A girlfriend of mine was on the Depo Provera shot. Worked pretty well and I came in her all the time. I'm trying to get my new girlfriend on it.
Long time lurker getting involved! Was wondering what other people used for protection aka pill, ring, patch, IUD, condoms, pull out, etc. My ex girlfriend was allergic to latex so I only used Lifestyle Skyns and liked them. I tried Trojan's version of non-latex, but they felt like wax paper. Think the Skyns will be my go to condom for now on.
A girlfriend of mine was on the Depo Provera shot. Worked pretty well and I came in her all the time. I'm trying to get my new girlfriend on it.
Never EVER use Implanon. It'll make your lady dry up to the point that even sand crabs carry canteens and the sex drive is non-existant.
It also causes bone loss and anemia, wife and I found this out the hard way.
My woman just uses good old fashioned birth control pills, then I punch her once a month in the stomach for good measure.
I have however been with enough women that I've seen all sorts of B/C in action. Previous poster is right, depo provera is probably the worst-- GF at the time went fucking crazy on it and gained 20 pounds. It's bad shit. I used to date a gyno that worked at the shitty city hospital, and she'd basically shoot up any poor Mexican chick that just pushed out her third kid and wasn't even 25 yet. She said they're already fat and crazy so it wasn't a big deal lol..
Nuvaring is alright I guess, however you can feel it with your dick. It's basically for chicks who are too retarded to remember to take their BC pills.
Pulling out is too stressful, and if it really worked that well you wouldn't see religious families with 10 kids.
I fucking hate condoms. Tried every variety and they all suck to varying degrees. However if you do use them, Crown and Kimono are the best.
IUD is by far the best. It didn't drive the chick crazy or make her fat, didn't have to worry about her forgetting to take her BC pills then her getting angry because I don't want to fuck because she thinks she "knows her body". If you don't plan on having a kid for a few years and you can get your chick to get an IUD, this is definitely the way to go. Some party pooper gynecologists don't want to install them unless your girl has pushed out a kid before because their cervix is too tight or somesuch bullshit, however I'm told that if her gyno isn't some old geezer it shouldn't be a problem.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-17-2013 at 04:42 PM.
My wife used Nuvaring for a couple years, it worked well.(as mentioned above though, you can sometimes feel it depending on its positioning) Used it for probably 2 years or so and never had any pregnancy scares or anything. I've had previous girlfriends that just used the pill and never had any issues with it either.
We use condoms and some pill called Apri for her. If I had a kid after all of that I'd just throw my hands up and walk into oncoming traffic.
She won't go condom-less again because she contracted HPV from me or something. How can I convince her she won't get it again?
Geez man. 1st off HPV is pretty common, depending where you look it's stated that roughly 50% of women have it. 2nd of all, there's nothing you as a dude can do really, as it has no effect on guys and doctor's can't test for it, so don't let her blame you for being irresponsible or anything. It's not really dangerous to a woman unless it the type that causes cancer, and to a lesser extent the wart causing type.
In any case, once you have HPV, you have it for life. There is no "cure" (only a vaccine) hence if she caught it from you, she can't catch it again because she's still infected, and will be for life. Dump the rubbers because she isn't protecting herself from it anymore. Also, from what I know condoms don't protect from HPV very well.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-17-2013 at 06:37 PM.
Good luck and a barely functioning left testicle?Was wondering what other people used for protection aka pill, ring, patch, IUD, condoms, pull out, etc.
Wife used Nuvaring for a while. Worked well, was convenient. As said, you can feel it sometimes but you can also just take it out while you're getting the job done. She liked it because she had fewer side effects (the hormone dose is lower than the pill). The effects aren't totally negligible, though. She lost 5-10 lbs when she stopped using in advance of our having a baby and attributes the initial weight to hormones. She feels better without it, so when we're done spawning I'll probably go the snip-snip route (condoms suck).
Last edited by Captain Suave; 01-17-2013 at 08:36 PM.
Yeah I'm sure that had nothing to do with being overweight and probably having PCOS.
Anyway my personal preferences for birth control are as follows:
I usually use at least two of the above unless it's the week right after the red tide. Some studies show that sperm can live in the womb for up to a week.
HPV has hundreds of different strains and you probably have a few on you right now. Most cases go away after a few years, even in women. HPV is not for life, you retarded fuckstick. A few out of the hundreds are linked to causing cervical cancer, and an abnormal pap smear is no big fucking deal at all. Unless it's your vag getting scraped or lasered, that is.
Also pro tip, buying condoms and shit on the internet will save you so much cash in the long run. Generally costco seems to have the best prices for birth control stuff, which is valuable since most insurance companies don't want to cover those prescriptions.
Overall, everybody's different and while depo provera is an extreme example, birth control hormones can be great for one person and make the next person go batshit insane with acne, bloating, boob shrinkage, blood clots, fuck knows what else.
I'm not a fan of the various sterilization procedures, although Essure doesn't look too awful, but I have been considering vasectomy for a long time. Nothing is 100% though.
Wife has PCOS so we haven't had to use birth control in years! Sad thing is we're trying for a second and the PCOS is making it rough. Any asshole can have a kid, sadly the parents who know how to take care of theres are the ones who struggle having them =(
YES, the infection will clear up, but you are NOT cured. The viral load can dip to a point where it is no longer detectable by the diagnostic threshold, however it IS present in your body, and similar to herpes is laying dormant. This is why people who later on have compromised immune systems can see the symptoms of HPV come back
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-18-2013 at 04:13 PM.
Show me one source for this claim that doesn't have links to other websites involving flouride and lizardmen.
The best thing so far for HPV that I was aware of is the Gardasil vaccine. They give it to both male and female for a wide range of ages, like 12-40? I know it protects from most of the cancers that some HPV strains can cause.
1) You can google "HPV dormant"
2) Nowhere on that page you linked does it say that HPV is curable. All it discusses is infection and replication mechanisms.
3) Here ya go. From the head of the International Papillomavirus Society.
4) Feeling fucking stupid yet for calling other people stupid without doing basic research?
UAB Researchers Make Breakthrough Discovery of HPV ReplicationPosted on March 15, 2004 at 4:00 p.m.
UAB Researchers have discovered the mechanism used by a common virus to replicate and remain in the human body for decades. Human papillomavirus (HPV), a family of over 100-related viruses, are responsible for a variety of medical conditions, ranging from benign hand or foot warts to genital warts, cervical cancer and recurrent respiratory papillomatosis, a potentially fatal disease in children.
In an article published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in March, the research team reports that a viral replication protein known as E2 binds the circular viral DNA to cell structures called spindle fibers that are present in a cell when it divides, a process known as mitosis. In mitosis, a single cell divides in two, creating two genetically identical daughter cells. By latching onto the spindle fibers of the cell as it divides, HPV DNA also divides and replicates itself in each of the new daughter cells where it can continue to replicate and persist indefinitely.
“In effect, HPV is able to mimic our own chromosomes, behaving as a sort of ‘mini-chromosome’, independently replicating and keeping pace as the cellular chromosomes replicate and the cell divides,” says Tom Broker, PhD, professor of biochemistry and molecular genetics and co-author of the paper. “This allows the virus to remain in our bodies indefinitely, with the potential of causing serious disease years, even decades, after first exposure.”
Broker says that virtually all humans carry at least one type of HPV for much of their lives, usually transmitted to the external skin very early in life or to the internal mucosal lining later during sexual contact. For most people, the virus persists at low levels without causing obvious disease, and the body’s immune system keeps it in check.
However, in some people, the virus can become activated and cause lesions, particularly if the infected tissue is repeatedly injured, or following periods of emotional or physical stress, during pregnancy, as a result of immunosuppressive therapy for immune disorders or organ transplantation, as a outcome of progressing HIV/AIDS, and even as a consequence of aging.
“This is a major breakthrough in our quest to find ways to treat the myriad conditions associated with HPV,” says Louise Chow, PhD, professor of biochemistry and molecular genetics and co-author of the paper. “This improves our understanding of the mechanisms the virus uses to reproduce. We now have new molecular targets to aim at for antiviral drug discovery.”
HPV’s special mechanism for attaching itself to the mitotic spindles and getting pulled into the daughter cells has not been observed with other families of viruses, according to Chow.
There are about 15,000 new cases of cervical or penile cancer attributed to HPV each year in the US, and nearly 5000 deaths. Worldwide, 600,000 cases occur annually, especially in developing countries without advanced medical diagnostic methods such as Papanicolaou smear screening, which can detect the activation of HPV early enough for aggressive treatment to be successful.
HPV infection in the throat and respiratory tract, laryngeal papillomatosis, can cause recurrent respiratory papillomatosis in children, who are usually infected at birth from contact with HPV-caused genital warts present in the mother. There are an estimated 2,000 cases per year in the United States
This research was funded by grants from the United States Public Health Service and the National Cancer Institute, one of the National Institutes of Health. Tom Broker is the President of the International Papillomavirus Society. More information on HPV and associated disease can be found at the society’s web site at www.IPVSoc.org
You linked a fucking press release from 2004? And a busted ass society page that has "under construction" or "coming soon" on every other link?
Fuck you. I mean that.
I actually hunted down the PNAS paper referenced in that press release and it doesn't prove shit. In fact, they go out of their way to say that they are discussing long term infections of HPV, not permanent infections. In short, it has nothing to do with what you think it does.
If you had any education in virology at all, you would know that HPV does not insert itself into DNA, it is part of the pox virus family and thus never enters the relative protection of the nucleus.
Babies have little to no functioning immune system. Of course they have recurring problems with genital warts, they were never able to clear the infection in the first place, and even then HPV infections of babies are nowhere near as severe, or life-threatening, as HSV infections are.
Learn english, you fucking mouthbreather. Dormant doesn't mean permanent.
You know, I could spend time citing further evidence, argue that research in 2004 is extremely relevant, or even simply state that I'll take the word of a PhD biochemist whose life has been dedicated to HPV research over yours. But you know what? All that becomes moot and entirely eclipsed when you make a statement that entirely nullifies any credibility you may have had. I mean, I feel almost embarrassed for you:
"Had any education in virology" indeed.. Oh the irony..
You took one undergrad course in virology and are citing your education in biochem (seriously? fuck you and Etoille both. biochem is the new ayn rand). You clearly think research is sacred and there's no controversy, that a single press release proves something. That shows a shocking amount of naivety, appalling lack of critical thinking and a pervasive level of pseudointellectualism that isn't going to be swayed by a post on a messageboard.
Several members of the HPV family are implicated in causing cancer through integration into the genome by having selected genes such as E6/E7. Most members of the HPV family do not integrate into the genome, it's not absolute or even guaranteed to occur, and that integration process bears no relationship to how invasive and pervasive herpes is. Replicating in the nucleus is not the same thing as integration into the nucleus.
So you're still wrong, and you can't find a shred of evidence to prove your absurd, impossible claim that HPV is permanent. At best you could claim that for some people who have some types of HPV, in certain conditions of impaired immune system function, there may be a chance they never clear the infection. But that's true for most, if not all, pathogens. So pretend it's my argument that's flawed. Because at the end of the day you are basing your knowledge of virology from an undergrad microbiology class you took in your salad days back before DNA sequencing even existed, and claiming that as a relevant topical background.
At least I can retrace my steps. You're so deep in your own ignorance you don't even know how fucked you are. You could have easily found out that some labs have cultured HPV in immortalized cell lineages and pretended like that had anything to do with real life (tm), but once again you were too fucked in the ass right out the gate to even know where to start.
Anybody ever heard of "Pull Out Before You Pop?"
Seems to work!
Thanks for playing cupcake!
Last edited by Etoille; 01-27-2013 at 03:25 PM.
edit: In regards to the dormant vs cured -- I will agree with Wombat on this one. It's similar to that of herpes and lies dormant in the body. However, it is true that like herpes as well, the majority of the population has it.
Please don't confuse treatment with cure.Is there a treatment or cure for HPV?
There is no treatment or cure for HPV. But there are ways to treat the health problems caused by HPV in men.
Last edited by Kuriin; 01-27-2013 at 03:42 PM.
Banging chicks who have gone threw menopause is the only 100% method, gotta bring lube tho.
IUD is the best and what I recommend to all my patients. OCP/nuvaring the next best thing, especially if they want clearer skin. But even then I'd still recommend they get an IUD and use a lower estrogen pill like Alesse (which is a gimmicky piece of shit as far as birth control goes).
Depo should honestly be off the market (for BC purposes); it's trash.
another good one is loestrin 24 fe. its a pain cause u have to take it every day but it works really well. ive never gotten pregnant and everyone thats on it hasnt gotten pregnant either.
No one should listen to me about birth control, though, considering my wife was actually on birth control and got pregnant.
But, that's great, because condoms suck, and if you can use the planned parenthood site (who also states that) to convince her to let you bareback her, then that's a win/win for all men!
I don't agree that something with twice the chance of pregnancy with "perfect use" is very close to the same effectiveness. I am surprised though that it's supposedly 96% effective in that case. I'm curious how they arrived at their "typical use" rates that are nearly identical.
Hmm I could put a bag on my dick that takes 10 seconds, or I could tempt fate
Being gay is one of the best forms of birth control.
Tried some Trojan Ice and Fire condom last night because the GF's doctor refused her a BC pill refill without first coming in, and I must say, if you like feeling of your dick being on fire coupled with the aroma of a tire fire, those condoms rock!
What kind of a fucking doctor would refuse a refill on birth control? They're not controlled substances and don't require schedule III, II, or I privileges DEA.
So today she got screamed at by a bunch of crazy pro-life grandmas as she entered underfunded Planned Parenthood here in the great state of Texas. They were more than happy to see her today and write her a year long refill. The fact that she actually has medical insurance was probably a big bonus to them as well.
Only reason why a doc would make you come in is for controlled substances or if the drug affects your liver or kidneys in some bad way (eg Accutane, Truvada, or Isoniazid).
Last edited by Kuriin; 02-05-2013 at 11:34 PM.
His reasoning is that she hadn't had a checkup in a year, so my guess he was using that as leverage to book an appointment. Obviously more important that she have an appointment than risk getting pregnant, but there are a lot of religious nutjobs down here, including docs. She said her last gyno was a religious wacko and when she asked how quickly her BC would kick in, she replied with "well you can try being celibate for a change". lol.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 02-05-2013 at 11:44 PM.
My wifes doc wouldn't fill her BC without a yearly pap. Neither would my ex's for that matter. I thought it was common practice. /shrug
OB/GYNs will sometimes refuse to refill a birth control prescription if you are overdue for your annual exam. Not because they can't give you the pills, but because they want to make sure you actually come in and get the pap smear done. I think it is pretty normal actually.
Pap smear / breast exams are preventative (screening) and has nothing to do with bc refills. A full physical and BP is what is required for bc refills. I agree it's problematic if doctors require this in the states. Recommendations for pap are different outside the us (pr. 3 years f.inst. in the UK). Could the practice in the states be related to coverage / insurance / law, I wonder?
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 02-06-2013 at 08:19 PM.
DVT and embolisms ? Heh. I can understand a pap smear and lab work to look at estrogen lvls.
Here are four pub med references to bmj in case you didn't.
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thromboembolism: national follow-up study. BMJ 2009;339:b2890
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