bit uneasy/scared about sleeping in a tent in a park that was accessible by anyone. Was sharing a tent with a friend and when we told the school secretary she prayed with us that we wouldn't be scared anymore.
A short while later I looked at my friend and said "are you feeling what I'm feeling", he said he was about to ask me the same thing...I felt completely at peace and at ease and have never felt like that before or since.
As a kid I was used to prayer, being prayed for and praying for things I wanted...if I fell over and grazed my knee my mum would respond by praying over it. No prayer ever had such a powerful effect. Can't really explain it, especially as it was the school secretary who previously I had limited contact with (therefore less empathy)
I can explain it in two words: Placebo effect.
So not unexplained at all.
the secretary was scared of getting abducted and raped in the park. You felt better because she didn't.
Right. Because prayer has quantifiably been disproven to do anything. Including curing your scraped knees, and your insecurities while camping as a retarded adolescent on the cusp of puberty.
To be fair, Tide is only a reaction intermediate.
Prayer hacks your brain buddy.
(insert Matrix music here)
Since this is the batshit insane thread - I will list the one batshit insane thing I do on a weekly basis:
I buy lottery tickets (Powerball, Megamillions - depending on which is larger).
The odds of me winning said lottery are only a little less than the odds of me spontaneously combusting.
Yet, I buy in the belief I'll win in the next few years....
Three years ago I was sure I'd win by 2012, Now I'm confident I'll win by 2015 ;-) Unless it's 2015 then I'm confident it'll be by 2018...
No, science does not disagree.
These tests were conducted by real scientists, not neurotheologists, which is exactly what NPR calls the people who think prayer alters the brain.
From the NPR link
The field is called "neurotheology," and although it is new, it's drawing prominent researchers in the U.S. and Canada.Spoiler:
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