See i told you!
Still reading Angel Exterminatus. Perturabo confirmed badass.
Yep. They have been doing a great job of making the primarchs that used to be relegated to the footnotes into really interesting characters. Corax, Perturabo, and the Curze's personalities really do a great job distinguishing the legions from the more well known ones. Hell, the Ultramarines may be the least intersting legion in the Heresy.
This is very true. I still want a full book on Mortarion and the Death Guard. Seems like they are one of the only big chaos marine chapters that haven't been touched on much.
I think Vulcan has a short story, cant remember the title off hand but I have yet to see anything about The Khan or the Death Guard
edit* Promethean Sun by Nick Kyme
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That brings up a good question: Do you think they are going to give ANY answers to the lingering heresy questions?
Eh, I think the whole point of the Ultramarines is that they are the most boring vanilla dudes imaginable. They're also as reliable as it gets, which is why over 50% of the current Space Marine chapters trace their lineage to the Ultramarine geneseed.
Ultramarines book is good for what it is... As emotional as a book can be about largely emotionless nigh-perfectly rational supersoldiers molded by the greatest realist military mind in existence.
That being said, because of Angel Exterminatus, Perturabo is very nearly my favorite Primarch now. Under appreciated but accomplished, driven to heresy more out of frustration and disappointment than anything else... No religious motive whatsoever, just converting because fuck everyone else, and especially fuck that gold covered bastard who builds forts and shit.
After Know No Fear and Fear to Tread I see now how they're looking to direct the rest of the Heresy series. Lexicanum and other sources always talk about how Dorn accuses Guilliman as a coward for missing the siege of Terra while the Blood Angels make it, and given that apparently the Blood Angels and Ultramarines legions meet up before making for Terra I can see how it's going to go: Guilliman sends the Blood Angels to Terra, using his own legion to destroy any heretic reinforcements in route to Terra, then making his way to the crown world to win the war.
Yeah just read a short story which explains why the Dark Angles never make it to Terra and how the Lion even knows how others will see it as. Ties in nicely with the other Dark Angels book about the Fallen.
I've been interested in the Warhammer 40k universe but I'm not sure where to start reading. Can anyone make suggestions on where to start? I know very little about the lore, complete noob here.
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Sounds awesome, thanks for the post. I'm planning on picking up the Horus Heresy books today after finals.
trust me, if you are a fan of complex scifi settings, fantasy settings and general fan of shit-getting-blow-up you will simply lose yourself in it. 40k tabletop survived the competition, the broken rules, and the general bad handling by Games Workshop because the lore is that awesome
Half way through Betrayer. Best book since Fulgrim so far. Getting irritated when I have to put it down and do stuff in fact.
What would be the best title one to start with ?
I just finished Arihman:Exile and the Accursed Eternity battle book. Arihman book was disappointing because the entire book is him at the power level of an ordinary Librarian instead of a 10,000 year old pysker master and the reasoning isn't even very good. They tried to make him come across as a good anti-hero instead of letting him be a twisted badass like Sahaal from Lord of Night. Accursed Eternity was a fun but short read; if you pay more than 4 bucks for it I feel like it would be a ripoff. I'm about to start the latest HH book and really looking forward to it.
Eh, Epistolary level Librarians are immensely powerful. I'm guessing Ahriman is roughly on the same power level Chief Librarian Tigurius, maybe a bit stronger, even if GW goes out of their way to make the Ultramarines ridiculously overpowered, and Tigurius is considered to be one of the strongest psychics in the Imperium.
Ahriman is more of an anti-hero than a sadistic villain. He seeks the downfall of the Imperium, but he and his warband, the Prodigal Sons, are outcasts from the Thousand Sons legion. While he bears the mark of Tzeentch, he doesn't consider himself to be a servant of Tzeentch and is far more concerned with his own goals than prosecuting the Long War.
I started the Horus Heresy series last week. I'm running over to half-price today after class to see if they have Fulgrim. If not then B&B probably will.
It's been a while since I read a 40k book and I'm forgetting why I stopped. I haven't able to put the series down.
Also reading The Grey Knights Omnibus in-between books. The Ciaphas Cain books catch my eye everytime I'm at the book store. Are they worth the read?
Ciaphas Cain books are probably my favorite 40K series. Still brings the 40k grit while being pretty humorous, and it is always nice to get a break from being inundated with space marine power levels every time I pick up a 40K book.
Christ Taloo, you were not lying. ADB has suprassed Abnett as my favorite BL author. He made you actually feel sorry for Angron and in turn the World Eaters for how he treated them. The afterword he wrote to explain they burden he takes on when he writes the primarchs' personalities. The Night of the Wolves flashbacks were fucking epic. Oh, and Kharn as a rational Astartes is a fantastic read when you know how his story eventually ends.
As for Dan Abnett, he gets credit for kicking off the series and really sort of setting the tone going forward, but his contributions to the series have been pretty meh. Aside from Horus Rising, he wrote Legion, which I initially thought was good but now I sort of hate the way they write the Alpha Legion, Prospero Burns, which was interesting seeing all the info about the pre-Heresy space wolves but ultimately had almost nothing to do with the title of the book, and Know No Fear in which he managed to make one of the most important battles of the entire civil war be completely bland and actionless. Abnett is amazing for Gaunt's Ghosts, Eisenhorn, and Ravenor, his Heresy books have been less than stellar.
The three powerhouse books of the series so far (I'm behind and haven't read Angel Exterminatus or Betrayer yet) are definitely Fulgrim, A Thousand Sons, and The First Heretic, written by Graham McNeillx2 and Aaron Dembski-Bowden respectively. If Betrayer is anywhere near as good as The First Heretic, I'll definitely have to check out the Night Lords series. I also own Helsreach, his novel in the Space Marine Battles series, which was quite good.
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Honestly I like the Night Lords series better than Eisenhorn/Ravenor.
Betrayer is probably my favorite book in the series at this point. I've read them all way too many times and if 1-3 could count as a single book nothing would ever come close but Betrayer is just such a great read.
I'm seriously liking the way they are writing Rogal Dorn. He has these dreams as to what the Imperium should be and yet it seems like he constantly get kicked in the gut as to how it actually is. Nemesis really showed that.
www.blacklibrary.com and check them
basically, you have to options as first approach:
1) read the stories in the 41th millennium. It's the "present" time of warhammer40000
My suggestions is to check the Gaunt's Ghosts books. Of all of them, they are the best as "first taste" and will give you a good picture of the Imperial Guard (the main army of the Imperium, composed by normal humans) and the general setting of this universe. You can find them into 3 omnibus (The Founding, The Saint (Omnibus) and The Lost)
2) or start with the Horus Heresy serie. This serie talks about the 30th millennium and the Great Crusade, an event that has shaped the 40k universe like we see it today. If you are a fan, you know pretty much what is going to happend already because the stories are part of the lore, but the books are finally describing with details how and why everything went down the shitter and what role the major characters of that time had in it. Each group of books infact describe the story and actions of one of the 18 Primarchs
the first 3 books are: Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in Flames and focus on Horus
Also.....use Lexicanum or Warhammer40000 wiki as a source of information while reading the books. Some of them are written with 40k fans in mind. They will mention events or characters you cant possibly know (for example, the Horus Heresy books are about the Space marines, but they wont tell you exactly what a spacemarine are, or how they are created....the wiki will cover these gaps)
these are the suggestions i can give you. if you want to spoil yourself in the first page of this thread i have written a essay about the general history
i'll leave you with a reply from Gravinrad that will help you if you chose to simply pick whatever book you like
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Just got done with Brotherhood of the Storm. I liked it, it didnt hit you over the head with the constant Horus Heresy stuff. I would have liked it more if it was longer but I think I read too fast. Nice to see them getting around to the other First Founding legions. Heres hoping for an awesome Iron hands book.
I hope the next book is about the Salamanders legion and Vulkan because they are turning out to be one of my favorite legions so far. The tome of fire trilogy was a good read and would love to know what happened to Vulkan after the heresy. The tragedies surrounding the heretic legions and their primarchs are great to read about because it doesn't just make them mindless bad guys but instead there is a vaild reason behind their actions.
Also the Night Lords trilogy is great. Especially loved Void Stalker.
Really, though, I find McNeil's books a complete chore and am usually bored to tears the entire way through; only reading them because I feel like I have to. His most egregious mistake being the entire timeline of The Outcast Dead is completely wrong, leaving me utterly baffled through the entire book. I kept re-reading old chapters thinking I missed something important. After I had finished the book, I looked it up online and confirmed that I wasn't crazy, it was just that he and apparently all of his editors had missed that the book completely jumbles events in the Heresy timeline to the point where the story makes no sense.
I personally think Legion was the best book in the series closely followed by Prospero Burns. I also LOVE the Blood Games short story, and all three were written by Abnett. So, I guess what I am saying is, don't skip any, you might end up liking the authors other people don't.
I wasn't saying the Abnett books should be skipped, and yes, Blood Games is definitely my favorite of all the Heresy short stories, but the short stories are relatively unimportant.
I guess I just sort of have a thing for sort of self contained stories.
Also I find myself disliking lots of science fiction other people like for some reason. For example, I can't stand Peter Hamilton's books. I think I just might be really picky with my fiction or something.
I'm a big fan of anything to do with these books, whether its the space marines, the orks, or the chaos marines and even the guard. Really good books. Ragnars my favorite though, i like his style.
hmm....i had a discussion with a friend the other day about the visions Horus has during his corruptions. i have my books digged down somewhere in my basament so i could not check but....are those visions real ? or everything was a fabrication ? the emperor really did not do anything to stop the warprift from trowing away the primarchs ?
damn too much time is passed since i read them
Also time portals and shit. Because magic. Argel Tal fucked up the incubators, Horus cracked one too. It's kinda retarded to be honest. I think so far there are three sets of people/primarchs who have been there while it happened at this point? Rooms getting fucking crowded.
never connected the thing with the idea that the whole HH and the 10k years of fascist imperium was all a "just as planned" plan-thing of the emperor
He flat out says he doesn't really know whats coming in The Outcast Dead.
yeah i did not read that book already, but what im talking about is just a hypotesys that the current Imperium was a planned thing the Emperor saw as necessary to really free humanity from the need of divinity
I just read Descent of Angels. I thought it was great until the ending. Its like the author ran out of time and just summarized everything with no explanation. Pretty lame.
Mark of Calth has been meh so far. About half way in and just haven't cared enough to take the time to read it.
I've only read about half of the books, and I enjoy the scenes where the Emperor shows up immensely. You could even say I read the books just to catch glimpses of the Emperor. I find the character very interesting. That being said, should I go about reading the other half of the books? Or do they primarily focus on Horus and the Primarchs? Rather than the Emperor himself.
"half of the books" is a bit vague description of what you have read and what you haven't
oh.....fuck.......oh fuck yes.....
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/...ar-arrive.htmlFirst up, we have some tidbits out of the Horus Heresy Weekender from Gav Thorpe who said that:
"He wants to do a series about each Phoenix Lord and their experiences of the fall, similar to Primarches and the Heresy"
Just finished reading Blood Pact and Salvation's Reach, I really feel like Abnett is setting the readers up for a really gut-wrenching end of the series. Like, Kolea, Tona, and Dalin all dying at the same time gut-wrenching. I mean he really was delivering some hard shots in Armour of Contempt and Only In Death, Blood Pact and Salvation's Reach seem very mild in comparison, so I assume he's planning on ending the series with some real nastiness.
So I just finished reading Horus Rising as my very first Warhammer 40K book. What is the order the Horus Heresy books should be read in? I'm having a hard time finding a proper list of them all. Is the series even done yet, I'm assuming they end with Horus vs. Jesus? Also, since I've heard a lot about some Warhammer 40K books being absolutely atrocious, which ones should just be skipped cause they are just bad?
Just follow the list on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus_H...els)#Published. Some are better than others but I would say overall, that most are pretty good except: Flight of the Eisenstein, Battle for the Abyss and The Outcast Dead.
Just finished Horus Rising as well. Loved it and can't wait to start he next one.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
False Gods is my prefered of the 3. it was fantastic see how everything spiraled out of control
Horus Rising is good. However don't just stick to that. Read Eisenhorn, Ravenor trilogies and if you want Gaunts Ghosts. Dan Abnett gets you into the setting and is fuck awesome.
yeah. Necropolis was the thing that got me into 40k (the next main factor was DoW1). i picked it out of curiosity when i found an old italian version in the "used" section of a local library (the old publisher stoped to distribute them so they are pretty rare in italy). i was simply blown away by it
i still have a lot to read, but so far the only real terrible books i've read were the Dawn of War books from C.S. Goto. Avoid them like nurgle plague
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C.S. Goto is definitely the worst author in the entire Black Library, although Henry Zhou is a strong contender.
Dan Abnett and Graham McNeill are the two heavyweight authors in the Black Library, Aaron Dembski-Bowden is a rising star. Honestly, the only authors you really need to avoid are Goto, Zhou, and Gav Thorpe. Ben Counter has written some real shitfests, including what is arguably the single worst book of the entire Heresy series, but the Soul Drinkers series is fantastic imo. Basically, aside from the ones I mentioned by name, Black Library authors will generally deliver exactly what you'd expect for a sci-fi novel written in a pre-existing setting.
Some of Gav's stuff is good. The last chancers series is great despite the ending being sad times.
I know I am the exception here, but I really dislike Graham McNeill's books. In my opinion Dan Abnett (no surprise) is the shining star of the series, and I like Aaron Dembski-Bowden as well. Legion is probably my favorite, I'd love to see more Abnett books involving the Alpha Legion.
I can understand not liking the Ultramarines or Iron Warriors series, but Fulgrim and A Thousand Sons are unquestionably two of the best Heresy books, probably two of the top three, with the other being The First Heretic.
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Rant on why I'm gay for the Ultramarines HH novels aside, I enjoyed Mark of Calth, but mainly for the piece of awesome that got squeezed in completely unrelated to the Ultramarines: OLLANIUS FUCKING PERSSON. So glad Abnett brought Ollanius "Pius" Persson back, retconning the retcon of a retcon that removed him from probably the most epic moment of the entire Heresy.
I expect to see more from him in the upcoming book Abnett's working on, Unremembered Empire. Cover art tells more of the story than anything else, but if I had to guess it deals with Guilliman setting up the Imperium Secundus centered around Ultramar as a backup plan with (possibly) Sanguinius as Emperor of the new Imperium should the big E, you know, end up getting his ass kicked. Either that or it has to deal with Sanguinius helping to counter Angron/Lorgar's Shadow Crusade.
i love that cover so much....first time we have a direct and precise sense of scale about the primarchs height....fuck i would love to see them on screen
one day i'll embark myself in my personal 3d modelling crusade and recreate this
What exactly did you think Know No Fear was about, if you say that it's not about the Battle of Calth? Because the entire book takes place on Calth or above Calth, and describes pretty much every aspect of how the battle was fought and won, from the metaphysical to the practical. If you're unhappy that it seems to be disconnected short stories, I'd be very interested to know how you describe a global conflict in any other way. If it just followed Ventanus, you'd only get the Erud muster/Governor's Palace/fight for the data engines in Numinus City. If it just followed Guilliman, you'd just have him being sucked into space (which admittedly, was fairly retarded) and then trying to figure out wtf was going on and coordinating the war on the ground. If it just followed Erebus, we'd only get a bunch of shit about daemon summoning and warp storms. See where I'm going?
Only real arc I can surmise is pretty much disconnected to everything else is Pius's deal with Grammaticus and trying to escape, but that at least brought back a really cool twist on the Horus/Emperor fight.
EDIT: All the debate on Know No Fear aside, have you been through all the Garro audiobooks? I pretty much despise audiobooks but I am interested to know what happened with Garro after the Eisenstein debacle and starting up what I assume is the precursor to the Grey Knights/Inquisition. I never checked it out, but I'd be willing to if it was passable/interesting lore. Are they worth it?
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i still have to read Prospero Burns. This is not the first time you guys say how the title is missleading
is it really that bad ?
We'll just have to agree to disagree on Know No Fear, but again, Fear To Tread is how you do an epic battle while telling the tale from multiple PoVs. As for the Garro audiobooks, I haven't had the chance to listen to them but I've heard good things about most of the Heresy audiobooks.
Yeah, I liked the Fear to Tread approach and I liked the book overall. But I felt like the conflict on Signus Prime was more centralized, with a giant mass of legionaries vs. a giant mass of cultists/daemons meeting head on in a relatively local scale, right in front of the Cathedral of the Mark. They didn't have to deal with linking up their forces because the rest of the planet was dead and there were no other strategic objectives other than "kill the dudes infront of the tower, then kill the dudes inside the tower". Also, the entirety of their fleet wasn't completely disabled from the outset, which doesn't divide the reader's attention between the ground war and the space war, since the most you get out of it is "the fleet is holding it's own" or "the space war is still going on." There's none of this business with scrapcode or logistics or lack of data, either, which was a bit annoyingly distracting.
Still, if you're looking for a tale of massive armies clashing, Fear to Tread is definitely the better book for that. The Battle of Calth involves thousands of legionaries and superheavy armor and titans, but they're spread all over the continent or in orbit, so you don't get the luxury of a consolidated battle. I'll concede that much, and if that's what you prefer, fair enough.
Prospero Burns is mostly about who the heresy era space wolves were and how they thought. It explains that while Russ though Magnus was probably fucking around with things he really shouldn't be messing with he neither hated him nor even bore him any ill will. He was the ultimate sanction and does what is asked of him despite the fact that he would have given anything to avoid that outcome. It's another novel that tries to explain what lead these unbelievably intelligent and noble post human demi-gods to destroy what may well have been the closest thing to utopia it's possible to attain within the rules of that universe.
I imagine a lot of people took issue with the fact that it kind of has the same feel as Legion where you are actually following the story of a random human rather than reading about Russ raping the fuck out of a city full of philosopher-warriors. Which was a book that it was entirely reasonable to expect. The difference being Legion wasn't meant to be a book about one of the pivotal stories in 40k lore.
Personally I loved it and without risking spoilers I can't say much more than I already have. It's a little much to expect an entire heresy novel to be almost entirely about a battle that lasted less than a day and took place in a single city. So that's not what I expected and I was quite pleased with both novels and their convergent stories.
Edit** I didn't bother to read back to where it was mentioned but I know I'm not alone in thinking The Outcast Dead topped Battle for the Abyss as worst novel so far. Abyss is better off forgotten beyond the ship itself existing of course but for the life of me I can't even fathom what if anything The Outcast Dead was even trying to accomplish beyond The Emperor knowing he might lose and there still being a couple thunder warriors kicking around which has lead nowhere so far. Fucking awful book. Jail break in the Imperial Palace, astartes wearing armor made from scrap metal managing to stay hidden in the single most fortified place in the god damn galaxy with two fucking psykers in their group? For really reals? Fucking stupid as shit.
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Soul Drinker's Omnibus was an abysmal read. It was so poorly written that it took supreme will just to get to page 200. I threw that pos into the Goodwill box.
Fuck. still rustled from it. So bad. it was.
Edit: I've heard the books can get bad. But I've read 8 or so so far and nothing has been like this. Almost traumatizing.
Warrior, Innoruuk Server
Nemesis kinda bugged me too, but wasn't as bad as Outcast Dead. Basically just because nothing really significant happens in Nemesis at all. The whole story is pretty much pointless, and is just fap material for people who like assassin kill teams. The ending is particularly lame as well.
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I didn't dislike Nemesis. I think it was probably a story better suited to being told in parts via the anthologies but I don't take issue with it standing alone. From a lore standpoint the clades are something that would have to be addressed in some way. It also moved the story along some but you have to read between the lines a bit. It's pretty well established at this point that the seeds of the HH started with Kor Phaeron, Erebus, Typhon, and a few others manipulating events and sowing dissent. The ending is maybe not needed but does shore up the fact that as time goes on the architects are losing control of their creation. It shows that Horus is getting farther and farther away from allowing Erebus to have input much less orchestrate events.
I don't know if it's intentional but it can be taken as evidence that Erebus and the powers he represents gives zero shit about anything but the emperor being stopped before whatever plans he is pursuing reach fruition. It's entirely plausible that Spear could have destroyed Terra, perhaps more. In which case baring regions like Ultramar there is no more galaxy to rule. There is no astronomicon, the future of the navigator gene now relies on the half dead, drained individuals that are your only real means of doing anything with the legions of military forces that mostly hate each other scattered across the galaxy. Interstellar communication may no longer be possible as well. There's no more soul binding of astropaths. The final night lords novel implies that without an organised system for the routing of messages it just doesn't really work. In the same novel they cripple a large section of the galaxy by overloading a node with psychic anguish. The need to capture rather than destroy Terra is extremely important for the lore to make any damn sense. Otherwise just smuggle a few virus bombs down there while the custodose are busy trying to find a couple space marines wearing pots and pans.
But yeah it doesn't sit right with me just yet. "Why can't I assassinate the emperor Horus? Because I'm the only one allowed to kill him faggot. Now lets continue with plan destroy the palace and kill the emperor while I sit in orbit on my ship letting someone else kill him as per all existing lore." I mean it's a pretty shoddy job of tying up loose ends that need some explaining but does do some work to establish what the people without bolters were doing.
To address Drez, Sanguinius is literally described as the primarch who has their fathers "soul" and the only plausible choice to carry on in his stead should the need arise. His compassion and desire for a better, brighter future for the human race being key qualities. Gulliman is peerless organizer and masterful tactician but he doesn't have the passion to forge the destiny of the race. Building Ultramar was not something he did out of a conscious desire to provide for his people and greate an empire of his own but rather the natural result of what he does best. He would be the Malcadore to Sanguinius's Emperor sans intrigue and shadow play basically.
“Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been his...”
Sanguinius, on the other hand, is pretty much universally respected and admired by all the primarchs. Never in the whole of the HH books do you really see any primarch or anyone else for that matter disparage or insult Sanguinius, because he was just that charismatic, and also possibly the best warrior of them all. Guilliman would know this, he would know that if any other primarch could have been chosen as Warmaster, it would have been Sanguinius, and even Horus believed Sanguinius should be Warmaster.
No other primarch has true rivalries with the Blood Angels or any quarrel with Sanguinius, so he'd be the perfect unifying force should the Emperor fail, if for no other reason than his stature as a figurehead and symbol of greatness.
Vulkan Lives and Corax : Soulforge are "available" just as a heads up. Ton of Novellas "available" as well. I swear to god theblacklibrary.com is the most worthless fucking retail website in the world. Can't find shit for information there on upcoming releases and 95% of the time fucking lexicanum is more accurate and up to date on release dates.
Only about a third of the way through Vulkan lives but nothing to write home about so far.
My friends find it heretical, but I very dearly wish to see the Primarchs come back. I know part of what makes them so interesting is that they, along with the Emperor (pre-HH Emperor) are so shrouded in mystery they become akin to the Olympian gods.
I would really like to see a second great crusade.
why you need Primarchs when you have already Draigo ? he carved his name into a Demon-Primarch heard for fuck sake and devastated nurgle forest just for fun
Primarchs are pussies
Draigo is lost in the warp.
Grey Knights are almost mini-Primarchs anyway.
Of course last time I followed table top rules I got the impression 500 points of Grey Knights could have killed The Emperor at his prime. So yeah, fuck it!
While I would also like to see the "surviving" primarchs brought into contemporary lore in some way it will never happen. Hints and allusions are all we will ever get. They are kind of the only thing left when it comes to mysteries and things left unresolved. If they brought them back there's nothing left to tease. Maybe if GW ever gets ready to close their doors we might see them come back for the last lore hurrah but not until then and I don't see that happening anytime soon. The hints here and there are probably more "fun" anyways ala lore verified healing of wounds while in a stasis field in Angel Exterminatus and the rumors of Gulliman slowly healing in his field etc.
I like Abnett's books but I always feel that he needs another 100 pages to finish up his stories. Every single one feels rushed at the end.
The Eisenhorn books are great. Not by Abnett but the first two Last Chancers are also really good but the third (and last one) was pretty much garbage.
It's not really supported anymore but my friends and I loved Battlefleet Gothic as our tabletop game of choice. I had a Chaos fleet, one friend had an Imperial Guard fleet and another friend had a Dark Eldar fleet. Necrons were cool but way too overpowered. Nobody really dug the Tyrannids.
I'm liking the heresy era novels. Nice to see the White Scars get some love.
Several loyalist Primarchs are speculated to return when the final apocalyptic battle for the Imperium comes about, essentially the end of mankind as we know it. Leman Russ ventured into the Eye of Terror to hunt the Thousand Sons and other traitors, vowing never to return until the end times. Same story essentially for Vulkan, Corax, and the Khan. It's speculated that Guilliman is slowly healing even in stasis, and the Lion is sleeping deep in The Rock. Essentially, the only Primarchs that are truly gone are Sanguinius, Dorn, and Ferrus Manus, who are all dead and there's not even speculation or hints that they'd come back. FFS Ferrus doesn't even have a head.
The Primarchs are so OP that it'd probably ruin the tabletop game, and if they were all back and fought the last battle, the 40k universe as we know it would be done.
That said, I think if they ever did actually advance the lore to this point, you'd see them all come back, the Astronomicon fail and the Emperor reincarnate. The Eldar as a species and will all die and birth a new god in the warp, and it'd essentially be the forces of order or those with faith in the Emperor vs. Chaos and aliens. However, they've set it up now where the true and gravest threat isn't Chaos, but the Tyranids, who are being drawn to Terra because of the Astronomicon. They can't keep all the factions relevant if they have the end battle as they've set it up now.
so, in essence, wh40k storyline is heading into a massive galaxywide royal rumble between Imperium with revived emperor and primarchs starting a new great crusade, the eldar god of death fucking shit up, necrons going around killing ppl from the 11th dimension, orks mounting a galaxywide WAAAGH!!, Chaos going for it for the 14th time, and the tyranid going full omnomnomnomnomnomnom ?
i like this plan
Games Workshop has been smart in that current 40k is a setting and not an overall storyline.
There has been speculation that the Horus Heresy series will last around 50 total novels before it finishes, which puts us around the halfway point. Black Library has said they want to start another massive series, such as the Fall of the Eldar. There has also been talk of a series focused on the Scouring.
Keep in mind Black Library and Games Workshop are set up for the long haul. WH40k fiction is enormously lucrative - Black Library is one of the most profitable GW divisions, if you dig into GW's financial reports. They are unlikely to rock the boat too much.
If you want to see a company that destroyed itself by advancing the storyline too far, take a look at White Wolf's original World of Darkness. It was one of the premiere roleplaying game lines in the world, and enormously successful. Vampire the Masquerade defined the gritty urban vampire archetype. For a number of reasons, one of which was advancing the storyline so far that it had to end, White Wolf basically shot itself in the foot. It has never been as successful or as popular as it was ten years ago.
Games Workshop is not going to make that same mistake.
Honestly, they don't even need to advance the plot to bring back Primarchs.
I finished Ahriman Exile by John French a couple of weeks ago, and liked it, specially since it was not what i expected.
You could write a trilogy just for Magnus and not change the lore.... i mean look at "Demon World"
I'd love to see a lot more of Angron, i found it awesome in some of the HH books to see how his brothers look at him.
The admiration (i'll even call it that) for his strength, their pity for a broken being, his past, his betrayal by the Emperor.
As a legion World Eaters have zero interest, but "how they became what they are", now that....
I've devoured 15-20 books and 200+ ebooks, and still crave more
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not to mention that, unlike Failbaddon, when Angron gets to work, shit like 2 SM chapters obliterated happends
They have powered up some of the xenos, such as Necrons... so a new crusade storyline could work with Tyranids ect fighting at full force.
did not read the new codex, but how they managed to powerup the necrons ? they pretty much were invincible already
Gave them a Queen! Now they are all angsty
Idgaf about Eldar, so a heresy-like series holds no interest to me. I like the SM (even most of the poorly written ones) and IG setting books, and they tend to be the ones best written, contradiction I know.
They could make a 20 Book series about the craftworlds & the fall, that would be cool too.
I just finished "WE ARE ONE" and it is the most fucking epic 25 pages you will ever read in your entire life.
I always found the Alpha Legion very interesting, but we never see anything about them...
Except the little story about that geneseed theft & the reasons they turned, but this... this... this was Legendary !
Anyone checked out the new HH that's come out lately?
Scars Series: Fairly awesome.
Vulkan Lives: Abysmal piece of shit warranting the execution of Nick Kyme. Seriously, this thing is terrible. If you're some weird person who for whatever reason HATES Vulkan, then yeah this is your book.
Fuck scars till it's done. Unremembered Empire is available. 1/3rd to 1/2 done with it. Kinda impossible to comment without spoilers since its 100% new ground. Not sure if I like it or not but it's keeping me interested.
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