It was solid. I am worried about where the show can go past the first season but this first season should be good.
Did anyone watch this? It was kinda good, even if the framing of the plot was rather forced.
I think it's technically illegal not to watch something with Kevin Bacon in it.
It was solid. I am worried about where the show can go past the first season but this first season should be good.
this was hilariously bad. i was gonna come defend kevin bacon, because he has made good movies in his career, but holy shit some of the things they have him do in this show are so cheesetastic they could only have been pulled off by kevin bacon.
ill give this a few more episodes to improve, but im not very hopeful. it feels like they wrapped everything up nicely in that one episode. just gotta round up the wannabes.
Well, I think it's a common trait for sociopaths to "cut their teeth" on animals.
I thought the pilot was decent. Although the serial-killer "following" is similar to The Mentalist's Red John. But, a reader on TWOP made the comment that sociopaths don't operate that way. They are inherently self-centered individuals and its highly unlikely they would be taking orders from and worshiping some other dude.
The whole point of the show is that these arent sociopaths. People have grown accustomed to the idea that serial killing is the result of sociopathy and that isn't the case for these individuals. Its serial killing as a cult which is a whole different ball of wax and thus makes it harder for the FBI types to adjust.
I read this review yesterday
Kevin Williamson has forgotten more about horror than I'll ever learn. His scripts for both the big screen ("I Know What You Did Last Summer") and small ("Dawson's Creek") are overflowing with a love of popular culture and horror stories in particular. His movie debut, 1996's "Scream," breathed new life into a thoroughly played-out genre by making a slasher movie where all the characters were aware they were in a slasher movie, and of the rules that govern such a story.
His new FOX drama "The Following" (it debuts Monday night at 9) is informed by Williamson's devotion to another kind of horror story: tales of charismatic, omniscient serial killers, particularly as popularized by "Silence of the Lambs" and the other Hannibal Lecter films. But here, the tone is deadly serious throughout. It's a series riddled with clichés, but without anyone to point them out along the way.
Kevin Bacon, following his wife Kyra Sedgwick's path to television, plays Ryan Hardy, an FBI agent forced into retirement after being wounded apprehending Joe Carroll (James Purefoy from "Rome"), a literature professor turned serial killer who murdered young women as a salute to the works of Edgar Allen Poe. In the series' opening moments, Carroll escapes from prison, leaving another trail of blood in his wake, and Hardy is awoken from an alcoholic slumber to help catch him —and, it turns out, the many followers he inspired and trained during his incarceration.
So it's basically Hannibal Lecter as cult leader, only if Lecter were somehow more pretentious and less charming (the downgrade from Anthony Hopkins to Purefoy), constantly dropping Poe references in an attempt to seem deeper and more meaningful than he actually is —or than "The Following" actually is.
Williamson and his writers attempt to examine the motivations behind Carroll and his acolytes, but they usually amount to some combination of name-dropping and psycho-babble, like this absolute hum-dinger of a monologue from the second episode, delivered by Annie Parisse as one of Hardy's new FBI pals:
"Carroll's using Poe's work as a religion. He's speaking to people through Gothic Romanticism. There's a pathology to today's Internet techno-bred minds. He's created a vacancy in our humanity. Find the ones with additional disorders, jackpot. Enter a handsome, charismatic man who can touch them, make them feel their lives for the first time. He conditions them. The only way to truly live is to kill."
Parisse plays it self-deprecating —she concludes the speech by saying, "Or some crap like that" —but it's clearly meant to be a brilliant insight into this man, and the state of a society that breeds others like him. But it's just gibberish, there to try to justify the quantity and quality of baroque acts of violence without really saying anything about why we're really fascinated by characters like Lecter, John Doe from "Se7en" or Dexter Morgan. "The Following" plays at examining both the pathology of these killers and the tropes of their stories —Carroll announces that he's writing a new book based on these events, and begins breaking Hardy and others down into character types —but mainly it seems to take delight in depicting the extremes to which Carroll and his followers will go.
I'm not saying that Williamson is obligated to turn every horror story he tells into a deconstruction of the genre, nor a PhD thesis about the pathology of serial killers and those who love them (with or without "today's Internet techno-bred minds"). But the hollowness of "The Following" means that the only thing there is to focus on is the actual storytelling, and it's lacking.
At the Television Critics Association press tour earlier this month, Williamson referred to "24" (which used to air in this timeslot) as "my favorite show of all time," and you can definitely see some of that show's DNA here —specifically in the way that other than Ryan Hardy himself, virtually any character at any time can be revealed to be a mole trained by Joe Carroll. And the problem is that when anyone can be a surprising villain, then no one actually is. Seemingly trustworthy figures pop out of the shadows so often brandishing a gun, knife or nastier death implement (Carroll's signature is putting out his young female victim's eyes with an icepick) that it becomes wearying —if not comical —after a few episodes.
The weary gravity of Bacon's performance holds things together to a point, and the one deviation from cliché that the series takes is in making Hardy a man whose problem is identifying too deeply with the victims —"The kill makes it personal, you unravel," he's told —when the usual gimmick is that the profiler learns to think too much like the killer. Bacon alone kept me watching at least an episode longer than I otherwise might have.
We're in the middle of a boom of serial killer-driven television. "Criminal Minds" shows no sign of going away anytime soon. "Dexter" is more popular than ever. NBC has an actual Hannibal Lecter series coming up later this year, and A&E is debuting "Bates Motel," a "Psycho" prequel series about the young Norman Bates, in March. There's an unending fascination for this kind of show —or related gore like AMC's wildly popular "The Walking Dead" —and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if "The Following" were a big, bloody hit for FOX.
But success and quality don't always neatly overlap, and "The Following" is a show that's disturbing without actually being scary, and that approaches deep, dark subjects without having anything real to say about them. Williamson may have put thought into what this show is about, but what comes across on screen is an empty exercise in fetishizing the charismatic evil of serial killers. Alan Sepinwall may be reached at [email protected] YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE Comments Rate It Rate It TV Ratings: 'The Following'
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"And the problem is that when anyone can be a surprising villain, then no one actually is."
I actually shut this crap off after
By that point I was just laughing at how silly this show is. No thanks.Spoiler:
second episode was fucking horrible. caroll is choking his ex wife in with the feds watching through CCTV and it wasnt until kevin bacon says. arrgh! we gotta get in there now! did they move off their asses. ill give this one more then im done.
I like Kevin Bacon enough to keep watching for awhile, but yeah, the whole "anyone can be a villain" thing is going to get old fast. They are already hinting that the FBI lady that specializes in cults might even be one...or are they just playing out suspicious scenes to keep us guessing on every single character? Fuck, at this point the wife could even be in on it.
i think what pisses me off most is this is almost exactly like season 1 of 24 and this show has no purpose and its in 24's timeslot. everyone who is in danger in this show stays in the house and of course somebody sneaks in for the kill. fat security guard dude fucking ninja stealths into this house to kill caroll's wife then bacon asks her afterward. would you be ok if we moved you somewhere safe? and she says something like "to where?" and i yelled at the tv, how about somewhere they dont have the fucking blueprints to?
and yeah the shifty eyes shit at the end between the fed and carrol was so facepalmy. i was like uh is she one of "them" and is there a cellphone smuggled in that book?
Didn't the Manson group all take orders from one freak?
This is one of the worst written shows I've seen in many, many years. It's too bad, because I like Kevin Bacon and the rest of the cast is solid.
When I saw the first previews for this coming on over here, all I could think is, "Holy fuck, how broke are all these movie stars that they are all turning to TV series?"
HEY what's with the chick from Person of Interest doing in this? Are they dropping that storyline?
I'll watch it until Bacon gets to say "The facts of the case are these" blah blah "These are the facts, and they are, indisputable."
so basically this show introduces new characters each week and they either are "one of them" or "one of them's" next victim. i like the reveal this week, the 2 guys posing as faggots are keeping a secret , dun dun DUN that they really are faggots. mind blown.
i dunno, should i keep watching this schlock? there is a cute girl at work who watches this and thinks its the greatest thing ever and when i talk to her i pretend i love it too. or do i go all astrocreep and tell her shes a fucking moron for continuing to follow this shit?
Is she ever going to sleep with you? If yes, keep saying you like it. If no, tell her the truth in such a way that doesn't put her down so much, but makes it clear you don't care to suck up to her. It is your only chance to get the cooter at this point. A tiny chance most likely if she hasn't evidenced a desire to bang you already, but the only one you've got.
maybe she will lose interest and watch something else. i keep trying to get her to watch Arrow. hehe
Then there are genuinely broke assholes like Chevy Chase.
The pacing on this show has completely died. The cut in flashbacks make me feel like the editor has severe ADD.
I'm guessing this show dropping to page 3 is the death-knell, eh? I've only watched the first episode and it was ok. Should I just delete this off the DVR?
This forum is pretty much the only palce I've seen or haerd negative things about this show. I don't watch it but my wife and every single person in her office and on her Facebook are obsessed with it and all my co workers give me crap for not watching it. I'm just not interested but it seems like every single person I know loves it.
i hate it Tarrant, so therefore it means its the best ever. go watch it, dude!
seriously though, its terrible rubbish. Imagine every cliche 24 used during its entire run all compacted into one season, then add mindless writing centering around a missing boy who overhears his kidnappers revealing themselves as villains and then blindly believes whatever bullshit they tell him.
What you described is the forumla used in some of TV's most popular shows.
So it's not surprising it seems so popular.
Also the Astro Forumla only applies to movies, not TV shows.
i dunno if most popular shows focus the whole season around a kidnapped boy and wondering who is "the Mole" multiple times an episode. and my opinions on movies are the same on TV. so you clearly are missing out. drop what you are doing and see this show. your friends demand it.
Ragefire - Snatty / Vlett
Tunare - Sethlen / Ryoh
Vulak - Snatty / Terran
Stormrage - Vlett (RIP WoW)
Balmung - Vlett Byrn
Trakanon - Vlett
Wife made me start watching this show, I was kind of looking forward to it because I like Kevin Bacon but what a pile of steaming shit. Thank god she got fed up with it after the third episode and went on a maniacal tirade about how terrible the writers were so now it's off our DVR. I'm lucky that her taste in TV shows isn't too bad so we don't have to put up with these shitty series for too long.
My wife had heard good things about it too. So I went and downloaded the first 4 episodes. I quit after the second, and she got halfway through the third. It's just not very good.
Seems nowadays everything has a horse in it. :-P
I was just teasing you. Watch it or not. Its up to you. I still do because I like pussy. Chick at work is still raving about this show. :-(
It's pretty bad. I'm so fucking sick of the heart issue too. Dude needs to die of a heart attack already.
heh us lonely guys gotta do what we can to get some. if i start getting regular pussy, that benefits everyone here, because ya know i will post much less.That's the most honest review of a show I've ever heard.
Makes me wonder why I am still watching it when it is so terrible. The surprise moles this episode were terrible too I don't even have pussy as a reason.
this could be the worst TV show i have ever seen in my adult life. its such a hackjob. they even stole the music sting from Nightmare on Elm Street this week. although Bacon's dialogue after he got captured was so cheesy and his performance so overacted. it was sort of a work art when you think about it. how many more episodes of this shit left?
Marathoned everything up to tonight in the past two days, haven't read any posts.
Worst. Cops. And. Agents. Ever. Shit is ridiculous.
I'm sticking with it through this season but I can't imagine any way I'd stick around after that. I could forgive the silly GOTCHA shit and some of the overwrought acting if not for the absolutely retarded cop/FBI field stuff.
heyas Grim. are you still watching Fast and Loud? they are working on a literal rust bucket this week.
Yeah this past episode just reset everything. I HATE THAT. I can see right now they're going to drag the kidnapping out to the season (and probably series) finale.
Im pretty sure this show was made for bitches. All the hens on my fb discuss this show like its a serious drama.
i missed that one, but they recapped this week. damn that car got slammed. they are working a 76 bronco this week. its so beat.
i will be very surprised if Kevin Bacon ever finds work again after this show is cancelled. his contribution tonight. "no! no! no! kill me! kill me! kill mee! noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!"
the following was renewed for season 2 lol
They only check those after the fact. Considering that every person to visit him has turned out to be a murderer and conspirator I don't see any reason why they'd try and use that as a tool to do something proactive. Maybe eventually they will, but they'll just send like one mall cop in to follow the lead alone. In the woods. At night. Blindfolded.
Also the mall cop will be Joe Carrol's twin brother who visited him every week.
It's just bad... I do think the FBI dude who's on Ryan's nuts is deep cover for joe.
I've actually been figuring all along that the FBI chick in charge (the cult specialist) is probably the big season ending reveal.
At least you'll have something to romance that girl with for another year.
lol, i dunno man maybe pussy isnt that important if i have to sit through 2 years of this show. at least on the net its only 40 minutes long and kevin bacon provides the lolz. at this point im not even sure if hes trying to be serious anymore.
I know a guy on another forum who is in the FBI. He thinks this is the funniest show ever. Said he bailed for good after the "raid" on the farm when the two guys got the drop on the agents. Also said everyone in his office was laughing at the part when fake Monaghan told Bacon he "wrote his thesis at academy" on his book.
Bump to trash this show more...
My wife and her friends worship this show. It's nuts.
This week had a fair amount of torture porn and tacked on sex scenes. And those are the positives.
I haven't watched this since the premiere, but it didn't look that bad to me. On the other hand we've got folks that claim to despise it yet watch it regularly. What's up with that?
I still watch it, but it's more in the "highway accident" sense than because it's any good. I like Kevin Bacon (not that he's particular brilliant in this or anything), but the writing really is a total train wreck. There hardly goes 5 minutes by without some stupid, illogical scene or incident.
so random stranger recognizes random black chick as claire matthews and says, she needs to call a cop, and then acts as her bodyguard. though she was at a masked party and all she had to day was put her fucking mask back on and walk wherever the fuck she needed to go?
carroll whines about ryan being a problem yet hes had numerous opportunities to kill him.
the "following" people have clearly superior tech to what the police and FBI is using to hide their whereabouts and gain their intel, but keeps sending out people around to kill people in the most ridiculously conspicuous and sloppy manner providing increasing opportunities for those people to get captured and their location to be potentially discovered?
they have records of all of carrolls prison visitors and even though they supposedly used aliases, they can use facial recognition software to ID those people they only ID the ones pertinent to each episode?
i can go on for hours. this show is rubbish. please tell me there are only a few episodes are left?
So there is a door between me and 2 guys with machine guns.. I think I'll just mount up on the opposite side of the door to surprise them?!
Oh, and Hardy's ex-girlfriend is a psycho too? Big shocker.
they should just rename the FBI CTU, and Ryan Hardy as Jack Bauer. maybe if kevin bacon doesnt come back next season they could get Keifer Sutherland to take over. the cult can still be the sane because they are carbon copies of every 24 villain
im watching this more and more reluctantly. the show isnt even trying anymore
So having never watched a single episode of this my wife has been bothering me week in and week out to watch it with her so tonight I did.
I predicted everything before it happened and she's now pissed at me.
This show is horrible.
Why was it a show at all? That was the biggest piece of turd of an ending to cap off a giant crapfest of a season. This show is fucking awful.
that was probably the worst season of TV i have knowingly watched all the way through. if they wanted to keep making 24 they shouldnt have fucking canceled it in the first place. kevin bacon is no keifer sutherland though interestingly they were both in A Few Good Men. the ending was so fucking facepalmy. i cant begin to start on how many retarded things that happened. the kicker is they are going to pull a The Killing and The Walking Dead by extending the same storyline into the next season with no resolution. and thats when i stopped watching both programs as i will not be "following" this bag of shit when it comes back for season 2. the only high point of this program was that it at least got me to first base with the chick, so it wasnt a complete fail.
that was the end? and it got renewed? i hate myself for watching this crap.
Looks like I made the right choice to delete from DVR after the first episode.
Carter was buried alive and died. Joe Carrol seemingly perished in a fire / explosion. Cliffhanger was Kevin Bacon and Raylan's ex getting stabbed by Bacon's fuck buddy.
they are continuing the storyline next season, which means carrol is almost surely still alive, somehow. how i have no fucking idea. bacon and his hoochiemama are both laying on the floor bleeding with the crazy cult member free to stab them over and over. how they get out of that? no fucking idea. and i dont fucking care. its bullshit.
Trap door for Carrol. Remember the newscast talking about his death? They said he died just like a Poe story which means he probably planned it all to fake his death is what will come out in the season 2 premiere.
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