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    Swaystation vs Xbone

    Ok here's the forum contest rules.

    There's two contests. Each one is to guess the total North American sales for the Xbox One and PS4. The first contest runs until March 31st 2014. The second contest runs until March 31st 2015.

    A reasonably formatted entry would be:

    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 500,000
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 4 million

    Deadline for entry is midnight Nov 15th (PS4's release).

    Winner will be determined by total difference between their guess and the results. If any disagreement occurs between who wins an anonymous vote will be had. No price is right faggotry in the contest. If you're 10 units over and another guy is 20 units under you beat him.

    The winner will receive a COLORED TITLE!
    Abefroman
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3.2 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.5 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 8 milion
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6 million

    An Accordion
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3.2 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.9 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5.3 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6.4 million

    Antarius
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3.5 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 10 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 3 million

    DickTrickle
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 4.23 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.89 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 8.9 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6.34 million

    Dioblaire
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.6 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.175 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 4.3 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 3.5 million

    Eonan
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 6 Million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 4.2 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 13 Million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 8.1 Million

    Fadaar
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3.1 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.0 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5.5 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5.3 million

    Foggy
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.90 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.75 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5.8 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 3.2 million

    Jooka
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3.4 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.1 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 9 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 7 million

    Malakriss
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 4.2 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.7 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 10.6 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5.4 million

    Nate
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 5.65 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 4.45 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 9.25 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 7.75million

    Noodleface
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.1 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.8 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 7.3 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6.6 million

    Northerner
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.6M
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.1M
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 11M
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 2.8M

    Pancreas
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1,750,001 units
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1,015,002 units
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 4,685,003 units
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 3,480,004 units

    Ritley:
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.3 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.1 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 8 million

    Sean
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.5 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 900,000
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 7.5 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 3 million

    The Master
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.1 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 8.2 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5.3 million

    Trollicious
    PS4 SALES MARCH 31 2014 2 MILLION
    XBONE SALES 1.1 MILLION
    PS4 SALES MARCH 31 2015 8.5 MILLION
    XBONE SALES 5 MILLION

    Tuco
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3 mill
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2 mill
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 9 mill
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6 million

    Utnayan
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 6.4 Million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3.2 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 15 Million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 7.8 Million

    Vaclav
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 2.2 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.1 million
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 5 million
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 4.2 million

    Valos
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 5,565,000
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 3,345,000
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 8,850,000
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 6,820,000

    Xarpolis
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 1.9 mill
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2014: 750,000
    PS4 NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 7.5 mill
    Xbox NA Sales by March 31st 2015: 4 million
    Last edited by Tuco; 11-15-2013 at 03:01 AM.
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    http://www.edge-online.com/news/playstation-4-revealed/

    some more info...

    was really hoping they'd redesign the controller to something like 360's
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    Quote Originally Posted by an accordion View Post
    was really hoping they'd redesign the controller to something like 360's
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    Last edited by Drinsic; 02-01-2013 at 06:01 PM.
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    also chocolate release the same chemical in the brain that the feeling of love does, so i am training them to love giving me blowjobs
    Draegan's a faggot.

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    I'd like to get on record the people who think the next gen consoles will have less than 4gigs of ram.

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    Kotaku's report from last week about the PS4 said it will have 8GB

    http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-playst...e-specs-so-far

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    Most of the rumors say the PS4 will have 4GB of unified GDDR5 and the next Xbox will have 8GB of DDR3.

    They're also saying the PS4 will be the more powerful system.

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    More powerful or not it won't matter one bit because developers will develop for the lowest common denominator.

    I hope for lots of ram, storage, mouse / kb support for everything, full real browser and less gimmicky motion bull shit.

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    I could see a system being severely hampered if its power was significantly less than its competitor. In this cycle, for example, if the PS3 was significantly less powerful than Xbox360 it's very possible that more games wouldn't be made for the ps3 or would be trimmed down.

    Limiting to 4GB memory could definitely do it, but fortunately for memory size (As opposed to processing power) you can significantly reduce the memory budget by shrinking the textures size. It's by no means trivial to do it well, but it's how it's done already since the artists aren't natively working with fucking 128x128 textures.

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    Will be focusing solely on MS next generation because I'm really jaded with Nintendo and I'm not very confident in Sony. Bring on the Kinect 2.0 and IllumiRoom!

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    According to that Edge Online article linked above the PS4 will have 8GB.

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    It looks like Sony has learned some lessons from the PS3's failures, which is great. I'm actually looking forward to both consoles now (never bought a PS3). Nintendo is still in the penalty box until they can prove they can do more than throw out gimmicks and hasty rehashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by an accordion View Post
    http://www.edge-online.com/news/playstation-4-revealed/

    some more info...

    was really hoping they'd redesign the controller to something like 360's
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    probably won't happen but would be sick if ps4 was backwards compatible.

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    Why wouldn't it happen? PS3 was

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    Because the PS3 architecture is fucked up and maybe Sony wont want to put a Cell processor into the PS4?

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    didn't they quickly phase it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    Why wouldn't it happen? PS3 was
    Cost.

    Which was why it got removed from PS3.

    Which is why I'm sad mine doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hateyou View Post
    Cost.

    Which was why it got removed from PS3.

    Which is why I'm sad mine doesn't have it.
    Mine's backwards compatible and I've played a grand of... 3 PS2 games on it.
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    This will be the last generation of consoles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    This will be the last generation of consoles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Inquisitor Kegkilla View Post
    lol
    I think (hoping) he's referring to technological convergence, not that people will not be playing console games anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    This will be the last generation of consoles.
    In what way? Will Sony and Microsoft start making them built into TVs? How else will they distribute games? Sony and Microsoft aren't going to stop making consoles so all they can do is shift forms but will still be consoles in nature.

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    And then steambox comes out, all Gabe drones buy it. Destroys all other consoles on the market.

    But no really, I hope PS4 does support Mouse/Keyboard and that they will look more into cross platform multiplayer. I love my ps3, esp for it's exclusive titles, but fuck I'd like to play some fightans with my friends who own xboxs, or anything else for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy View Post
    In what way? Will Sony and Microsoft start making them built into TVs? How else will they distribute games? Sony and Microsoft aren't going to stop making consoles so all they can do is shift forms but will still be consoles in nature.
    Theyll simply become obsolete like arcades did or any other technology/product does? Technology is moving way way too fast for the business model of consoles to keep pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    Theyll simply become obsolete like arcades did or any other technology/product does? Technology is moving way way too fast for the business model of consoles to keep pace.
    They won't be obsolete as long as there is a market for AAA games and until mobile devices are able to really handle those consoles aren't going anywhere. This is definitely not the last generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    They won't be obsolete as long as there is a market for AAA games and until mobile devices are able to really handle those consoles aren't going anywhere. This is definitely not the last generation.
    I don't know. Cloud computing and we're already reaching a point where we just pack more pixels into shit because we can, not because it actually makes things look better at 60fps. I could see it, given that the 360 and PS3 have been out FOR-FREAKING-EVER.

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    Mobile chipsets are improving by leaps and bounds every year. It's crazy how far they've come in such a short amount of time.

    Stuff like Epic Citadel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0phPgXeRm78), for example, runs at 2048x1536 at 60fps on the iPad 4. Apple is in the middle of refreshing their current AppleTV with the A5X SoC used in the iPad 3 which would allow the Epic Citadel demo to run at 60fps at 1080p, too, which is pretty damn impressive for a $99 piece of kit. I do wonder what sort of effect they'll have on the console market once they release an App Store for the AppleTV.

    Gabe Newell made some interesting comments recently, too.

    "The threat right now is that Apple has gained a huge amount of market share, and has a relatively obvious pathway towards entering the living room with their platform," Newell said. "I think that there's a scenario where we see sort of a dumbed down living room platform emerging I think Apple rolls the console guys really easily. The question is can we make enough progress in the PC space to establish ourselves there, and also figure out better ways of addressing mobile before Apple takes over the living room?"

    "The biggest challenge, I don't think is from the consoles," Newell said. "I think the biggest challenge is that Apple moves on the living room before the PC industry sort of gets its act together."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    They won't be obsolete as long as there is a market for AAA games and until mobile devices are able to really handle those consoles aren't going anywhere. This is definitely not the last generation.
    And people didnt stop playing video games either when arcades bit the dust. They simply played them on a different medium.
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    You guys are grossly underestimating how much power we still need. We're not even remotely close to hitting a ceiling on visual fidelity. Plus there's a major issue with mobile devices and the storage capacity needed for large games. Not to mention the whole infrastructure of the internet making anything cloud based a total pipe dream for mass market use.

    It's going to be a while before we're at a point where everything progresses enough. It definitely won't be the last generation of consoles just on the issue of storage and how unfeasible cloud streaming is going to be for a long time. There's probably at least 2-3 more generations of consoles before mobile devices are ready to fully take over their purpose.

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    2-3 more generations? That is at least 16-24 years. This will be the last generation. 8 years is all it will take. Smartphones are really powerful as it is now and in 8 years they will be insanely powerful.

    The next next generation of devices will be a mobile device and you'll just put your mobile device on a dock hooked up to your TV and use a bluetooth controller to play the game on your TV. You can take it out of the dock and play it on the go with touchscreen controls(*shudders*).

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    I would be surprised if this next generation was longer than 5 years, this past one has been an anomaly.

    You are also overestimating the power that mobile devices have. Plus, the storage and memory issues really can't be ignored. The next consoles are both using 50gb blu-ray drives as a standard and have a memory bandwidth that is an order of magnitude higher than the X360/X720 and they have a hell of a lot more memory to work with as well. They are going to use much larger texture files and be able to push things that are a lot bigger and more of them through the systems. Mobile devices just cannot handle those things yet due to memory and storage. Memory and storage is not going to grow that fast for those devices.

    There is a hell of a lot more to a system than raw CPU/GPU power. Until Cloud Streaming of games is a feasible reality, which it isn't going to be for a long time because LOL US Internet Infrastructure, mobile devices aren't going to replace shit.

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    So y'all are suggesting mobile devices will be able to catch up with PC hardware? This new generation will STILL use physical medium and y'all think in 10 years we are going to be using cell phones to play 1080p games on our TVs (or whatever ridiculous quality we have by then)? Delusional.

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    I can definitely see the role of consoles shifting to be more like a media center rather than a gaming device but I don't see them disappearing anytime soon.

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    What you fail to realize is companies will milk the shit out of something till it is no longer possible. There is still plenty of possible out there.

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    In rough chronological order:

    1) Virtually all reports had the PS4 at 4GB of GDDR5 (3.5GB dev usable) and the 720 at 8GB of DDR3 (5GB dev usable).
    A)4GB does seem ridiculous, but console makers always skimp on RAM - remember the 360 was only aiming for 256MB until Epic slapped some sense into them.
    B)3GB reserved for the system for the 720 also seems ridiculous, but I don't think this is just OS - I think MS designed the system that all of the OS, user apps, Smart Glass output, (much higher res) Kinect camera input, VR goggles input/output, Youtube/Justin.tv output, maybe even TV recording/forwarding may or may not be active at any given time, and designed with a large pool of slower, cheaper RAM accordingly.
    C)Supposedly Sony has recently upped the RAM to 8GB to match the 720, but 4GB more of GDDR5 vs. DDR3 is much more of a financial hit.

    2) PS4 is almost certainly has no BC. PS3 managed it early on by simply including the PS2 processor, but trying to include Cell in the PS4 would be a technical nightmare. (You have to feel for guys like the Guacamelee devs - Sony has basically told them "You need to finish and entirely sell your game in the next ten months, because at that point the majority of people who would buy your game will have switched to a new system.")

    3) I fully expect there to be more generations of consoles. However,
    A)I expect the gap between gens to run even longer - I wouldn't expect your 1080 until at least 2020.
    B)Physical media will still be an option even then. Massive chunks of the world don't have the technology / business models to support today's game sizes, much less 2020's.
    C)I still am doubtful of the impact of the Steambox this gen. As already stated, they have to get around Windows emulation (though porting over OpenGL PS4 games is intriguing), and the array of third party Steamboxes they are evangelizing now is entirely missing the point of consoles (being able to code directly for one lesser cheaper hardware spec for better results).
    D)Smart phones continue to gain strength, but they aren't taking over before another generation of consoles (so 2020+). Game image size (not to mention getting that image to the phone), battery life, heat dissipation, etc. are all much bigger issues than you realize. And the biggest issue: UI. Secondly, while the Epic/Chair stuff is impressive, let's remember that resolution is one thing; geometry is another. Note how few character models, particle effects, amount of world textures, etc. you actually get in Infinity Blade.

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    this won't be the last generation of consoles. for one, 4k will become mainstream over the next 7 or 8 years (i'm hoping the PS4 includes the ability for 4k blu ray playback...), and there is still plenty of ground to cover in terms of graphic output capabilities. additionally, consumers are switching from PCs to tablets and Intel, AMD and Nvidia are shifting their focus from high performance PC hardware to more energy efficient hardware for laptops, tablets and smart phones. the market for traditional PC gaming will continue to dwindle, bringing consoles even more into focus.

    i don't think we'll see an "end" to consoles until smart phones have become so powerful that they can be docked with a TV and used as a console that provides a gaming experience on par with what consoles could offer, which is still a long ways off.

    i don't think this will even be the last generation of physical media. they could pull it off in Japan and Korea, but the broadband offerings in the US are still shit are not conducive to downloading giant game and movie files.
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    I really dont think any of you guys understand the fact that even though the PS4/720 are a year away from being released at the earliest, they are already outdated. The very high development time and cost of consoles simply cant compete anymore with the pace of technological advancement.
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    what the hell are you talking about? outdated? outdated compared to what? PCs? have you seen the sales numbers of console games vs PC games? it's a bloodbath. the development time and cost of consoles have always been significant, this is nothing new. console gaming today is as relevant as it has ever been, can't say the same about PC gaming.

    get it together Phoenix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    I really dont think any of you guys understand the fact that even though the PS4/720 are a year away from being released at the earliest, they are already outdated. The very high development time and cost of consoles simply cant compete anymore with the pace of technological advancement.
    This is both true and untrue in today's environment. The pace of PC performance development is still growing exponentially but look at modern gaming and see just how many games will run successfully on 5 year old computers. PC performance has reached a state where additional upgrades are not significantly impacting PC game development.

    The largest barriers to gaming right now is probably or slow internet infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selix View Post
    This is both true and untrue in today's environment. The pace of PC performance development is still growing exponentially but look at modern gaming and see just how many games will run successfully on 5 year old computers. PC performance has reached a state where additional upgrades are not significantly impacting PC game development.

    The largest barriers to gaming right now is probably or slow internet infrastructure.
    People still can't connect the dots between consoles being at the end of a long life cycle and pc games not making huge improvements in graphics? Games still run on 5 year old computers because the vast majority of games are designed to run on 8 year old consoles. Instead look at BF3 which could bring slightly dated computers to their knees on low settings.

    The moment the next gen comes out nobody will be running new games on old computers. And then over time the same thing will happen, PCs will pull insanely ahead in power with little enhancement to games because they will be designed for consoles with dated hardware.
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    I know I'm probably mostly on my own with this but I see the end of consoles and PC's being separate entities.

    I see Microsoft being fully enamored with the idea of the walled garden and the idea of an app store for all purchases. Cutting out the middle men and getting developers to release on single platform would solidify their dominance in gaming and give them a cut of hardware, software etc and retain full control.

    They could go full Apple on everyone, lock everything down and sue the shit out of anyone that put their OS on other machines (hackintosh precedences) all the while making shit tons of money as gamers really won't have any other choice. Especially since most of us already own a 360 or some other console. Really the thing holding this back are the mouse and keyboard controls and key genres like MMO and RTS. That is going to change.

    What I see this next gen doing is simply bridging more of the gaps between PC and consoles. Internet, media, TV, other storage and pc like control options. Solidify the use of these machines for the casuals replacing PCs and start migrating PC gamers over with the controls and one box (cheaper) setup. This allows them to also start pushing digital downloads more and get people into the one box mentality but most importantly get you tied to the eco system.

    Once the last bastion of PC gaming dominance is gone (keyboard mouse and MMO / FPS / RTS) there will be little reason for people to keep their PC upgraded for gaming. They won't care that Microsoft is making money hand over fist because it will be convenient and most of all cheaper (at least the hardware). Monthly pricing for hardware and live service even if a fuck job will get people buying and once they are tied in it will be hard to get them out. For some its all about the payments and Microsoft knows that.

    After this next gen comes to pass they could also let the current PC makers license to make the set hardware (think apple like upgrade cycles) but with strict hardware resctrictions. Don't want to play ball? No problem we'll make it ourselves and you can't put windows on PC's anymore. End result Microsoft gains shit tons more control, more money and most importantly they are relevant again. This leverage can be used for the other devices down the road as they start to suck less.

    Can't do that you say? Bull shit because Apple has been paving the way for closed eco systems since the Iphone and their PC's. They can do it so can Microsoft.

    What about businesses? No game version of the same box. Simple, throw away when done and say good bye to any conflicts / software issues since it all runs on the same hardware refreshed once a year. Development will be cake.

    Digital downloads and single hardware specifications have been the holy grail for microsoft and developers for a long time. No other vendors, no third party sales, no rental market, super easy to develop for because there is very little variation etc. Also on a locked down system piracy will be MUCH MUCH more difficult. Lots of buzzwords in there for CEO's looking to improve their bottom line as they sell their soul to these closed systems.


    TLDR:

    There is a lot more money to be made in a closed eco system and Microsoft has a hard on for Apple. It wouldn't surprise me to see them merge the PC and 360 lines into a single house which they take a lot more profits.
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    Red rings forever killed my faith in consoles. Am done with this bullshit. Besides, pc is where its at for me, mouse and keyboard baby. Plus my gf can watch all the tv she wants and am not in her way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rombo View Post
    Red rings forever killed my faith in consoles. Am done with this bullshit. Besides, pc is where its at for me, mouse and keyboard baby. Plus my gf can watch all the tv she wants and am not in her way.

    Make a console compatible with a mouse and keyboard and its a game changer. Realize it will plug into your monitor or TV just fine. I think a lot more people will consider dumping PC's for gaming if it happens. Especially if there is an app store for all the other goodies and third party software.

    Its also a shit ton easier to RMA a single box for a new one than to figure out if its your MB, ram, video card, power supply that is faulty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    They won't be obsolete as long as there is a market for AAA games and until mobile devices are able to really handle those consoles aren't going anywhere. This is definitely not the last generation.
    AAA games are destroying the (console) gaming industry. Look at the amount of money one costs to develop, and then look at the typical income if you're not making CODBLOPS 46: Army Recruitment Edition.

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    PC's, tv's and consoles all should have been merged a long time ago. I find it stupid that I still have to run an hdmi cable off my pc to watch the shows I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedwyn View Post
    Make a console compatible with a mouse and keyboard and its a game changer. Realize it will plug into your monitor or TV just fine. I think a lot more people will consider dumping PC's for gaming if it happens. Especially if there is an app store for all the other goodies and third party software.

    Its also a shit ton easier to RMA a single box for a new one than to figure out if its your MB, ram, video card, power supply that is faulty.
    You can already use a mouse on the PS3. Unless the consoles comes packed in with a mouse and keyboard it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furious View Post
    PC's, tv's and consoles all should have been merged a long time ago. I find it stupid that I still have to run an hdmi cable off my pc to watch the shows I want.
    you don't.
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    Unless you want your PC to be bogged down with so much DRM that it makes Apple devices look like open platforms by comparison, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

    What I find most disturbing about this thread is that the people talking about the extremely retarded and [thankfully] impractical ideas actually sound like they want that shit to happen.
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    What people don't really consider is the fact that there exists a CPU and gpu ceiling on mobile devices and it is cooling. If you think that they can infinitely expand these devices to be competitive with consoles and pcs you are sadly mistaken. I wouldn't be surprised if we are already incredibly close to maxing out at our current hardware designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    What people don't really consider is the fact that there exists a CPU and gpu ceiling on mobile devices and it is cooling. If you think that they can infinitely expand these devices to be competitive with consoles and pcs you are sadly mistaken. I wouldn't be surprised if we are already incredibly close to maxing out at our current hardware designs.
    there are certainly hurdles to overcome, but it's not a matter or whether or not they will be, it's a matter of when.

    what the future holds is everyone's smart phone device being docked with a monitor to become a PC, car to become a GPS device/assistant, and TVs to become a media player and eventually gaming console.

    obviously gaming console will be the last, but it will happen, I have foreseen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy View Post
    People still can't connect the dots between consoles being at the end of a long life cycle and pc games not making huge improvements in graphics? Games still run on 5 year old computers because the vast majority of games are designed to run on 8 year old consoles. Instead look at BF3 which could bring slightly dated computers to their knees on low settings.

    The moment the next gen comes out nobody will be running new games on old computers. And then over time the same thing will happen, PCs will pull insanely ahead in power with little enhancement to games because they will be designed for consoles with dated hardware.
    This is very very true. My PC isn't top of the line or anything but its pretty decent. I have been able to play just about every game with the settings maxed every slider maxed etc. The first few games to finally stress my machine were BF3, Farcry 3 and Hitman 3 and I believe FC3 and HM3 use the same engine. I have heard that FC3/HM3 sometimes even have fps issues on the consoles. They have to design these games to run on 7+ year old hardware unless they want it to be PC exclusive. Once the consoles are near todays PCs we will finally see some more bleeding edge stuff and the cycle will continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    What people don't really consider is the fact that there exists a CPU and gpu ceiling on mobile devices and it is cooling. If you think that they can infinitely expand these devices to be competitive with consoles and pcs you are sadly mistaken. I wouldn't be surprised if we are already incredibly close to maxing out at our current hardware designs.
    This is pretty much a non-statement - of course anyone that thinks something can expand infinitely is mistaken, and obviously the current designs are maxing heat dissipation for that design, because that is a serious issue for them that they have to design around. That doesn't mean anything though, as that has been true of almost every generation of smart phone, and they have continued to massively increase in capabilities regardless.

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    From a bean counting perspective, it makes a lot of sense that future generations of console should last longer and longer. Unless the business model massively changes, there are a number of variable that were true in 1985 are true today and will be true in 2030.

    One of these variable is the installed base. I doubt any single home console will ever sell more than the PS2, but on a generation basis the market is somewhat expending (currently, PS2 + XBOX > PS3 + X360 but the PS3 will still be sold for a number of years and the Wii opening a market of its own changed the dynamic).

    Another of these variable is the selling price of games: The price of the standard new game has decreased over the years and the average even more so with the re-release of best sellers at reduced price (something that was introduced for consoles with the PS1 if I remember well).

    A third is the development costs: No magic here, these are on the rise. The more powerful the console, the more detailed the assets, the more time it takes to make them. This is mitigated by know-how and the increase in power of the tools used to create these assets. Something to keep in mind: it took one day to create a car for GT on the PS1, one week on the PS2.


    At this point you might see a dream breaking thing: the AAA game, the game that tries to make the most out of the power of the hardware, is constrained by cold hard bean counting to the point where the power of the hardware will become irrelevant, because the cost of making full use of the hardware will be too big to ever hope to turn a benefit (not to mention that from a visual fidelity perspective, there is a brutal diminishing return on power investment).


    Let's add a fourth variable, the initial investment: when you start working on a new console, you need to buy new dev tools, you need to learn to use them, you need to figure out the in and outs of the new hardware and this takes money and time, and time is money.

    Consider this fourth variable and the fact the installed base does not go magically from 0 to MAX in a day and you can see that the longer a generation last and the less of an impact this cost has. On top of that, each new game in a generation benefits from the know how, the tools and the engines created from the previous games. With the increased asset creation costs, longer generations give more chance to publishers to actually make money.

    That being said, one of the bright mind at the head of Ubi Soft wished for new consoles a couple years ago, to create excitement and energize the market, because it seems consumers simply grow bored of their hardware if it lasts too long. Also, business models do change: DLC, sponsored exclusives, retailer funded exclusive DLC, subscription based games, in game advertisement... these are all tools to make it viable to create high budget games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szlia View Post
    That being said, one of the bright mind at the head of Ubi Soft wished for new consoles a couple years ago, to create excitement and energize the market, because it seems consumers simply grow bored of their hardware if it lasts too long.
    It's not just Ubisoft either. Pretty much every third party developer has said that this console generation has lasted way too long, it's a bad thing to have them last this long, and that they don't want it to happen again. Another big thing mentioned by them is that new console generations are the best thing for launching new IPs and taking risks and that the current length of this generation has really stagnated that.

    Sony/Microsoft may want longer generations, but no game developer does and they've made themselves pretty vocal about that. The big third party studios also told Sony and Microsoft that if they don't use standard hardware this coming generation that they could go fuck themselves (this drastically reduces the cost of producing multiplatform games with the Xbox/Playstation/PC all using an X86 architecture base). Hopefully their influence in making hardware more standard will also lead to generations that are back to a 5 year cycle.

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    The problem is that pretty soon you will not be able to generate excitement with new hardware on its technical merits. Not only because of the cost of using the resources of the hardware, but because of the diminishing return of power for visual fidelity. There are 4k screens looming in the somewhat distant horizon, but once they are broadly accepted (in 2025 considering the infrastructure and data storage evolution that need to take place to make it a viable format) it's game over on that front because the human eye has its limits too.

    For excitement to be maintained, the model needs to be broken. It could be through the interface (see EyeToy, Wii, Kinect, PS Move, WiiU, etc), but then developers also face a problem of common denominator (a lesser one though if art assets and graphic engines can be reused on the different machines). Console makers also face a relevancy problem: it's hard to make a new control scheme that is not perceived as gimmicky and has depth and lasting power (see lack of Kinect and PSMove games, poor WiiU sales, etc). Obviously, with the PS4 Sony tries some of that with the track-pad (which sounds oddly placed at the moment) and also goes the semi-desperate gimmick move with the share button (my pre-facebook teenage years may be speaking here, but dedicating a button on a controller to share pictures and video clips sounds absolutely retarded and forced down the throat of the engineering by a crappy marketing team).

    Another possibility is a major change in graphic engines technology that would provide a leap in visual fidelity, require a lot of horsepower while not making the art creation bill explode. We saw a kind of similar idea with physics dedicated cards on the PC and stereoscopic 3D (stillborn for the n-th time). A possible evolution could be in lightning engines, but again, artists and current engines and are pretty good at tricking and faking with limited processing costs, so doing less of that and relying on the processing power more might not be that huge of a visual leap. Another could be tessellation algorithms that cost a lot of processing resources but could improve visual fidelity with little monetary cost. We also now there are several non-polygonal ways of handling 3D but, as far as I know, all come with severe drawbacks (notably when it comes to animation), making a post-polygonal era somewhat unlikely without a major breakthrough.


    Then again, I guess you can manufacture excitement through marketing even if there is little to be actually excited about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szlia View Post
    Then again, I guess you can manufacture excitement through marketing even if there is little to be actually excited about...
    That's exactly how Apple makes it's money. Selling people new console hardware that is only 300-400 bucks every 5 years is not hard, especially if Microsoft really pushes the cell phone contract style $99 + lease route.

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    This coming generation is going to be interesting to watch, anyway. Relatively common hardware plus ridiculous one-user DRM means that if developers can't stop going bankrupt then it's not the consoles or the consumers that are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Inquisitor Kegkilla View Post

    what the future holds is everyone's smart phone device being docked with a monitor to become a PC, car to become a GPS device/assistant, and TVs to become a media player and eventually gaming console.

    obviously gaming console will be the last, but it will happen, I have foreseen it.
    While that will be a glorious day, the moment it breaks or it gets stolen.... *something about all your eggs in one basket*

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    i'm sure everything will be backed up via cloud computing, the devices will mostly serve to deliver processing power.
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    The iPhone is a bit of the exception and that may very well be the reason for its success, but the cell phone business model is more based on a flood of new models making it an absolute nightmare for software development, even worse than the PC and their bazillion potential configurations. Another big problem with cell phone is that the retail price for software is expected to be $0.99. The installed base is huge and impulse buys boosted by the low price, but success is also that much more volatile, so if you have a big budget game you are basically forced to also have a big budget advertisement campaign for it and hope your marketing team is good at its job or you will lose a LOT of money.

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    You think Sony/Microsoft want 10 year life cycles? I think none of you really understand just how far technology is advancing;

    2005;
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    2012;
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    Youre kidding yourself if you think consoles with their enormous development cost and long life times can keep up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    You think Sony/Microsoft want 10 year life cycles? I think none of you really understand just how far technology is advancing;
    Youre kidding yourself if you think consoles with their enormous development cost and long life times can keep up.
    They want to make a profit off any frontier they can speculate a return on investment.

    I'd pay ~$400 for a product that ensured me standardized delivery of quality entertainment and increasing utility for 4+ years - as would many of the people on this board and abroad.

    "Consoles" will always exist as long as the industry exists. The only thing potentially changing is the format of delivery. Even if we don't recognize it, there will be "consoles" providing an avenue of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    You think Sony/Microsoft want 10 year life cycles? I think none of you really understand just how far technology is advancing;

    2005;

    2012;

    Youre kidding yourself if you think consoles with their enormous development cost and long life times can keep up.
    The problem with that Samsung is who the fuck wants that giant piece of shit? You can't even fit it into your pocket. When I saw it in the store I just laughed, why not have a regular phone (iphone even) and a tablet?

    I still maintain the fact that they will hit a wall when it comes to thermal dissipation. Same thing happened with the CPU market and I guarantee it will happen in the smartphone market.. you can only go so far before you're holding a tablet up to your head to make phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    The problem with that Samsung is who the fuck wants that giant piece of shit? You can't even fit it into your pocket. When I saw it in the store I just laughed, why not have a regular phone (iphone even) and a tablet?

    I still maintain the fact that they will hit a wall when it comes to thermal dissipation. Same thing happened with the CPU market and I guarantee it will happen in the smartphone market.. you can only go so far before you're holding a tablet up to your head to make phone calls.
    I am of two minds on this. On the one hand, I wanted a phone like Derek Zoolander (smaller than a 9V battery), and on the other hand, the only problem with my nexus 7 is that I can't put it to my ear and make phone calls...

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    Gaming artists should really be commended for how many gamers think we're even close to flat returns on visual fidelity for more processing capability.

    I can't wait until the next generation of consoles makes the current generation look like Xbox/PS2.

    And the people who think that their shitty iphone is going to play modern AAA titles someday, lol. Give it a rest boys. Huge, hot and super-powerful gaming devices are here to stay.

    As for the 4k resolutions, I'll have to see it to make a judgement, but I have to imagine that the benefit to going from 1080 pixel height to 3840 pixel width is low on sub-50" screens. For gaming purposes I imagine there's much more benefit to the increased proliferation of 3-monitor displays (and bezeless versions of these) as well as 120hz refresh rates.

    All in all, people need to understand that exponential gains in processing power are matched in exponential gains in processing demand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    The problem with that Samsung is who the fuck wants that giant piece of shit? You can't even fit it into your pocket. When I saw it in the store I just laughed, why not have a regular phone (iphone even) and a tablet?

    I still maintain the fact that they will hit a wall when it comes to thermal dissipation. Same thing happened with the CPU market and I guarantee it will happen in the smartphone market.. you can only go so far before you're holding a tablet up to your head to make phone calls.
    I don't know why you're assuming that computing power and thermal generation has an unbreakably linear relationship.

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    4k won't catch on until mass entertainment can actually make it to the TV. Current cable doesn't even send 1080p so ya... we are a loooooooooooooong way off.

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    4k is pure snake oil and irrelevant for your average sized TVs and regular viewing distances. Due to visual acuity and how our eyes work, etc, we just cannot perceive the extra resolution detail. Unless you have a massive projector screen it's pointless.


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    I agree with the purpose of that graph but I think it's a little too aggressive where it states people can't notice differences. Then again I have 20/10 vision so I might be a little biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    I agree with the purpose of that graph but I think it's a little too aggressive where it states people can't notice differences. Then again I have 20/10 vision so I might be a little biased.
    You would be highly biased. That graph is based off a normal human vision of 20/20. It's more or less accurate for your average person. 20/10 is what, twice as good as normal vision?

    Fucking Tuco and his Super Eyes.

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    that graph is fucking dumb, people need to stop posting.

    4k broadcasts will also have a wider color gamut and I think more audio channels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    You would be highly biased. That graph is based off a normal human vision of 20/20. It's more or less accurate for your average person. 20/10 is what, twice as good as normal vision?
    Basically. I have no idea if that'd correspond to being able to perceive 720 vs 1080 at twice the distance or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Inquisitor Kegkilla View Post
    that graph is fucking dumb, people need to stop posting.

    4k broadcasts will also have a wider color gamut and I think more audio channels.


    It's not dumb. It's fucking math and science that 4k is nonsense for regular sized TVs. You can also have a wider color gamut without going to 4k, that's purely in how you encode the video and has nothing to do with resolution.

    Audio has also dick all to do with video resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    Gaming artists should really be commended for how many gamers think we're even close to flat returns on visual fidelity for more processing capability.

    I can't wait until the next generation of consoles makes the current generation look like Xbox/PS2.

    And the people who think that their shitty iphone is going to play modern AAA titles someday, lol. Give it a rest boys. Huge, hot and super-powerful gaming devices are here to stay.

    As for the 4k resolutions, I'll have to see it to make a judgement, but I have to imagine that the benefit to going from 1080 pixel height to 3840 pixel width is low on sub-50" screens. For gaming purposes I imagine there's much more benefit to the increased proliferation of 3-monitor displays (and bezeless versions of these) as well as 120hz refresh rates.

    All in all, people need to understand that exponential gains in processing power are matched in exponential gains in processing demand.

    I don't know why you're assuming that computing power and thermal generation has an unbreakably linear relationship.
    It's not unbreakably linear, especially as we explore multi-core solutions or perhaps optical computing solutions. Didn't we run into this with the iphone5 where the extra space was needed for the CPU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    It's not unbreakably linear, especially as we explore multi-core solutions or perhaps optical computing solutions. Didn't we run into this with the iphone5 where the extra space was needed for the CPU?
    I agree with you then. And I have no idea about the iphone5. I do know that intel is targeting a sub-10nm process in this decade, which is incredible. Where they go after that in terms of density I have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    I agree with you then. And I have no idea about the iphone5. I do know that intel is targeting a sub-10nm process in this decade, which is incredible. Where they go after that in terms of density I have no idea.
    We have their internal roadmap here at work and even that is censored. I do know that they are definitely doing interesting things but if I shared any of it I'm sure I'd be arrested or assassinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    4k is pure snake oil and irrelevant for your average sized TVs and regular viewing distances. Due to visual acuity and how our eyes work, etc, we just cannot perceive the extra resolution detail. Unless you have a massive projector screen it's pointless.
    You're forgetting the other end of the spectrum. LG showed a 32" 4K display at CES this year. At a ~3' viewing distance (computer desk to chair) the difference between 1080p and 4K would be easily discernible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorph View Post
    You're forgetting the other end of the spectrum. LG showed a 32" 4K display at CES this year. At a ~3' viewing distance (computer desk to chair) the difference between 1080p and 4K would be easily discernible.
    This is the kind of thing I'd have to see to think was a big enough improvement to take the fps hit. There's already a huge difference in the resolution I'm able to run shit at and the incredibly low resolution of texture sizes available in games. I don't think it's obvious how bad texture sizes are in games until you play a game like Skyrim that has mods to give photo-realistic textures to the game.

    People who don't know any better just sort of accept the left side of the image, but once you play a game like Crysis/Skyrim etc other games with less resolution textures and everything is ruined.

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    I was speaking hypothetically, since we're talking consoles here and the PS4 will at best be able to play 4K blu-rays whenever they become available. Plus that LG panel is going to sell for at least $5000.

    PC games on a current ~30" monitor would already be running at 2560x1600, so I tend to agree that 4K would only be a significant improvement if the panel itself was also of much higher quality. You would get more out of going up to 120Hz rather than increasing pixel density, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorph View Post
    You're forgetting the other end of the spectrum. LG showed a 32" 4K display at CES this year. At a ~3' viewing distance (computer desk to chair) the difference between 1080p and 4K would be easily discernible.
    Well yeah, I was talking about Televisions, not PC Monitors. 4k, which is dumb as fuck and should just be called 2180p or whatever, is definitely great for Monitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Well yeah, I was talking about Televisions, not PC Monitors. 4k, which is dumb as fuck and should just be called 2180p or whatever, is definitely great for Monitors.
    Yeah I'm hoping they drop the 4k nomenclature because it implies 4k height instead of width.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    Yeah I'm hoping they drop the 4k nomenclature because it implies 4k height instead of width.
    They pretty much did. They're trying to rebrand it as "Ultra HD", but it's not sticking very well.

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    Nobody I know says HD anyway even if it's plastered all over marketing. We're counting pixels here boys, if you're telling me how many pixels it has just tell me how many it has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    They pretty much did. They're trying to rebrand it as "Ultra HD", but it's not sticking very well.
    I agree, because for a while there was 2k and 4k as they where deving all the new stuff, and now that its getting close to retail 4k is actually what 2k was... and we had hight numbers for SD 480, HD 720 and 1080... and because 2k may not sell as much, they go with width and say 4k? bah...

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    We need to auto-correct 4k to 2160p in posts imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Well yeah, I was talking about Televisions, not PC Monitors. 4k, which is dumb as fuck and should just be called 2180p or whatever, is definitely great for Monitors.
    My PS3 sits on my desk next to my PC and uses a standard lcd panel. I expect I'll be doing the same for many years to come; I don't go in for all that couch-gaming nonsense.

    And they've started calling it 4K2K now. :/

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    I'm still waiting for HD-DVD's to take off

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    This is never going to matter for the longest of times anyway. No one is recording in this format, and most of those folks finally converted over to HD anyway. Anything else will be upscaled.

    I would say we are at least 10 years before this becomes even close to mainstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    The problem with that Samsung is who the fuck wants that giant piece of shit? You can't even fit it into your pocket. When I saw it in the store I just laughed, why not have a regular phone (iphone even) and a tablet?

    I still maintain the fact that they will hit a wall when it comes to thermal dissipation. Same thing happened with the CPU market and I guarantee it will happen in the smartphone market.. you can only go so far before you're holding a tablet up to your head to make phone calls.
    The note 2 wasn't to show that it specifically was a gaming machine, but to show the massive leap on technology in the tone since the release of the current generation. The 720 and ps4 already use 2 year old hardware and they are a year from release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    The note 2 wasn't to show that it specifically was a gaming machine, but to show the massive leap on technology in the tone since the release of the current generation. The 720 and ps4 already use 2 year old hardware and they are a year from release.
    And that 2 year old technology has more processing capacity than the next 10 years of smartphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Phoenix View Post
    The note 2 wasn't to show that it specifically was a gaming machine, but to show the massive leap on technology in the tone since the release of the current generation. The 720 and ps4 already use 2 year old hardware and they are a year from release.
    I know. The thing is when does that stop being a phone and start being a tablet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    It's not dumb. It's fucking math and science that 4k is nonsense for regular sized TVs. You can also have a wider color gamut without going to 4k, that's purely in how you encode the video and has nothing to do with resolution.

    Audio has also dick all to do with video resolution.
    point is there is more to the move to 4k than the bigger resolution if that doesn't tickle your fancy. whatever encoding is irrelevant if the TV isn't capable of producing the color. they recently finalized rec. 2020 that specifies all TVs being sold as 4K or ultra HD are going to have to be capable of a much wider color range than we've ever had before. it's probably more exciting than the resolution upgrade is.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodleface View Post
    I know. The thing is when does that stop being a phone and start being a tablet?
    Not at the current sizes. The note2 is an awesome piece of hardware, and has the sales figures to show for it. I have had a lot of people who thought that it would be too big to use as a phone or put in a pocket be very surprised when they found that wasn't true when they tried mine out. I've also had a bunch of people upgrade to it after using it for a bit ;p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    And that 2 year old technology has more processing capacity than the next 10 years of smartphones.
    Now that is a ridiculous projection - they are using oct core 1.6GHz right ? You are really suggesting that will be beyond smartphone processors in *TEN YEARS* ? They are using lower spec 1.6GHZ quad right now in things that are already available. GPU is more questionable, given we have not even sketchy specs, but ten years ? Seriously ? ;p

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    Quote Originally Posted by velk View Post
    Now that is a ridiculous projection - they are using oct core 1.6GHz right ? You are really suggesting that will be beyond smartphone processors in *TEN YEARS* ? They are using lower spec 1.6GHZ quad right now in things that are already available. GPU is more questionable, given we have not even sketchy specs, but ten years ? Seriously ? ;p
    Ok maybe ten years is a lot. Maybe 7 or 8 would be more realistic. And I'm including the entire package of cpu and gpu into a platform's processing capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    Ok maybe ten years is a lot. Maybe 7 or 8 would be more realistic. And I'm including the entire package of cpu and gpu into a platform's processing capability.
    so you acknowledge that smart phones in 7-8 years will be on par as the PS4/Xbox720, but you don't believe that eventually smart phones will dock to TVs/monitors and replace traditional PCS and consoles?
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    What I still can't fathom is why anyone would want that to happen.

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    What I can't fathom is why the fuck you don't want it to happen. Fuck being chained to a desk.

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    4k may never go mainstream. There is already a strong threat for a straight jump to 8k. Either way that shit is a good 10 years off from even being close to mainstream. It's hard enough to get people to switch from DVD to Blu-Rays. Getting people to move away from their 1080p TV's will be even harder.

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    hopefully 4k blu rays are able to be downscaled and played on 1080p TVs so i can stop buying the 1080p without having to spring for the TV just yet.
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