Save bandwidth for links etc I would imagine.
As a professional lurker this makes me sad. Now I'm being dragged out into the light if I want to want to watch the car wrecks.
Save bandwidth for links etc I would imagine.
I agree. The Screenshots generates a LOT of traffic for this forum. Forcing people to go look for it will hurt, not help. Also, the images should be viewable when you're not logged in. As I lurked for a long time at FOH without a membership, and that's what brought me here, I can say, with 100% certainty, that if these same things had been true there, I would never have gone back to look, and I certainly wouldn't be here now.
SS/RR viewable without a posting account = no ad revenue. The bandwidth is a secondary reason.
There's also some (naive) hope that some lurkers will lose their posting virginity and become posting members of the forum. I've got nothing against the faceless masses of lurkers but let's face it, we all come here primarily to consume content and be a part of that content. Those who don't post or donate add absolutely no value to the community (Again, I don't really mind that, because I lurk on tons of community websites), so I don't mind if I have to disturb them in order to keep the site profitable..
My point still stands that after a few weeks the people who would have gotten linked to SS will now not get linked - leading to lower traffic over time.
Btw, you should just fucking ban these idiots who post 1-5 in the discussion threads. If they are too retarded to figure out where to post we don't want them anyways, why let them use our bandwidth?
So how is the forum going to grow if new members cannot even see the content until they make 5 posts? At least have a preview page or something so people can be like "oh wait, this is actually worth it".
I've seen some message boards have it so you can't see links or images until you reach a certain number of posts. That seems like it could be a decent middle ground.
Either way, I think it's a worth while experiment. They can always switch it back if traffic just tanks.
So lurkers can make pointless random posts.
the average number of posts will be closer to 5
The reason why we are doing this is to attempt to hide all the porn behind a wall so google doesn't take away our advertisement. I can return the forums back to the way they were if you want to ban all porn.
I could put everything back to the way it was if you can guarantee that 50-70% of the regular posters pay a subscription year round and never cancel. I doubt you could get enough people to do that, and I'd feel uncomfortable asking that.
That makes a lot more sense than trying to get us lurkers to post. At least I can sleep tonight, I thought SS had died again.
(I still feel dirty though)
Sounds like we should e-mail Tyen and see if he can gets us more unique visitors and page views to up the sites revenue stream.
Why not use adult-friendly ads in the SS forum instead of google ads? Google isn't the only source of revenue in the world.
I am one of those so called lurkers. I have been lurking since FOH, ohai my name is Xaesor.
Must have 5 post to see the screenshots I been lurking in for years. Coulda sworn I did post number 2 yesterday, guess not.
Finally has 5 posts, still cannot browse Screenshots. D:
its like we've become those mmos we hate!! Placing up barriers of entry, or sub fees.
Where is tad10 to drone endlessly about instanced forums?
You guys should change "See comments/suggestions" to "See this thread".
I know that sounds kind of stupidly obvious, but it makes it stick out more. I've had referral links several times before, and you'd be surprised how much adding something derpishly simple as "click here" improved results.
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I think its fair, I've went to long just reading and not contributing.
how does the online ad world work in 2013? The no-porn-for lurkers makes sense, since its really to not allow googlebot to see porn images and not really lurkers. But then aren't you hurting yourself by not allowing a lot of lurkers to factor into views/clicks for ads? I don't get the registration thing at all, ads don't care if someone is registered on reroll or not, they have their own cookies to track that shit across the web - which is why I keep seeing papa john ads now since I ordered a pizza last weekend.
it used to be that you wanted tons of eyeballs and people to click on ads, is that still true or is the online ad world a lot different? are ads really able to pay for rerolled server/bandwidth or is it costing you a ton more than the ads are bringing in?
I don't know what Draegan's intent is with the site. I assume he just views the ads as a way to pay for the site so the considerable expense isn't coming out of his pocket. If this move helps that happen, then so be it. I'm sure a porn site could manage to pull off a profit, but I am pretty sure also that any site offering up a selection of free images without actually being a "porn" site will have difficulties in making ends meet. I definitely don't want the site to turn into a porn site, and yet I don't want to lose the titties. I'm in a glass case of emotion.
well as long as the screenshots thread isn't gone, i am cool with it
Couldn't there just be separate SFW and NSFW screenshot areas?
It's cathartic to see that with all this chat about ad rev and numbers and such there are no shitty graphs being posted.
Wish it could have been based on donations instead of post count. I donated when rerolled.org first went up, but I'm a professional lurker. I do make it a point to occasionally click on ads, if its remotely interesting.
So I'm not a post virgin now ?
Must I feel something ?
Hi there btw
I know some of you think that putting the porn behind a wall is all of the sudden going to kill the community because a few people that saw a picture of a unicorn fucking a vampire suddenly wanted to contribute won't stick around now. But it's really not. The majority of the people on this site read a lot of the other sections of this forum.
Regarding Porn sites: Most porn sites require a subscription to access content. Others just host videos ripped from the internet and allow users to upload content. They also have actual porn advertisement which probably makes more money than other affiliate programs. I do not want to put porn ads on Rerolled because then the whole site becomes NSFW and then no one can see it at work.
Is posting 5 times really that difficult?
IMHO posting 5 times is less difficult than living in a bubble ...
Every one who played to bubble bobble knows that you can't even touch a bubble without blowing it, so living inside ... !
And sorry for my poor english, I'm doing my best (or less some will say).
When did I say I don't want input? If I didn't want input I wouldn't of wasted my time typing all those words to you.
I'm pretty sure all you wrote was "stuff," Draegan.
Looking at still photos of mostly softcore models on the internet is like jacking off in the lobby of a free brothel.
Couldn't care less about the porn, personally, I mean, there's a million places on the internet to see porn, never really got the draw of the porn to the forums but whatever.
Was willing to drop 10 bucks to read SA forums when they're closed to non members (after years of lurking), would be willing to do the same here if needed. Don't mind ads, or the screenshots thread going behind a posting wall, I figure if that's the worst that happens, that's a pretty good deal, really. I mean they could be putting up a paywall for membership and trying to turn this into a Something Awful clone, and they're not, and nothing in life is free, so yeah.
Sounds like something you feel you need to do to trim costs and keep the forums running, that also sounds perfectly reasonable, so no complaints here.
Why don't we change the rules. Instead of 5 random ass posts, they need 5 posts of substance. Wouldn't hurt to have some more live ones in here to actually discuss shit with.
I too am a lurker that has been brought out into the light. I have been lurking on FoH since late 07 and even played WoW and some other games with some of the members. I registered at one point but never really logged in since it wasnt required for most of the viewing. Never really been the posting type, sorry. My wife and I actually sit down and browse through the FSR and GIF threads... occasionally the PGT thread. Since the site was shut down and I heard about this one, I came over. To my delight, FSR and GIF threads came back! All of the sudden I was required to register. I knew this would be a problem because of the 'pre-screening' process. (I don't blame you... I wouldn't want Tyen or Swampdonkey coming back either)
So.... yeah. Hi. WTB Access!
How about five posts a week. Then ban them if they are just 1 2 3 4 5 post farmers.
I was a mostly lurker since Jan '03, I think I racked up a few dozen posts and even was +5. (Don't hold it against me.) I just dont' post for the sake of posting. Guess I'll have to be a bit more prolithic.
Back when there were 800+ people viewing fohss, how many were actual bots and how many were actual lurkers not logged in? Was it really that bad?
To be honest I always felt that nude women are not really necessary or even counterproductive for this forum. The funny screenshots was a nice asset but there are tons of sites with that kind of content already out there and if bandwith is limited/costy -> drop them.
I'd just like to say that I found FoH SS after finding a link to an image posted there. I checked out the forum and though "holy shit this is awesome". I spent a good 4 years lurking on FoH without an account just reading the shit and looking at the purteh pictures. I finally caved in and paid $25 for posting rights 2 months before the apocalypse, but then moved here. The point is, I would never have found the site had the same restrictions been in place in FoH, and I'm sure there are many who can say the same thing.
Ban the porn. I look at FSR to get a laugh or see something interesting, if I wanted to jack off, I would go to youporn instead of rerolled. Having to be logged in to see pics or even whole sections of the forum is a pain in the ass.
Yeah there's truth to that. That's advertising. You would also have to consider how much it's costing per head. That's just a guess in the absence of hard numbers but I'd have to imagine there are more cost effective ways to do it, if that's what you want to do.
Don't ban the porn, fuckers!
I hate posting. As an extremely social-phobic person it makes me anxious as hell.
Some people here really think that lurkers are here only for pr0n ? Orly ?
I agree that interstitial are shitty for user experience, but a tasteful site skin has never bothered me. They can also be really targeted too. Why not have a different site skin on each main game thread advertising that game? Why not add affiliate links for those games in each of the posts? Why not make review posts for mmo's that aren't covered yet? If there was a quality review for a game that I hadn't tried, I wouldn't mind signing up though a link here. The product review thread could be filled with aff links too. If you're up front about it and not trying to be shady and shilling for shitty products, I don't think most people would mind. It's far less disruptive than some things.
Also, why not have some of the more annoying things, like the ads every 5 posts, appear for non-registered users? People get an incentive to register and you monetize those that don't.
Ya, it might be a lot of work, but you can't tell me that doing all of that wouldn't be more effective than slapping a couple of google banners up and forgetting about them (while killing half your traffic).
Yes there are a ton of things we can do and some of the things you've posted we have plans for. However it's a balance between keeping things the same and not upsetting the applecart and also evolving as we go. Things will take time.
I was wondering the same things upon registering... Well here is the obligatory post #5 for me so I can see them now.
Don't know why people have such a difficult time contributing to the board. There are so many different topical threads (I would say even more then foh when we last left it) that you would be hard pressed not finding a thread or two that suit your interests. FFS there is even a thread about pocket pussies on here.
Also, 5 posts before I can access it? Are you shitting me?
EDIT: My contribution to the forums will be not reading threads before I comment, and anger.
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I've been lurking since sometime in 2003 but never posted anything. One of the reasons was because by the time I had read the MMORPG thread any information that I could offer was already posted by someone. That being said, I have learned alot about the games I was interested in from most of you guys from the "other" site so I would be glad to donate whenever I can. Be that in posts and cash.
Feel free to donate a few thousand dollar anytime you get around to it.
ITT: Poor babbys that have to post to view screenshots crying
It is nice to know that the SS thread did not die, i get a lot of entertainment out of it!!!
It's too bad that if everyone was a lurker then there would be no content
Anyone coming to FoH for the PGT or it's fat chick cousin has never heard of Tumblr.
There has to be a better way to go about this. I would be more than willing to donate whatever is required if I could just go back to lurking like I want to. Being forced to post is a total
turn off for me. I don't like posting unless I actually have something I want to say which isn't often. Fuck having to login just tell me how much money to give you.
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