another option is you could stop being such a piece of shit, and maybe your employees will stop constantly trying to steal from you.
Anyone have any good tracker they can suggest? I've looked at two of them now, both with Iphone apps for realtime tracking. At the end of the day, when you have different teams all over the geography, they need to be monitored. A friend of mine owns a business with 30 vehicles, and catches guys doing things all the time they shouldn't. One time, he caught a crew leader start his own rival business, and send his (the owner's) guys and vehicles to that crew leader's jobsite. So he was paying for labor and gas to do handle a competing company's customers. Stuff like this happens a lot. Every six months, I catch guys trying to take my equipment out for their own use. It would also make me feel safer against theft, two of my trucks cost me 170k. We recently submitted an insurance claim on some equipment for 4k, and insurance tried to not pay it. If someone were to try to steal them, at least I'd be able to track it and go get it back (that, or I could lose 100k). Another benefit would be being able to show GPS data in case of an accident.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 12:21 AM.
No trolling in B&F. Contribute something of value or move on.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 02:08 AM.
You don't carry comp coverage on 2 trucks valued at $170k?
Keg, I don't give a shit.
I know a guy who owns a service business that said his productivity jumped 15% when his employees knew they were being watched. I've had two services recommended, I'm curious if anyone else has any XP with them.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 03:00 AM.
A competitor fired a guy for not showing up to work. The guy says he'll get even with him. He follows the guys up to the job site, waits until they are on another side of the house, and hooks up a 40k piece of equipment, hauling it off. The police never caught the guy, he left the state.
It's better to be proactive.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 02:59 AM.
Once again you take something simple as wanting to know about a GPS sollution and turn it into WAHHHHH!!!! My employees are scumbags who hate me. I'm not rich enough!!!
knock if off dude. take it back into your 'I went to the best B-school ever thread'.
In a service business, most of the problems come from being off route. Stop trying to derail a simple informational thread.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 03:15 AM.
You should just tell them you installed the GPS trackers and see what happens... it's like a lawn care Panopticon or whatever kind of business you run
This shit writes itself:
Originally Posted by Linked Article
Every time I get a service picked out, there's some problem with it. I need to do this within the next 30 days. And everyone that I've seen has a three year contract, no outs.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 03:40 AM.
ITT - proof, best 'B-School' in the world can't make you good at business.
Haven't seen you actually talk about that. only your regular hate for your employees.
I am gonna try a productivity experiment, gonna print all of Lyrical's posts out, hang em up by my time clock, and tell the boys that if productivity doesn't increase by 20% I am gonna sell the company to him.
Any reason the hundreds of business owners you've spoken to and have dealt with this can't point you in the right direction? I own a business too, and I would never come here to ask questions about anything related to the operations (no offense to anyone here). I'd ask a colleague that I know in person and who has dealt with the specific situation rather than risking a $110,000 truck to the word of some anonymous person on a forum board.
Last edited by Disp; 02-06-2013 at 05:43 AM.
We're going to be using smartphones to do all the tracking/data entry.
Last edited by Tmac47; 02-06-2013 at 02:50 PM.
No more unicorns.
Ignore the trolls or ban them. Preferably the latter.
No more unicorns.
Tuco already took care of it. No need to report once it has been addressed.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 03:58 PM.
I don't know about the other guys, but I don't read this forum a lot because i don't have a lot to contribute. God knows no one should be taking financial advice from me, my credit score was under 600 about 5 years ago before I straightened my shit out. If you really feel trolling is becoming a problem just report and it will draw attention.
I'm looking at Fleetmatics and also Next Traq. Fleetmatics is more expensive, but the iphone app is a lot more user friendly, and it has people saying good things about it. Next Traq is about $120 cheaper a month, but the app seems pretty cumbersome. With Fleetmatics, I can look at my vehicles all over the geography, tap that vehicle, and drive directly to it through GPS. Next Traq requires me screwing with latitude and longitude, so I'd have to pull over on the side of the road to screw with it.
The good thing about both, is that in case someone were to hotwire or steal a vehicle, I'd get an alarm automatically to my iphone. Pretty much I'd know if someone stole a vehicle within five seconds of it happening.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-06-2013 at 09:34 PM.
The app in the video didn't seem all that powerful to me. It was incredibly annoying how they kept going to "Street View" as if that had anything to do with the functionality of the app. There were cool features like "speeding" and "tracking routes", but other than that it seems like a bunch of fluff. Google Maps API is the bomb diggity.
I'm currently building something similar for the Timber Industry. We have proof of concept and have already started talking to potential investors. We should be able to release alpha within the month and will be talking to businesses that want to try it out. We're going to see if we can get them to pay for it at a discount, which will grandfather them into live! at that discounted rate for helping us get through alpha/beta.
Last edited by Tmac47; 02-07-2013 at 11:33 PM.
No more unicorns.
Oh. And this is a problem I've run into with my app...
Are you going to buy iPhones for all your trucks or expect your workers to use their own and subsidies the investment?
No more unicorns.
I think the apps are cool from the standpoint of always knowing where my equipment is. There is very little value at the shop, it's all on the road and we should know where it is at all times. I also like the protection against theft, if a vehicles starts up in off hours, I get an alarm to my phone. My competitors' salivate at my equipment, and from time to time, I get employees telling me someone at Company XYZ offered them $500 to loan them the equipment over the weekend. I'm not going to sit there all weekend staring at every piece of equipment. Also, who is to say that the comp might not take it a step further and try to just take the equipment? Two of the pieces of equipment are worth 60k, and with no license plate, someone could just repaint them and go. But now, with asset trackers, I'd at least have a chance of getting them back.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-08-2013 at 05:05 PM.
Android + Iphone is like 97% of the market right now. Of course as soon as you commit one of your guys will probably come in all excited about his new Windows phone. There's also the matter of the extra $35 a month per phone for a data plan if your people don't currently have them and the fact that smartphones are way easier to break than the kind of ruggedized flip phones a lot of construction guys use.
My thoughts are. How will this help protect you on the weekend if it's phone driven? That means the driver has to leave an Iphone in the equipment over the weekend, which will be a high theft item. Also has to have it keep power to it over the weekend.
I know some people with Lowjack on their cars, 1 it even saved after being stolen. Looks like they do fleet services also. I have no idea of price, but thought I would toss the link in here. http://www.lojack.com/Construction-and-Fleet
P.S. Thanks for the lojack link, I'll take a look.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-08-2013 at 06:48 PM.
It's the same problem with truck drivers in the timber industry. Figuring out how to equip them with smart phones so that our software is worth a dealer's subsidizing of the trucker's smart phones.
No more unicorns.
As for smart phones android. I'd recommend ting wireless. Girlfriend and I are very light data users, which this app would be. If this was a work only phone, you could probably have most people on the crew with a phone and all share the mins/data for like $100 a month. Our cell bill dropped from 90 to $42 a month now.
Or you could just have them keep track of the odometer.
Lyrical is bitching about employees stealing though, keeping track of the odometer is as simple as it gets and would stop what he is fearful of.
Last edited by Big Phoenix; 02-11-2013 at 01:05 AM.
To answer a previous question, the price is $30-60 a month per.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-11-2013 at 02:43 AM.
http://virtualfleetsupervisor.com is what my brother in law uses. Its not cheap but the costs that it has saved him outweighed it. You can customize a lot of stuff like scheduled work times, speed limits and maintenance. Its pretty sweet and lets you know if a vehicle has been stopped and how long. For the equipment he uses Lowjack on the heavy stuff.
I'll check out that service you said, thanks.
Last edited by Lyrical; 02-11-2013 at 05:28 PM.
Yup. Exactly what my software will provide:
It will tally totals at the top
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I currently use Fleetmatics in five trucks. Im going to get rid of it once the contract expires but not because i am not satisfied with fleetmatics. Long story, getting rid of employees for install crews and switching to sub contractors and dont need to monitor the few actual employees i have left. Fleetmatics has alot of potential if you want to invest the time in it. In addition to spying on your plebs you can use it to keep track of when your trucks need oil changes, inspected, registration renewed etc. You can also get alerts when they go over a certain MPH and it keeps track of time spent idling and a ton of other features that i never used.
Not sure what industry you're in but it has also helped me with an occasional billing dispute. Customer call up bitching because they agreed to a $400 dollar contract and say we were only there for 15 minutes. "Well Mr.Dickless, Fleetmatics says our technician left the shop at 12:17. We arrived at your piece of shit trailer at 12:43 and left your home at 2:17. Now kindly go fuck yourself."
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Sorry of this was already posted - TLDR thread and trolling, so just going to add my input.
We use Networkfleet on about 600 trucks in our fleet. You can get every possible detail you want out of the reporting. Quick starts, quick stops, speed thresholds, etc. Connects directly to your trucks diagnostic port. I don't manage this aspect of the business, but I know they have used it for years and love it.
I don't know if you ever came up with a solution to this or not, but I stumbled upon this little gizmo and it might do what you need plus it might help with some extra expense tracking.
I'm going with NextTraq. All I have to do is sign the contract and they'll ship me two units. I'll try it out on two of the trucks, if it's bug free, go to others. This week, we were worried about having to do lots of emergency clean up, and had to sit there waiting on the guys to call us back (hours later). Emergency work comes first, insurance companies will agree on almost any price to mitigate damage. Instead of losing a job, we'll be able to see whatever job they are on in real time from our smartphones, and reroute them.
American Medical Response in our city uses Trackstar. It's pretty solid.
The National Forest Landowner's Association is going to be publishing an article about my business in the coming months. They have about 5,000 members who own an average of 2,500 acres.
Things are starting to get rolling!
I also have a meeting on the 16th of May with the third largest timber company in the world. They invited us out to MS to present our timber tracking software. Pretty excited on both fronts.
No more unicorns.
I had another meeting today with the owner of one of the biggest land sales websites on the market. We're going to have lunch again soon, where his partner will attend as well, and discuss possible areas where we can loosely partner.
Pretty exciting stuff. I think they pull in anywhere from $40k - $50k per month on their main site.
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I went with NextTraq, they'll be installed on the 14th of May. These are going to help us out a lot with efficiency.
Let me know how that works out for you. We currently use SilentPassenger, and it seems to work pretty damn effectively (fleet of 19 coach buses).
Why is it no one "accidentally" cheats themselves of time?
Just wait until you have a customer tell you they aren't paying because your driver left at 3pm (made up for anecdote), you check, and they worked until 6pm. We seriously have prestigious companies call us and lie their face off because they want to get a little off the top. Pretty shitty.
These trackers are great! There's no more padding of hours, I can tell when they get in. I can re-route guys, based on high priority jobs. I can see if they've picked an efficient route (some times, they pick a route that loses them time, we've started more training on this). I hired a new guy, and I feel more comfortable leaving him alone now, since I can tell what he's doing from 40 miles away.
My only issue is that sometimes the trackers show the engine as idling when it isn't. I'll have to have a tech look at that.
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