I can't believe the Twins got nothing for Denard Span but got a #3 pitcher and a prospect for Ben Revere.
Also, the Twins now have zero lead off hitters.
where do you think hamilton will end up?
most of the contracts so far are pretty ridiculous. the napoli and uehara signings are the only reasonable ones.
I can't believe the Twins got nothing for Denard Span but got a #3 pitcher and a prospect for Ben Revere.
Also, the Twins now have zero lead off hitters.
Makes me think had they waited for the string of CFs to sign before dealing Span they probably could have received more.
I just don't get how Span commands so little no matter what the market is, he's a top 10, possibly 5 lead of hitter.
As long as Hamilton doesn't end up in Cincy I couldn't care less. Locker room poison that man is.
I'm very pumped about this news.
Ludwick, Reds agree to two-year deal
Ludwick was clutch in the brief playoff run. And he stepped up big time when Votto went out. He was the biggest must re-sign FA for us. Now it's time to look for some strong hitters.
Young to Philles deal done.
I'll miss you, Face.
If you guys do a fantasy league this year I'd like in.
Even though I know it will never happen, I keep wishing that some club would offer the Yankees enough money for Afraud so we could finally get rid of him.
Grienke to the Dodgers, all but confirmed.
147mill over 6 years makes it the second most lucrative contract for a pitcher in MLB history. Seems like a bit of an overpay to me personally.
Yeah, he was well positioned this offseason.
Glad the Rangers didn't really jump in on that.
So if this deal goes through for Greinke, the dodgers are looking at a committed payroll of 222 million. It would be the first time in more then a decade someone out spent the Mfing Yankees.
I never understood the exorbitant spending in baseball. Baseball has way too many variables that factor into a team being "good". It isn't like football or basketball, where a dominant power forward or quarterback can instantly transform a .500 team into a major contender. Spending that much on a guy that only plays once a week just doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make sense for the regular season, but pitching wins championships. When the postseason starts, and you have a Kershaw and Grienke, that's 3-4 wins per series if they pitch like they are paid to.
ballsy ass move by the Royals. I really don't think Davis and Shields are enough for them to get a wild card yet, and they just let 6 years of Myers go to TB. Sure he hasn't done anything in the majors yet, but if he hits 70% as well there, the Rays dun good
Ballsy? No, just plain bad.
Rays win again. What an awful trade for KC. Shields/Davis are two gascans. Shields is overrated and will go down the tube when he's not pitching in any "big games". Big Game James ... dumbest nickname I've ever heard given to an athlete for not doing anything to earn it next to Matty Ice.
Shields was one of the most important players on the rays during the 4 year stretch where they made the playoffs 3 times. If you think pitching 200 innings with 200 strikeouts every year for a low payroll team is overrated then you do not know baseball.
Anyhow i read up on the prospects, Myers is supposed to be a beast. Keep in mind that that the royals current big league roster is full of these bigtime prospects. Eventually you have to actually start to win in the majors, not the minors. The royals really had no way to get pitching, they haven't been as savy as Billy Beane.
Anyhow this really is only bad for the royals if Myers becomes a perennial all-star. If the royals make the playoffs or even just contend the next three years its worth it for a club that has been as bad or worse then the Pirates.
it was a stupid trade. you don't get rid of prospects that can be used to build a solid team unless you're a contender.
2010: 187 (5.18 ERA!)
So he hit 200 twice. He's a decent #2 or 3, wouldn't come close to calling him an ace. Anyways, maybe KC makes the playoffs next year they are in a pathetic division. Nonetheless, 2 years of Shields' is not worth the 6+ you would have kept of Myers, Odorizzi, etc.
Oh they could have gotten pitching; they could have kept their prospects and signed Annibal Sanchez who is comparable to Shields and 3 years younger if they weren't so cheap. Myers is going to be a beast, TB will have him hitting cleanup this season.
He's a really good pitcher, that's not the issue here. The issue is that the Royals aren't going to be contenders in the 2 years they have control of him, so sending your best prospect away when you aren't ready now just really doesn't make sense. Unless their scouts don't think he's as good as his numbers are or something, it doesn't make a lot of sense
Sounding like the Phils are going to land Josh Hamilton by nights end..Not sure If I actually even want the guy..
that was a fake tweet. i think he'll end up with texas or seattle
I dunno.. Phils have a pretty good track record of landing a guy when rumors are out there.
Just what the Phillies need to do sign Hamilton for 5 years for 100+ million and he can spend most of it on injured reserve
Since Seattle signed Jason Bay and Dodgers spent another 200+ million this off season, I'm thinking Hamilton goes back to Texas.
Free-agent slugger Josh Hamilton agreed to a five-year, $125 million contract Thursday with the Los Angeles Angels, sources told ESPN.com.
Hamilton's former team, the Texas Rangers, had been in negotiations to retain the 2010 MVP. Hamilton's camp had also reportedly met with the Mariners at the winter meetings.
Hamilton, 31, has batted .304 in his big-league career, all but 90 games of it in Texas. He has provided big power in the middle of the Rangers' lineup, helping the team to World Series appearances in 2010 and '11.
Hamilton hit .285 with 43 homers and 128 RBIs in an inconsistent 2012 season that didn't finish well; a vision problem caused him to miss five games, he struggled offensively and he had an error in the AL West-deciding loss to Oakland.
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Those are some ugly contracts (Pujols and Hamilton) in 3 years... Angels better hope they can win a WS before then.
Bah. Was hoping Hamilton would land in Boston. Now we most likely settle for that douche, Swisher.
Wow that's a giant leap of faith IMO .. Hopefully they get 2 good years out of it
Hamilton was a $25m player exactly two months out of last season. He was checked out during a stretch where the team really could have used THAT guy. I'm betting they might get a full season out of him once.
Meanwhile, I think this is a good time to bring up Leonys Martin. People talked about what Cespedis did for the As but Martin was a guy who kept Cespedis on the bench in the Cuban League. Him to CF, Profar to 2b, Kinsler to 1b... feels good man.
Heh Angels grab CJ Wilson one year Hamilton the next. I see the rangers taking a hard look at Swisher.
Has anyone else just lost interest in baseball? I can't even get excited for it. My team the Phillies, who I loved for years have turned into what we always talked shit about.. the Yankees. I fucking hate it. When we won our WS, we did it with our guys. I admire the small market teams like Oakland who figure out a way. Baseball is just losing it's appeal
Yeah I'd rather the Rangers keep trying to do it mostly from within than go fully Yankee mode (even the Yankees are cutting payroll though).
Jurickson Profar, Mike Olt (if he's not traded), and Leonys Martin should get some major burn time this year.
Mariners are going to end up with Jason Bay as the prize of their offseason.
I think for the next year or so your going to see teams trading away money for more team budget players and prospects.
This off season has been crazy, Boston dumping money on players like Napoli, Dempster, etc... you'd think they would learn their lesson.
[QUOTE=Duppin;16860]Mariners are going to end up with Jason Bay as the prize of their offseason.[/QUOTE
Least they removed Chone Figgins. Here's hoping Ackley, Montero and Smoak have decent years since I actually go to Mariner games.
the napoli signing is one of the more reasonable ones this year
I don't know if the Cubs fans should be happy or mad
I haven't really lost interest in baseball, it's just I can't get excited for it until half way through the season.
I get the whole shedding a shitload of salary the way the Sox did, but the timing just before such a mediocre free agent class seems fairly odd.
So looks like the Jays are getting Dickey from the Mets. Jays sure are trying hard this upcoming season to get into the playoffs, they've added close to 20 wins. Mets are also getting back a nice package of prospects.
Yeah AL East is going to be interesting
The 2 LA franchises are really good at spending a shit ton of money so that they can finish in 6th and 7th place in their respective leagues.
People like to use the lack of a salary cap in baseball as a scapegoat for not liking the sport. For the most part, though, if you look at the last 15-20 years (my knowledge of the sport doesn't go back further than that) there is very little correlation between amount of money spent/number of all stars signed and success. Unlike football where you can sign a Peyton Manning and go from an 8 win team to a 12/13 win team, baseball is a lot more about cohesion.
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I think baseball would benefit more from a salary floor than it would a cap.
that's not necessarily true. the yankees won quite a few world series by buying every free agent and effectively raising salary ceilings so that other teams couldn't afford to compete. there's a little more parity nowadays but some teams aren't able to keep up due to lack of revenue or sheer frugality (blue jays).
Blue Jays are trying to make a run now though!
Last 11 Super Bowls vs 11 World Series:
N.E. 3 Super Bowl wins
NYY 2 World Series wins
Football has had 7 unique Winners, Baseball 8 unique Winners.
(*note, these stats are from an argument I had with a buddy of this very subject, and are either a year or two old. Since the winners of the last WS and Superbowl were both repeat winners, it shouldn't change the point that much.)
Here is a great write-up on money translating to wins in baseball: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...oney-and-wins/
So hereís the point: Wins and salaries are closely tied, but the relationship between the two has changed over time. There is no doubt that some of the change has been random, or the simple result of individual team successes and failures, but some of it also seems to be related to structural changes in the game. The current state of the game? Despite the outrageous spending ways of the Yankees, itís settled into a pattern that is more competitive than any previous time period, other than the years of collusion.
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Can't wait. Lol.
Yeah, not very happy about that.
What, you aren't excited at the prospects of Hector Noesi filling a rotation spot next season?
Seriously though, what don't you like about it? Seems like a side-grade to me but I think Vargas was going to take a hit in his numbers because of the fences coming in so if you wanted to trade him, this was the off-season to do it. Morales hopefully means that Smoak can spend a year tearing up AAA and building up some trade-value equity again.
It's less at-bats for Smoak and Montero to develop. There isn't enough talent available at this point to make the Mariners into a contender, so they need to treat 2013 as another developmental year.
You don't think they option Smoak leaving Montero and Morales to split AB's between 1B/DH? That is what I would do...
Also going with your "developmental" year, this really does open up a rotation spot for one (or more) of the big 3.
I don't think they will, no. Smoak really has nothing left to learn in AAA, and it'd lower his already low perceived value.
I don't think any of the pitching options they have internally will be ready to contribute at the beginning of the year, so they'll have to go outside the organization for a stopgap.
Told you three years ago that Smoak wasn't going to be all that hot. Though you got Blake Bevin out of the deal, so I guess its a push.
You should get a job being a paid analyst then, since you were right about Smoak when everyone else was wrong.
Sometimes prospects don't develop, and pretending you saw something that nobody else did is stupid.
If the Mariners were really serious they'd sign Swisher and trade some of their prospect pile of pitchers for a young dynamic bat. Ackely needs to stop regressing and Montero needs to break out.
I was a Montero fan when he was a yankee and even though the trade for either team hasn't really worked out yet, I think he will be an important piece for them. I'd also take him back for Ivan Nova
The word is that Swisher doesn't really want to come here.
Fuck you, Mariners.
Message sent. Pretty impressive list of names were eligible for the HOF today. No one made it in. Not sure how guys like Boggs, Piazza. and Bagwell with zero evidence on them are left out.
Curt left out to, I guess a lot of voters from Rhode Island.
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I would like to see Bagwell and Biggio go in together but likely it won't happen. Biggio had the highest vote total this time around.
The baseball writers need to all die and they get new voters.
What REALLY annoys me is that the writers just arbitrarily decide who used steroids and who didn't based on past news coverage. The more famous guys who had to testify are completely stained while some others go completely under the radar, while they also almost certainly used PEDs. And by that I mean Piazza and Bagwell who were around 60% while all the more famous players were significantly lower despite having a better case.
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Of course it's retarded. I mean Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron didn't get 100 percent of the votes. What the shit is that.
Bagwell I can try and understand...but Biggio? Come on man, 68.2? I'm out, it's been fun caring about the HoF.
Jack Morris 68%, Curt Schilling 39%. All jokes aside about Curt's endeavors after baseball. How in the world did the writers come to this conclusion? Nothing against Morris, but Schilling is heads and tails above him. Those early Phillie's teams he was on were just awful, and really hurt his win total. He edged out these guys though. Schilling gets 38.8% -- more than Clemens (37%) and Bonds (36.2).
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Just for some lulz, the ballot results...Whomever voted for Aaron Sele should be stripped of their voting rights, as a few others.
Ballots Cast: 569
Needed for Election: 427
Players with less than 5% are removed from future ballots, but remain eligible for election by special committee.
2013 BBHOF Balloting
VOTES PLAYER %
388 Craig Biggio 68.20%
385 Jack Morris 67.70%
339 Jeff Bagwell 59.60%
329 Mike Piazza 57.80%
297 Tim Raines 52.20%
272 Lee Smith 47.80%
221 Curt Schilling 38.80%
214 Roger Clemens 37.60%
206 Barry Bonds 36.20%
204 Edgar Martinez 35.90%
191 Alan Trammell 33.60%
123 Larry Walker 21.60%
118 Fred McGriff 20.70%
106 Dale Murphy 18.60%
96 Mark McGwire 16.90%
75 Don Mattingly 13.20%
71 Sammy Sosa 12.50%
50 Rafael Palmeiro 8.80%
19 Bernie Williams 3.30%
18 Kenny Lofton 3.20%
16 Sandy Alomar Jr. 2.80%
6 Julio Franco 1.10%
5 David Wells 0.90%
4 Steve Finley 0.70%
2 Shawn Green 0.40%
1 Aaron Sele 0.20%
0 Jeff Cirillo 0.00%
0 Royce Clayton 0.00%
0 Jeff Conine 0.00%
0 Roberto Hernandez 0.00%
0 Ryan Klesko 0.00%
0 Jose Mesa 0.00%
0 Reggie Sanders 0.00%
0 Mike Stanton 0.00%
0 Todd Walker 0.00%
0 Rondell White 0.00%
0 Woody Williams
I've been around both Bagwell and Biggio twice for an extended period of time as a guide at ranch in South, TX and they were both hunting. Both were nicer than the average guy who came down there to hunt.
Schilling has pretty much the best post season pitching record of the modern era, which I imagine has to count for something.
Honestly, the whole steroid thing is dumb...I'm sure this shit happened in the 70s and 80s as well. People having been using hax in baseball forever.
Amphetamines were widely and openly used during the exact era of baseball that so many of these writers remember as the "good old days", and those arguably have a more direct effect on actual baseball performance than steroids.
It's ridiculous and history won't look back well on this crop of BBWAA voters.
Just about all the HoFs are horseshit though. Look at the NFL one. Art Monk had to go to committee to get in and Chris Carter still isn't in. Also how the fuck is Tim Raines still not in.
My reaction to Biggio not getting in was "Fuck Baseball" and I didn't turn on anything sports related the rest of the day.
This years ballot vote was a complete fucking joke.
they offered furbush, #1, 3, and 6 prospects in the mariners system
i think it would have been a fair offer without taijuan walker, the # 4 prospect in baseball and first in the mariners system
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