They need to get grant Morrison, Jeff Lemire and dude doing Wonder Woman right now to team up and write a fuck script for individual movies then worry about god damn justice league.
Apparently, this is still in development hell? Someone should write a book on the politics at Warner.
When Warner Bros. released Ruben Fleischer's Gangster Squad in January there were a lot of comic book fans who muttered, "Uh oh" under their breath. Those who have been following the developing Justice League movie know that Gangster Squad writer Will Beall has been handling the project's script for a while now, and the response to his L.A. Confidential riff was hardly encouraging to those anticipating seeing Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Flash on the big screen together. The January release was received unfavorably by critics, many of whom faulted Beall's screenplay for the film's biggest problems.
But the time for worrying may be over as new rumors have surfaced saying that Beall's Justice League script is no longer being used and that Warner Bros. is now trying to figure out the next step. Multiple sources have told Badass Digest that that the motivation behind the reported move is that Warner Bros. was unhappy with the script's quality (which has also apparently been keeping potential directors away), but they disagree about how the project will move forward. Some suggest that "the whole movie is going to fall apart and never happen" while others are saying that the studio is determined to make the superhero team-up movie work and remain in competition with the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The truth of the matter, however, is that the Justice League movie is up in the air regardless. In late January it was reported that WB is planning to wait and see how well Zack Snyder's Man of Steel does at the box office this summer. If it's a hit then it would be the boost of confidence that the studio needs, but if it's a flop it could crash and burn the whole idea. Previous reports have said that the movie is aiming to be released in 2015 - whether or not that will actually happen remains a mystery.
They need to get grant Morrison, Jeff Lemire and dude doing Wonder Woman right now to team up and write a fuck script for individual movies then worry about god damn justice league.
DC hires terrible writers. That is a big problem. Also look at the directors and such for the marvel movies. Kenneth Branaugh, Joss Whedon, Jon Favreu. That is serious business.
I just look at the Green Lantern movie as their ultimate failure to make this work. Who the hell wrote that thing? You can have humor, but it has to be in a serious context (E.G. Iron Man). And you need to have a real bad guy, not a cloud.
Ugh, just total fail.
Stan Lee said that success in the box office comes from the writers being able to distill what once made the character successful in comics. DC seems like they want to change their characters around from what they originally were when transitioning. A lot of projects aren't launched because the characters aren't Superman or Batman. Newsflash: not every character is the same.
Grow a pair and show us some diversity, and you'll be rewarded.
What really boggles my mind with DC is Vertigo.
Transmetropolitan. Preacher, Y:The last man, 100 bullets, Sandman, izombie, Lucifer, Xanadu, Fables, The Invisibles, The Books of Magic,
Pride of Baghdad, Northlanders, House of mystery.
Hellblazer has Constantine... sortof...
The Losers got a movie.
Fables has been stolen and "once upon a time" was made from it. GJ DC.
The Invisible has been stolen and "The Matrix" was made out of it. GJ DC.
The books of Magic has been stolen and "harry potter" was made out of it. GJ DC.
That is what happens when you sit on your properties and don't do anything with them.
How they are letting these sit there is insane.
They need to start with the new Superman as Movie #1 of the JLA buildup, then plan how all of these heroes can coexist and reboot the others to fit a JLA movie which makes sense.
I know NOTHING about it other than what I've read in this thread, but I would have the first movie being all of batman's anti superhero plans being stolen and used.
JL:doom and Two earths already hit two of the best options for Movie adaptation of an established JLA stories.
A few of the crisis's could be made.
Original story is probably their best bet.
Tons of badguys they could use. Many are a bit too big to start with though.
Can't really do an anti-monitor/death of supergirl right off the bat. Nor should do a Darksied.
The problem with a lot of the DC characters is that most of them are just incredibly over powered. That makes it hard for them to relate to on the big screen. Look at Supes, no Superman movie has really used Supes at the level he runs around at in the comics.
The biggest problem though really comes through at DC itself. The fighting between the execs there is really fucking with their ability to get movies done. They don't want to take the time to set up anything they just want to get stuff out asap and it's biting them in the ass. Green Lantern was a disaster, so was Superman Returns.
If they get their shit together they really need to just copy and paste the Marvel plan. They have to reboot Batman and probably Superman, if Man of Steel is a bust. They need to get Flash and Wonder Woman on the big screen. Then probably reboot Green Lantern as John Stewart or Guy Gardner. Then finally get into a Justice League movie. With the JL Movie you introduce Martian Manhunter and gay ass Aquaman and then roll a solo movie for them afterwards.
I'd like to know how bad DC/WB are kicking themselves for pulling Joss Whedon off of the Wonder Woman movie, and doing that shitty pilot instead.
Am I the only one hoping for a Constantine sequel? I know it will never happen but...
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Constantine was awesome.
iron man 2 did well at the box office based on the good will of the first one. iron man 2 was horrid.
i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the marvel superheroes are just flat out more interesting than DC superheroes. not going to go all nerdy on this, but really, aside for batman, most of DC's heroes are just really fucking lame. superman disguises himself as a goofy news reporter. not interesting. wonder woman has a rope that makes people tell the truth and bracelets that deflect bullets (fuck me that's lame). aquaman's only power is to control sea creatures (really?). they're all just flat. compare that to marvel's characters, who all have powers but also are still vulnerable and have a darker side (like spiderman, the x-men, hulk, etc...) and you can make a lot more interesting movies.
I see what he is saying though, the Marvel A/B list characters are probably a bit more interesting and maybe a bit less silly than DC's. Once you start digging down though all bets are off as they both have cool and utterly stupid shit in the closet.
I think Teen Titans would be better to persue for DC than JLA myself.
i just never really got the justice league at all (although i watched the cartoon as a kid). i mean, superman and the green lantern were badasses, but the rest of the members in the league were like the special olympics of superheroes.
JLA was cool as the cartoon when they had like 2-3 of the "main characters" then 2-3 "guests" show up for each episode. As that is what is makes the JLA interesting, having 50 members that take turns or whatever. Which is great for a show, but not for a movie or handful of movies.
Teen Titans you could do one or two solo movies then combo movie them into a Titans movie. Also there are enough Titans in existance you can kinda pick and choose who you think would work best for the team and who you think you could flesh out and make look cool in a movie. You can even tap into the tween/teen crowd by having heroes more their age, early 20s folk who remember the rather good cartoon, blah blah blah.
Meh, whatever. Warner Bros will probably find a way to fuck up whatever clever idea they're given.
Nolan would have more fun and more freedom doing his own movies. But he'd have more money doing JL. My bet is on the former.
...of course I could be wrong.
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A movie with just Batman and Superman sounds better than an all out JL movie. Wouldn't have to worry about rebooting all of these other lame DC superheroes and forcing them into "dark and gritty" movies (might not even work for Superman). Batman and Superman are the only two anybody really gives a shit about anyway. And Nolan/Bale would be great for it.
How do you fit the Nolan Batman into an actual Justice League movie? I mean Bane beat the shit out of him and he wasn't even a "super powered" Bane.
It's probably the worst news I've heard about this movie since the release date. If they're letting Nolan run the DC cinematic universe they need to let him push back JLA a few years and follow the template Marvel laid out or they've got a good shot and just flushing hundreds of millions down the drain.
Even then... better off rebooting Batman along with it rather than come in with all of the baggage of Bale's version, unless he's signed on to do more of a handoff to a protege or something as part of the JLA plot (Bale starting Batman, Inc or something).
Superman is boring as fuck. The Flash boring as fuck. Green Lantern doesn't translate well to film (I fear the same could be said for Marvel's Doc Strange, we shall see}. Wonder Woman is hot, but you know they won't show enough skin. JL movie seems pretty meh idea, they should be making Vertigo titles for the big screen, they have a deep enough catalog of quality material but keep going to the well that were my grandpas comics .... /facepalm
I don't see Biel. Part of me thinks she's just wrong to play Diana and part of me just hates her because I don't like her as an actress. Morena Baccarin would be an interesting choice if she's tall enough. Theron could probably pull it off pretty well. You'd need an actress that's got the height and face to look like a goddess but who has enough chops to make us believe it too.
I was going to insult him for suggesting Biel.
But then I thought about the A Team. I probably wouldn't hate it.
The good news is that this project is not dead. Warners is feeling the pressure of getting beat at the box office by Avengers and Star Wars (both owned by Disney).
Bale did jack shit with 2 out of 3 batman movies. Heath Ledger totally outshined him, it wasnt the dark knight who owned the screen it was the joker. Dark knight rises, i think the main moneymaker there was the name Christopher Nolan...and let's see if this movie gets close to the dark knight. TDK gave nolan and the franchise enough credit to let people waste money on that shitpile that is TDKR.
I was really rooting for the green lantern movie, too bad they chose parallax as the main villain and spent 80% of the time on earth. They should just have recycled the script from the animated movie green lantern first flight, and you'd set the space theme, and sinestro would look like a serious badass for a sequel. Man of steel, i just dont know about the combination of snyder and superman......man faster then a speeding bullet! In slowmotion ad nauseum.
Marvel built a world brick by brick. They took a big chance and it paid off. And yet, it doesnt seem like a consistent world. Iron man was slightly grounded in reality, but far from gritty, more a sarcastic view. Iron man 2 was great for what it was, filler, to set up some characters for e avengers. A hulk movie that was more a hommage to the tv series then anything else. Then a terribly campy ww2 movie called captain america. With thor they introduced a god.....sorta....and then they all collided in 1 movie, and you could see they came from really different places. The magic of the avengers was that they should not be a team, but when push comes to shove they all do whats right, and then pimp away and do their own thing. Avengers never felt forced.
If JL gets off the ground, I would bet that Gina Carano gets cast as WW. Her name was mentioned a while ago and now her and Henry Cavill have been dating and you know how those things go. She wouldn't be a bad fit in the role.
So supposedly the fate of a Justice League movie right now is contingent on Man of Steel being a hit. If it is a hit Zack Snyder will direct the Justice League movie.
dc execs don't know shit about what is bringing them profits. They routinely pull people off their best selling comics for no reason, then change course and are forced to put them back on after fan outcry as with Gail Simone on Batgirl.
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I loved Young Justice and was hoping we’d get a JL series by the same creators because I loved the JL team in this universe even more so than the old JL series. Too bad somebody doesn’t understand what a good TV show is.
Yeah, toy sales are a big deal.
Hell, the average age of a comic book reader is 28. DC's not having much success, because they keep trying to cater to 10 year olds. Almost every time a DC cartoon is canceled, it's over toy sales. You never hear of that being in the equation for a Marvel cartoon.
Toy sales should have nothing to do with telling a good story. At DC, toy sales > creative. That's not right.
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When rob " can't draw feet" liefeld can't work under your retarded conditions and comes out and publicly decrys you, there is something really wrong.
That Cars figure does not surprise me. Look at the coin Thomas the Tank Engine brings in. I'm not sure you can really compare that to comic book movies, though, unless your demographic is 5-10 year olds.
I always hated DC when I was younger, and loved Marvel. Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, etc always seemed cheesy as fuck and terrible characters.
X-men had a lot more going for it, and most of the other characters peripheral to that comic are what I enjoyed. That's not to say cheese does not sell. I was amazed the Fantastic Four movie did decently as that seems similar to DC works
It's too bad the Lobo film never came to fruition. It was a blatant ripoff, but as a good chunk of Marvel was borrowed from DC, and that would've at least had a good backstory.
Lobo is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by DC Comics. The Lobo character was created by Roger Slifer and Keith Giffen, and first appeared in Omega Men #3 (June 1983). Lobo is an alien, and works as an interstellar mercenary and bounty hunter. Lobo was Introduced as a hardened, although rarely used, hardboiled villain in the 1980s, and remained in limbo until his revival as an anti-hero biker in the early 1990s.
yeah, thats the thing with Cars that alot of older viewers overlook.
Little kids love it.
Do they not understand that you need to build an IP with good stories and characters to even GET the toy sales?
All of DC characters except Batman suck. It's virtually impossible to make a DC property not suck on the big screen.
Superman is arguably the worst. A character created simply to embody the whole gamut of American virtues and power and fed as propaganda to kids, became so ridiculous that they had to create fake weaknesses for him (kryptonite) just to continue writing stories. The other ones are similarly faggy and outdated: Aquaman, Green Arrow, Green lantern, Wonder Woman, and other 50 flavors of Superman (superboy, supergirl, superwoman, superdog, supercat, etc.).
So you're just going to ignore the question and flash. The green arrow tv show isn't that bad also.
1. I already answered your question
2. Flash sucks too. He is basically Superman without all his other powers but with all the kiddie bullshit.
Flash is a fucking boss and has stood toe to toe against a kryptonian before. Horrible writers only focused on his speed but not on the abilities he possess because of the speed. Generating electricity, vibrating molecules, sucking the air out of an area with his speed, being able to jack hammer through some of the toughest armors, that's just off the top of my head.
All you need to do is watch flash and the speed force episode to realize how powerfully/ awesome that character can be. One of the best scenes on a cartoon period, also the flash has a great sense of humor and isn't a bland personality
Actually I'll agree that Flash sucks as a character. He has got to be the absolute worst character in all of DC when it comes down to basically being able to accomplish anything at all because the writer decides his super speed can be used to generate X effect. The only good 'Flash saves the day' moment I've ever seen or read was 'Divided We Fall' in JLU when Flash takes down Brainiac/Luthor solo after the rest of the Justice League got their asses handed to them. Actually it's one of the best moments in the entire JLA/JLU series, since it's the climax of the entire plot running through season 4, and the episode was directed by Joaquim dos Santos, who is fucking amazing.
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The flash is fantastic.
First off, there are a number of them.
You have Barry, the second flash. although, also first... yeah, comics. The actual first is Jay Garrick of JSA, and golden age comics. The winged helm guy. Barry is first modern flash, with red suit.
Barry is a CSI agent which is great for stories. and he is more of a hardass on crime. Hates the rogues.
Second is Wally. Wally is probably the more known, and loved among most people. Although a few creators, Joeff Johns, has a Barry hardon, and keep bringing Barry back.. wally is married, and the bro. Hes the one that is more chummy with the Rogues, and the Rogues respect him.
Then of course an entire extended family. Bart, Jessie, etc.
The Flash is not crazy. Another good thing about him. Batman is insane. it hard to write good Batman without this fact becoming a problem. only casuals don't notice it, as you only get bits and pieces. But when you read comics and start noticing a habit of dead Robins, going out of his way to save the Joker, etc.. Or Trillionaire spending 200billion a year to beat up petty thugs who need cash to feed their families.. Batman is not a hero, the guy is a madman. (times the flash has gone evil and nearly killed all his friends? 0, times Batman has? constant. every minute of everyday.)
The other thing about the Flash is the dude has the best line of villains in comics. The Rogues. They even have a fucking name. These guys should have a movie of their own.
Basis of stories for the Flash. This is a good thing, and part of the problem. The Flash is super op at times. Literally capable of anything. One minute the Flash is having Buck Rogers/Adam Strange space adventures. Because he can literally dimension hop by shifting speeds to entire new realities. The next minute hes fighting The Rogues doing bank heist.
So, you have The Flash as a classic adventurer. Going on fantastic trips. you COULD make a Flash movie like this. Flash gordan, fantastic voyage, John Carter on mars, wizard of oz, gullivers travels, type movie.
Or you could keep it simple, and make it more of a Earth adventure, and just keep the powers more grounded.
we dont need excuses to talk about the mother fucking Flash.
Just to be clear, a lot of people are running with the report that Warner Bros. has actually offered Bale $50 million to return in the role. That doesn't seem to be the case.
Rather, it's just someone speculating that Bale could get that much money to appear in the film. Robert Downey Jr. reportedly earned $50 million for his role in last year's "The Avengers."
I am over Bale as Batman. Get someone that can do a better tough guy voice.
I tried to find the other clip, where he's helping Troy with the Batman voice, but Youtube only had it en Espanol, which is hilarious but not helpful.
we all know DC movies sucks so maybe bale is thinking "if my career is going down the drain,at least my wallet is getting heavier"
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
this intro still geeks me the fuck out.
if they made this a movie i would shit my pants
WB has announced the movie will follow Batman vs. Superman and will be directed by Zack Snyder.
Zack Snyder to Direct ‘Justice League’ for Warner Bros. - TheWrap
Hah the best part of that article is Matt Damon is in talks to play Aquaman. Jimmy Kimmel would have a blast with that.
That would explain how he survived the beginning of Bourne 1 and end of Bourne 3.
Let's also recast Green Lantern as well please. Or choose another Lantern but Hal. They probably will have PC mandated diversity since it's 2014. Here's to Idris Elba for a Lantern.
Idris Elba for lantern? Fuck yeah....how much cocaine we gotta ship the studio to make this happen?
this to me is fuck, they could make this so awesome if they would give each of those heros a movie each yes rip off marvel who gives a fuck? bring them out just like that seem to fucking rush no character development no back story just JL here we are you just have to believe we meet one day and were like yeah lets all hang out and fight crime....
maybe am just mad
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They DID try this. GL was supposed to be in the same universe as superman but it bombed
I did not mind it (sinestro was fucking awesome) but i agree with the criticism of RR and Hector + Parallax was lame. Still, it did not bomb. $53mm opening is not horrible.
You want to see a bomb, try RIPD that made only $33mm.
THE GL movie could still fit into the new DC movie universe, John Stewart can coexisit with Hal Jordan.
it was definitely a bomb. it did $53 opening weekend, which is pretty solid. but it made a total of $219... so it made 25% of it's box office in 4 days. think about that.
edit: btw, I enjoyed it... it just definitely did not live up to anyone's expectations.
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