Galactic Empire. Report on them!
No stupid answers, use this so we can flame each other in the politics thread
I'm fairly conservative on most issues. Voted for Obama last election so I'm not married to the D or the R like most people.
Liberal on social issues, libertarian on foreign policy. Would never be registered or affiliated with any political party but am forced to vote (D) now since they are the only party that's demonstrably pro-science. Will choose dems I guess. If as many people that claim to be libertarian actually voted libertarian, they might start winning an election here and there.
I tend to want to vote Libertarian or Republican. I find myself not doing so because of some glaring disagreement. Yes I like a free market. No I don't want to secede nor do I believe creationism is the way to go. Yes I believe we shouldn't obliterate the environment. Please stop shooting loggers and throwing paint on women in fur coats. My problem is crazy people I think. They seem to be everywhere.
I'll take the center path.
I am all over the map, I vote for whoever seems to be lying the least and doesn't keep sayin the same stupid shit as the party line. I voted for Ralph Nader and Bo Gritz, can't get more diametrically opposed.
Seems like a cop out if someone votes R or D for every major election of the last few cycles yet chooses centrist or libertarian. If you voted for Obama twice and a Dem for Senator and House Rep. then own that shit.
The poll was affiliation, not persuasion. I didn't see an option to vote for the Centrist Party on my ballot. If you have voted D 12 out of 13 times, you are affiliated with the D's whether you are registered with them or not.
Ya I'm about the same, but since about halfway through GWB I've been forced to vote D. I'm a registered independent and definitely believe in a centrist style of governance, but had to choose D since that what I vote. Just semantics though, who really gives a shit, heh.
Selected libertarian due to being fiscal conservative and social liberal. Legalize gambling, weed, and prostitution to reduce burden and cost of law enforcement. Increased science, education, research, and clean energy spending. I'm a veteran and very pro-military, but support decreased military spending via non-intervention and vastly fewer overseas bases. Support hardcore separation of church and state and religious freedom. I'm a gun owner and against assault weapons ban. Pro-choice mainly for fiscal reasons. Support social safety nets, but favor increased scrutiny and more stringent requirements on welfare and medicare. Support socialized medicine since every socialized medicine system on the planet is more cost-effective in terms of % of GDP and per-capita spending. For flat tax on both citizens and corporations. There should be no such thing as non-profit and no such thing as capital gains. All income flat taxed.
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Neutral good. All over the place on things. Usually forced to go D though. Interested in a common sense party if that ever gets started.
When I lived in Alaska for 12 years pretty much voted repub unless they were batshit crazy religious nut bags. For every sane repub like Lisa Murkowski there was a bat shit insane one like Don Young. Since moving to WA it's been pretty much democrat so take it as you will.
Social Anxiety? Yeah fuck you, you dont get SSDI.
Because the lower your income, the higher of a percentage of your income gets taxed on must have necessities which will inevitably leave you with less money to put into savings, investments, education, etc. If the cost of groceries, gas, and electricity suddenly jumps 17%, a family of 4 with an income of $50,000 suddenly has a lot less disposable income and social mobility.
No Green option so I voted other, but realistically its Democrats.
Technocratic wibbleh wonkeh with a gregariously flippant desire to bans berets. Fuck berets. And ascots too
Conservative when it comes to fiscal policy and foreign policy, liberal when it comes to everything else. Ergo, I vote Democrat. Voting Republican is currently idiotic, and voting Libertarian is usually at least as idiotic as voting Republican. The fact that every fucking Libertarian you've ever heard of runs as a Republican is evidence of this.
Elizabeth Warren, right now, feels like the only politician with balls. She could rip the damn head off of a lion. I'm for the fuck bankers (no lube, no foreplay, no courtesy reach around) party.
Furthermore, Republicans and Democrats are not R------D, and it's not C-------L (it's C-------K or C------T). Both parties, for the most part, <3 that government enforces property rights, provides liberty for its citizens, and allows 55 year old men who are balding, fat, and soulless with many opportunities to bang impressionable, 21-25 year old females.
It's really going to depend on your State a LOT.
I just don't like democrats in this state. The republicans are slightly less terrible... or they're equally terrible but in a way which I'm less concerned about.
Nationally? I've voted D about as often as R for Representative. Voted against Burr, and for Dole (both R-Senators -- I was in the minority each vote). Voted for Clinton, then against him. Voted against Bush, and then for him. Abstained totally with Obama, and then voted against Romney.
So by some metrics I'd be centrist, but I do consider myself a conservative. I just think a lot of other conservatives are fucking stupid... that doesn't mean that loliberals are smart. I don't think there is any one Dogma to rule them all, any one party that knows all the answers, any one answer for every situation and I find that sentiment echoed more often locally among the (R) leaning than among the (D) leaning.
But in a different state that would be entirely different.
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Voted for libertarian even though I dislike the people who cry libertarian when they are really just republican. I'd like to see the USA break apart into smaller micro countries though mostly of my hatred of the south and bible thumping midwest.
I'm still a damned Canadian!
My politics are a mix of social liberalism with fiscal conservatism and a healthy dose of leave_me_the_fuck_alone_ism. As expected, no party seems to really capture my allegiance.
So there's no such thing as a conservative democrat anymore? What happened to the blue dog? No centrist R and D's? I'm registered D and lean left, so I took that, but I generally consider myself centric. I guess other is there for a reason, but its pretty sad that you reflexively lump parties with ideology. Understandable, but unfortunate.
Voted liberal. I have centrist/conservative leanings when it comes to specific issues, but with the way the parties are currently aligned, I cannot put myself in the Rep. camp at all. You cannot support batshit crazy and expect things to turn out well. Batshit crazy just breeds more batshit crazy.
In crazy land I probably am labeled as communist.
I voted centrist. I've been trying to get (D)s in charge because my state, Florida, is run by (R)s and both it and the nation are a bit too far to the right. I do not appreciate shit like voter suppression in my democracy, and my representatives think that's cool. Also I'm pro-science, I want to see us colonize mars and shit. The (D)s aren't making any progress in that regard, but the (R)s are denying evolution and climate change. That really doesn't engender my support.
That said, not all (R)s are assholes. I think if we had a different voting system that supported smaller parties, they wouldn't take such an alienating view as they had to garner the support of those smaller parties. Florida is run pretty damn well, and the (R)s are a part of it.
I always vote straight ticket D, but that's because the R's are fucking crazy and can't be allowed in power. Now, that being said, this very morning I find myself listening to NPR and hearing about some gun control laws being passed by the Colorado House and there's an R Rep on there saying that "These are bullshit, they're not gonna stop anyone from being killed, and all this is is feel good legislation that's not gonna change a thing," and I agree with him.
Just because D is the centrist party now doesn't mean that there aren't centrists. Make no mistake about it, if the major political parties were actually on either side of the center line, I wouldn't be voting straight ticket D.
Other. I have never voted and will not vote in the near future.
I dislike the current association between politics and government as I believe that they require very different skills. I would be in favour of a system based on merit, which people applying for each government position in the same way that people apply for corporate jobs.
I know that people are going to say that I am disrespectful to those who died to give me the right to vote. My opinion is that voting is disrespectful to these people as they did not fight and die to give us what we have, they fought for something better and we settled for a shitty version of democracy.
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other methods that have been tried." - Winston Churchill.
Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative. As a result, I have voted straight D for the last decade or two, with a couple specific exceptions. Until we get an actual non crazy version of the GOP back, that is how it is going to remain.
668 The Neighbor of the Beast.
Originally Posted by Erronious
Where's the "just make shit work" option?
A sentence is worth a thousand words.
serious question, why would anyone formally register as any political party? they send you a free shirt or some shit? having your name on any list sounds like bad idea in general to me.
Primaries are a good reason. Better to have more middle ground people there than the crazies that tend to vote in them. Balances things out some over the long term.
I'd consider myself a centrist. I definitely have no problems voting for either party. I think both parties bring good things to the table and help balance each other out when they compromise. Of course the big caveat is that I won't vote for the GOP in its current form after they ran out all the moderates. The hard line approach I feel is destructive and ensures that no one (in both parties) really gets what they want.
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I tend to be empirically minded and a bit of a nihilistic, so I reluctantly vote Democratic. Unfortunately, with our 2 party system, it's less about voting for who best reflects your interests than voting for whichever polished turd is the most viable/marketable product.
I consider myself centrist, but it's all relative. In Canadian politics I'd be centrist, in American politics I'd be liberal/progressive, in European politics I'd be conservative. In provincial and federal elections I've voted primarily for the Liberal party Federally, and a mix of Liberal/Progressive Conservative in provincial elections. I signed up to a week long membership with the provincial PC's just so I could participate in the leadership vote 5 or so years back (they win all the elections anyways, my vote counted for much more there), but otherwise have never been an active or declared political party member. For the most part, that kind of thing is very rare in Canada. The average person does not consider themselves to be "Liberal" or "Conservative" the way Americans do.
I consider myself a centrist, though I put D in the poll because that is how I've largely voted the last 10 years. I was a hard core Republican through high school, college and my time in the military; it was only after I left the military, and realized that I had only heard one side of the story for most of my life, that I began to explore the other side's arguments and started changing my views.
I voted Libertarian in the last 2 elections. But since I live where I do it doesn't really matter who I vote for.
You can thank the republican party for our current very progressive tax system, which ensures that somewhere in the neighborhood of the lower 50% do not pay federal taxes, and we can thank the democrats for things like jim crow laws.
Actually... tax tiers (not rates) are pretty static. Income isn't. If rich corporations weren't hoarding billions and billions of dollars "earned" off the backs of the working people, average income would be higher, and far far more people would be paying more in taxes than they do now. When you have a small percentage of the population earning a huge chunk of the income in this country... guess who gets to pay a huge chunk of the taxes?
Extreme social liberal here, moderate fiscal conservative. I'd consider myself libertarian if they weren't taken over by the crazies too. I'd currently go democrat because they are lesser of two evils. I'd totally hang out with Obama, smoke some weed, play Street Fighter with him, I dunno.
pure anarchist (I dont even really know what that even really means!!!) here, I believe 70% of us should walk into the ocean!
Is there a no-pants Party?
BTW, on the poll maybe throw in some of the other 3rd parties from the last election?
BTW, what's up with Oklahoma? They seemed to exclude all 3rd parties from the ballot.
I used to believe I was a democrat, but the modern day democrats are really nothing more than neoconservatives in a different outfit, so I'm leaning more toward being a libertarian now. They seem to be the only ones who make a lick of sense at the moment.
EDIT: it's also very beneficial to those with a real say (corporations and the very rich) to make sure the two parties appear divisive. Let them grandstand and argue about issues that don't concern big money, like abortion. That way, the will of the people remains divided and we pay less attention to the very rapidly growing wealth divide.
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If you mean abortion as wedge issue sure, but to say its not big business is being naive. Both the pro-choice and pro-life lobbies are big money. Everyone complains about wedge issues but for a lot of folks those are the only issues they feel will actually impact their lives.
What's kind of funny is the state with the greatest ballot access borders Oklahoma. Colorado just requires 500 (now 1000) bucks to get your name on the ballot. Last election, there were well over a dozen different parties represented on the ballot.
Anarchist, voted libertarian last two elections.
Also a hearty LMFAO at the people declaring the democratic party centrist and thus identifying themselves as centrist rather than democrat. Does this deception actually work on themselves? Cause you can be damn sure it doesnt work on anyone outside their fantasy worlds.
The Democratic Party in 2013 is not centrist, or even liberal, but rather Leftist.
I'd like to call myself centrist but since that no longer exists in the Republican party I have to just admit to being Democrat, even though I hate much of the party ideals every bit as much as I do the shit that has infested the Republicans (religious fundies, libertards that actually think we can maintain a high standard of living without taxes and government control, etc)
Poll should be three options. Repub, Demo, and "I waste time and gasoline throwing my vote away"
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I'm sure the lobbies for both sides of the abortion issue have plenty of money. Average people definitely care about the outcome and it is a very divisive issue.
Our healthcare system was literally designed by conservatives.
Quotes are fun. Bold is mine.
http://www.americanprogressaction.or...sus-obamacare/Just a few years ago, this approach was not at all controversial among conservatives. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, first proposed an individual mandate in 1989 (THE FUCKING 80s MAN wtf?!). Its authors recognized that “each household has the obligation, to the extent it is able, to avoid placing demands on society by protecting itself.” (mandate = personal responsibility and no tax increase, these guys are clever)
Conservative economists also proposed a mandate as part of a plan that “supports and makes use of competitive markets” and “avoids relying on the public tax or expenditure systems whenever possible.” In 1993 Sen. John Chafee (R-RI)—along with 18 Republican co-sponsors—introduced legislation that included a mandate as an alternative to the Clinton administration health reform plan.” And in 2005 the George W. Bush administration agreed to waive certain Medicaid rules to give Massachusetts the funding and flexibility to operate Romneycare. When the waiver was up for renewal in 2008, President Bush again signed off on the policy.
What defines the center? Its not a terribly hard question but one your far-left compatriots have failed to ask. The answer is this. Take the relevant political parties (hint: there are two) and arrange them on a left-right axis. One is farther left, the other is farther right. The party farthest to the left is the left wing party, the party to the right is the right wing party, and "centrist" is the point equidistant between them.
Foreign political ideologies are irrelevant for this discussion. The center isnt defined by taking a global average. The center is the middle point in between the American left and the American right.
By definition, the Democratic party is not the center.
extreme policy: no gun laws, you can own a grenade launcher and automatic weapons, no permits
centrist policy: you can own semi-automatic weapons, permit and background checks, felons disallowed the privilege
extreme policy: complete gun ban
Ban of a certain class of weapons != complete gun ban. Completely pointless in this case, yes, but not really any different than the automatic weapon ban, which he has listed as 'centrist'
And you are trying to say the Republicans embrace the existing laws and that makes them centrist. Riiiiight, they just fucking LOVED the Brady Bill. What an incredible example of bi-partisan unity! No.
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Edit: just a quick note on political parties: the reason most anarchists that vote tend to vote libertarian is because it usually has the candidate who wants the least amount of governance. However, most anarchists don't vote at all because they see it as legitimizing the government in the first place. "It is effectively an endorsement of centralized power and a vote of no confidence in localism." There's basically debate among anarchists about whether or not anarchy is more likely to be achieved via an intellectual or political revolution.
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Study the social dynamics of any american preschool for the practical applications of anarchistic thought. It's all fun and games until Jimmy pulls Laura's ponytail or pushes Tony down the slide. Just because he suddenly realizes he can.
Punks not dead. But it sure smells like it.
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