Pretty much expect you to look professional and clean shaven.
Wasn't sure where to put this. Seemed appropriate here.
I have a neatly trimmed full beard. I'm looking for part time work wherever I can get it. I will be looking in low wage areas.
Will having a beard effect interviews at this day in age?
Pretty much expect you to look professional and clean shaven.
If you are going to be interacting with people in person or food of any sort, you are at a huge disadvantage with a beard. If you are looking for factory/grunt/outdoor work, you can usually get away with one if you want. If you are looking to be part of a corporation, then yeah, the beard has to go.
So the cons defiantly outweigh the pros on this one.
As a 27 year old I have never had an interview or handed out a resume, I have always been self employed. This blows.
It also depends on the part of the country you are in as well. Out in the 'sticks' of Pennsylvania, most older (white) guys have full beards/mustaches, so it is more common to see them, but if you are trying to get a foot in the door or are working minimum wage work, then you are going to be bent over and have to conform to whatever the norm is in your area.
I work in a business casual environment (no suits, but slacks & tie), 450 person corp. 4 of the dudes in my department have beards.
You could always do like black dudes do in the military - claim that shaving fucks your face up.
Most of what is said here is true. However, there are beards that are more acceptable than others. Yours is not, forgive me, a neatly trimmed beard. I'd say this is more what you're thinking:
I'd suggest shortening your beard by half, and sculpting it carefully. Probably shouldn't be a deterrent, then.
Unless you're looking in the food industry. Then, shave. For sure.
That picture was actually taken on a boat on a cold night. It got kind of frizzy. I usually use a anti frizz gel to keep it tidy. But I totally get what your saying. Going to just have to shave it.
That, or turn into Ben Affleck. That'll help, too.
The very best of luck in your job search!
PS: It looks like he is.
In all honesty, what industries are you guys in (sans food) that look down on people with beards? I haven't seen this kind of shit in any job I've worked. I'm lucky if I shave once a week.
I know it's a fact.
Another idea - claim your a muslim or a newly converted orthodox jew.
Could always just try and apply for a job as a Lumberjack.
If you're going for being in gay porn, you should be fine.
I think it really depends where you are looking for work. I live in Portland and work in the food industry and have never had any issues with my facial hair. Beards are super normal here and I doubt if it would be part of the decision making for an employer. I also used to work for the British government, and while I was the only guy with a beard, no one ever gave me any static about it as long as I had a suit on.
A lot of part time jobs would make you wear a beard net. Do you really want that man?
Could always sell drugs.
Just shave it bro. I've got a similar beard as you have now and while I empathize you have to keep in mind that hiring for part time work is all about averages (more so than long-term commitments to full-time employees) and on average people with beards like ours are lazier and less professional.
Considering you don't have some Moses like growth that you've nurtured for many years, why even bother taking the risk that it can affect your job hunt. You know it can only have a negative impact during an interview, and you know it won't take long to grow back, so... Shave it and grow it back after you get the job??
I've hired several guys with beards, but tell them I expect them to keep it trimmed and neat. I don't know why sporting a beard would make you a bad person.
Shaved it off, I am no longer a man.
the hat is the worst part of that picture, by far. and it's got some competition
Don't forget to shave your balls, too. Employers love smooth bag sacks.
Edit: Never mind, I replied without seeing that you had shaved and were now a boy, and no longer a man.
I rock a beard and I do traveling sales and consulting. During the months I do not travel it gets kind of scruff, like OP but when I hit the road I always take it down like that Ben Affleck picture. People are far more open now than they were 10 years ago about general appearance and "style", but respect is still respect. If you are questioning how big it is or if it will pass then you are admitting to yourself it's a bit out of control.
Unless you plan to be serving coffee at the local hipster garage during poetry night take it down a notch.
I would never change my appearance for something as simple as an interview or a job hunt. I got hired at my current gig with a full beard and hair past the middle of my back. HR told me that there was a no hair below the collar policy, and I just told them "That's fine, but I'm not cutting it for an interview." Beards were only allowed very recently (prior to my interview, that is) too. Of course, then after I got hired I found out it's a rule that they don't really enforce, because the people actually running the show would rather have people who show up over people who look pretty.
It's archaic and needs to go away. And the only way it's going to is by people with beards kicking ass. Every winter I grow an epic viking beard, just to maintain dominance. Haven't shaved since September. Ben Affleck has a pussy beard, and I look like that 3 days after I shave. That's not a beard, that's just "I didn't get up early enough to shave today."
This is where I disagree with you a bit. I agree on the part of it generally being an archaic policy but truth and reality are still what they are. If you have a gig where you are responsible for being the face of the company you should look clean, presentable, respectful and welcoming. Not saying a large beefy beard cannot be clean too, but society has a certain "norm", agree with it or not and first impressions matter, especially when you represent something other than just yourself.
Now at the end of the day, any decent human being will get to know you and like or dislike you based on your work ethic, skill, etc so it won't matter. But if you are presented to the outside world on behalf of your job you should have the maturity to think about more than just your personal preferences.
The reality is that historically there's been nothing wrong with the beard for many civilizations for large swathes of time. It's only out of fashion here for a brief period of time, it'll change soon enough, probably within our lifetimes.
I do fall into your category of being the face of the company. However, my job is such that the results speak for themselves very quickly, and it's kinda hard to get annoyed with anyone when they are doing the job perfectly every day.
Of course, my job is also such that I tend to spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with like minded individuals, rather than the corporate suit types. Which is great, actually, because fuck those uptight dipshits.
I know in my area beards have become extremely common, especially during the winter. Which I think is a great thing.
Well yeah, beards just make sense in the frozen northland.
But back in civilizied society they're still viewed with disdain by a lot of people.
Honestly, a lot of it just depends on how a beard looks on you, and how well kept it is. Also seems to be more acceptable the older you are.
most places would have no issues hiring a guy that looked like this:
But you're pretty much screwed if you look like this:
Anything out of the "norm" (facial hair, piercings, tatoos, even weight) is going to be judged and have some bearing on your employability. Also, ALL of these things are completely subjective based on the personal feelings of the interviewer/employer. I'd personally rather take as many subjective factors as I can out of the equation and have my hire be based more on actual facts like experience, education, and work history.
It's hard to pull off any of the physical oddities listed above in a favorable way unless you are just an insanely attractive human being(in which 99% of us are not) Sorry to break it to you, but neither you nor I are going to be mistaken for George Clooney or Brad Pitt anytime soon.
every other dude here is sporting a van dyke, a full beard is way less douchey imo. I have always had one unless I have to wear hvy-duty PPE that forbids it. fucked up thing, is the only grey hair I have is on my chin, shit makes me look way older than I am.
I dunno, out west at least facial hair has made a pretty strong comeback over the past 5-10 years. For under 40's, even in professional environments, guys that either have full bears, goatees, mustaches, or just stubble are probably in the majority. Only in a select few professions is shaving your face to the skin even in the majority anymore.
That said though, there's a fine line between having a nicely trimmed beard and looking like a fucking hobo. In the picture you posted, you're getting pretty close to the latter, and not the former.
It's all about changing perceptions in the long term. I finally accomplished this last night, when I got the official go ahead from the boss that my hair (and that of the other hippies I work with) was fine.
We've gone from mandatory clean shaven and no hair below the collar (to the extreme that if you came in with stubble, you were given a razor and told to go to the bathroom and clean it up, and signs that said "No haircut by monday = no work") to full beards and hair down to the middle of your back is acceptable as long as it's neat, in 10 years. Go in, kick ass, remove the stereotypes, and don't pander to the ignorant.
It's as fucking ridiculous as any other form of discrimination in my book. Your appearance has no impact on how well you do your job, and it's high time society realized this.
My company flew in a bunch of people from our European offices for a tech summit this past week. I was dying that one of the speakers (the technical lead for our UI framework) came up to give his presentation with a giant beard, a wool beanie, a (old) System of a Down Tshirt and black cargo pants with chrome rivits. Not what you'd expect someone to wear giving a presentation on your technology to a bunch of VPs lol. He works in our UK office so I've never seen him before. Luckily my company doesn't really care too much and the guy was sharp as hell so not like it matters what he wears.
Oddly enough I was wearing a black hoodie and my Art By Numbers tshirt on the same day and hadn't shaved for about 2 weeks. We were band and beard buddies.
Last edited by Tenks; 02-13-2013 at 08:14 PM.
IT seems to be one of the few office-type jobs where you can get away with dressing and looking like a slob. That shit doesn't fly in other departments but for some reason it's tolerated in IT.
Developers march to the beat of our own drum. I think the higher ups have just accepted that and look at us saying "Oh those whacky devs"
I agree with prescient63 that, depending on your job, your appearance can have a huge impact on how well you do it. Now, is it right that having a ZZtop beard means you'll sell less widgets? Of course not. It's fucking ridiculous, like you said, and this is a big problem in our society that's no different from any other kind of discrimination. He never said it was ok that society is so fucked up regarding beards/hair. He's just stating the fact about how things are in the real world.your appearance has no impact on how well you do your job, and it's high time society realized this.
I get what you were saying but I think your phrasing made it a little unclear. The way I interpreted your remark was more along the lines of:
Your appearance has no actual impact on how well you do your job beyond causing you to suffer from idiotic discrimination, and it's high time society realized this.
It's too broad a stroke to paint.
Taking your example of a tattoo shop, I think most people would be hesitant to get a tattoo from someone who didn't have any tattoos himself. It's kind of the opposite of what we've been talking about but it's still an example of appearance affecting business. Likewise, I think many people would be confused and possibly even hesitant to open a package on their doorstep if some unshaven guy in torn jeans and a heavy metal t-shirt walked up and put it there.
Anyway, I think we all agree on the principle idea and at this point I'm just arguing semantics out of boredom. I need to install blood bowl on my work pc.
at this point if you dont have neck tattoos, gauged out earlobes and 3 pcs of stainless stabbed in your face aren't you considered 'professional looking'? hipsters and freaks lowered the bar a ton,
p.s. I dont like them touching my food.
You know what, maybe there's just a heavy regional difference involved here. I live in a pretty liberal state, I can't imagine this kind of shit flying anywhere around here, but I could definitely see how the long haired freaky people need not apply at the auto shop on Alabama.
Last edited by Cutlery; 02-16-2013 at 01:13 PM.
When I first started here as an engineer I bought a ton of dress clothes. I came to work clean shaven and new haircut. It lasted 3 days. I saw all the corporate folks in suits and figured that was how I needed to dress. Then they threw me in the lab nd that's where I've lived since. I've seen dudes come in with full beards, hair stuck to the side of their heads, tshirts with holes in it, jorts on and sandals with socks. It s like no one gives a shit what engineers wear since their making all the products. I generally now just wear jeans and a button down shirt and feel like I overdress. He'll, my own boss has one of those ratty beards that's somewhere between zak galifinutsack and zz top. It's funny how shitty they all dress considering the amount of money they all make (150k+).
I don't think you guys get the point, but McCheese touched on it. You should be dressing to be maximally effective for whatever your position is or what environment you find yourself in. I work in consulting so we have to change up what we wear a bit. For instance if we are going to a bank it's suits and ties dressed to the nines usually, because all of the bankers or management staff will be dressed as such. However, if we are in a manufacturing plant it might be khakis and polos because we need to look professional, but we also need to be dressed in a way where we aren't off putting to the people we need to talk to and learn from. The person we need information from could be anyone from the guy who stocks the supply closets to the plant manager. Long story short dress for results and if that means jeans and t-shirts in a tech job that's how you should be dressing.
However, I will reiterate that if you deal with people in your job, as I assume everyone does, then your appearance absolutely has an impact on your work effectiveness.
Last edited by prescient63; 02-16-2013 at 04:27 PM.
Yeah.....you're in "consulting." Your job is 100% to kiss the asses of your clients and overcharge them to tell them shit they already know. There's a big difference between that and dealing with "People." Upper management/CEO's aren't "People."
It sounds crass, but it's completely the case. Most of upper management and the people making upper 6 figures a year to manage companies aren't in any way interested in dealing with people. They are only interested in having their ass kissed and being told how awesome they are at every step of the way. Your job is to cater to that attitude, that is not a reflection of how anyone else deals with their mailman or the guy redoing their bathroom, or the guy fixing your car.
I live and work in the D.C/VA/MD area and we have, quite literally, millions of these middle-class, white collar workers who deal with clients and customers on a daily basis in an office setting. Facial hair, let alone full-blown beards, are so incredibly rare in this area that I can't remember the last time I saw one outside of a Starbucks cashier.
The sad fact is that when you get to a certain level of customer-facing work, having facial hair or other extreme features becomes a possible detriment to your job performance. It's just a matter of stereotyping and public perception. It might not matter when you're selling Slurpees at the gas station, but if you're meeting with representatives from government agencies and other private companies (as I do almost every day in my job, and I make far from 6 figures) your appearance and how people view you matters.
Last edited by McCheese; 02-17-2013 at 01:48 PM.
Yeah, like I said before...regional thing. DC VA is a lot of government. No shit there's gonna be a lot of clean cut West Point looking boys there.
In the frigid northland? Much different scenario.
My only objection is that it's too broad a swathe to paint, which is all I've argued.
Even here in the great white north you're going to be hard pressed to find a professional type job while keeping a beard of that nature.
You're projecting again.Originally Posted by Cutlery
Hell, most days I'm several days unshaven, mainly because I have to shave my head as well if I want it to look even, and that's a pain in the ass. I also wear either jeans or my cargo pants and a high quality plain t-shirt. The most "odd" thing I wear are my five-fingers. Goddamn I love those shoes.
People have already stated that in IT you really get to do your own thing most of the time and collect your paycheck.
Be known that everyone thinks you're a weirdo for wearing your five fingers
I love growing a full beard, an it seems to be much more accepted in the midwest. My strategy is always clean shaven for getting the job, become friendly and acquainted at work (especially with your bosses) and then grow it out. I was able to get mine to just around my collar because I told them I was doing a charity beard event in October. Nobody had a problem
Discrimination against the caveman beard is sexist!!
I have a full beard and work in a professional capacity mostly related to engineering and design. My dad has as well at least for the last 40 years and works in the same field as I do. I've had mine for right at 20 years. I started with it at first so I was the one in the office that wasn't sent to pick up drawings at Exxon because they didn't allow beards. I've never noticed a drawback to it and I know lots of business owners, engineers, project managers who have them. Of course this is the south and even business owners pulling down a million or more a year are wearing jeans to work, unless it's a special occasion.
The only time I shave it is maybe once a year if I have a meeting inside a chemical plant or refinery that I can't get into with a beard. I will say the gray in the beard looks better the shorter you keep it trimmed. The longer you let it grow out the more the grey sticks out. It's also amusing to trim your beard and people say "I see you got a haircut" for whatever reason they think you got a haircut.
Normally it's a little more trimmed than this, but this was after 4 weeks of camping/backpacking.
Last edited by Borzak; 03-08-2013 at 02:34 AM.
My experience with engineering jobs is similar to what other people have said. If someone showed up in slacks and a tie they were definitely giving a presentation that day and even then they were kind of looked at as suck ups. I have watched many presentations delivered by a man in blue jeans, tennis shoes, and a polo shirt with three days of stubble or a shitty beard and no one gave a damn. People would even wear shorts to work, although this was somewhat controversial. Of course this was in Northern California where they stretch the limits of "business casual" to the breaking point. I know the East coast is a lot more formal.
Here in Texas, I've applied for, and gotten, 3 jobs with facial hair ranging from monstrous chops to Castaway beard. Every time, I get compliments and idle discussion about my beard.
At my current gig, I've got the biggest beard I've ever grown, and get people at my desk daily to come touch it or ask my if I've seen Duck Dynasty.
I work in IT.
Since you work in IT, guys wanting to touch beard isn't at least creepy?
The guys in IT are hoping that by touching his beard they too will be able to grow out their beards for their next larp session, so they can finally be a wizard.
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