Whats the point of switching exactly? If you wanna treat yourself go sky diving or something.
I've always been a hardcore PC/Android guy, but Apple has worn on me over the past few months. I've always opted to build my own mid range PCs to maintain low costs, but I've since stopped gaming and am looking for a suitable laptop-based replacement.
If I go Apple, I'm going all Apple. I'll be getting:
- In June/July w/refresh MacBook Air w/Retina or if it doesn't come out, MacBook Pro w/Retina
- Thunderbolt display x2 to daisy chain together
- I never splurge, I'd like to treat myself.
- I'll be working from home, so I'd like a nice setup.
- I'd like to be able to travel in a heartbeat without switching computers.
- I don't game anymore.
- I primarily do web design/development/copywriting/startup stuff.
- It won't significantly impact my finances.
- Is Apple worth it?
- Will this be the incredible experience I'm expecting and hearing about?
- Will this gear last me 5 years?
- Would you do it if you were in my shoes?
- Any current ex-PC Mac users that are glad they switched? Any that aren't?
I'd love to hear what you guys think. I'm new here, but a decade-long member from FOH forums and I think this is a fair-minded, unbiased audience...
Whats the point of switching exactly? If you wanna treat yourself go sky diving or something.
I'm curious about what this "incredible experience" you've been hearing about is. The only time I hear about the mac experience is when some of my classmates are bitching that their macs aren't compatible with some of our school software and that "everything should be rewritten for Macs instead of PCs and the world would be much better."
That isn't to say I'm against Apple products or anything, I love my iPhone. I've just never had anyone who was able to explain why OSX is superior to Windows for anything and I'm curious what it does better.
I'm with Phoenix. I don't see the point in doing it just for the sake of doing it. If their products fit your needs, fine, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make sure everything is Apple.
That said, the primary value of Apple products is either a) showing of how bling yo pimp gear iz (aka conspicuous consumption), or if you're truly interested in them as computing devices, b) a user interface that is dumbed down enough that even your mom can use it. So if either of those things happen to be top priorities to you, then it just might be "worth it".
Thanks guys. Yeah, the hardware quality has a lot to do with it as well as the simplicity and sleek looks. If I don't go all Apple, I'll likely go with a Chromebook/Chromebox setup at home (dirt cheap), use Drive to synch and install Ubuntu on both. I'm just tired of Windows and don't want the hassle of messing with Ubuntu. I'm trying to get out of building my own stuff and just want to buy stuff that all works since I have less and less time these days.
I'm curious: How does one get tired of Windows?
I want something else, I'm ready to move on. The same way someone gets tired of a job, I suppose.
Apple products so far seem to be rock solid. Ive owned an IMac for years only had one that ever had any issues and it was simply the hard drive going bad. Ive used Iphones since they where first introduced and have an Ipad 2nd gen. For me they work great however I still game from a PC for obvious reasons.
To me apple products work much better with what I'm doing, but I'm not going to say Windows aren't good either. However, macs and all things apple, in this time period, are the best to own. The digital media Apple has a strong hold on and advantage selling, shows they have such a huge jump on so many companies its overwhelming.
Not too sure about the desktop/laptop aspect of Apple. Windows Vista is sufficient for my daily browsing. Hear the gestures are nifty but not entirely necessary.
Still using a simple flip phone. iPad is plenty of fun and I rarely need to use outside of wi-fi areas so no need for iPhone in my case.
The iPad is certainly a nice toy to have. Usage is fine, interface is simple, apple store is adequate.
My only tidbit is if you're attempting for jailbreak, read all the fine prints and warnings and save all the filetypes you need to restore in case errors happen.
And yes, they will happen eventually.
Is Apple worth it?
What are you looking for in an Apple? A basic interface swap? Apple hardware are known to be pretty top-notch and do come with warranty if you want to spend that extra cash. If you're unsatisfied with your PC/android tablet, then may it is time to see if there is something else out there you might enjoy.
Will this be the incredible experience I'm expecting and hearing about?
Huh? Its just a mac. Looks different. Still runs browsers the same. "Less virus'" so I'm told but if you're having issues getting viruses all the time, you might need to reconsider downloading random crap and visiting crappy websites rather than just switching to a mac to avoid the issue.
Will this gear last me 5 years?
iPad is a pretty sturdy piece of gadget. However, dropped a decent amount of time and at the right angle, the glass screen will shatter. Damn dog of mine yanked on the leash and my pad's got a nice crack on the bottom right hand corner as a result. It still works but I've taped down the screen protector to avoid any loose glass from cutting while I swipe. So if you take care of it and avoid any possible mistakes, it should last you 5 years no problem.
Those are some of my 2 cents. Whatever your actions are, best of luck.
my experience with apple product : Mac laptop, ipod, iphone.
- over priced if you compare to similar non apple product
- I have had my iphone for almost 3 years now and it still works great and Ipod for 5 years and have no problem with it either.
- If you have decent gear already and just pay to replace and have apple product with similar performance, i wouldnt do it
I think Macbooks are significantly better than virtually every Windows laptop. I used to buy the high end ultra portable Sony Vaios before switching to a Macbook and the difference in quality between the two was huge; Macbooks are really incredible pieces of kit.
The reasons why I like 'em --
- Built like tanks. I've dropped mine from 6ft onto concrete and it works without any problem
- The trackpad. Why do Windows trackpads still fucking suck? It's ridiculous. The Macbook trackpad is amazing. It's smooth, responsive and the multi touch gestures work really well (www.jitouch.com/index.php?page=trackpad). I think it's worth paying the slight premium for the trackpad alone.
- Magsafe. I lost a Sony Vaio once because someone tripped over the power cable and sent it flying. That'd never happen with a Macbook due to the magsafe power connector.
- Warranty. The ability to go into one of the hundreds of warranty service providers out there and have them repair your Macbook, assuming anything goes wrong, is pretty damn amazing. I had a problem with my power connector cable fraying when I was in Indonesia. I went to an authorised service provider and they replaced it there and then. No other manufacturer can match Apple's warranty
- OSX. I think OSX is a better laptop operating system than Windows simply due to its tight integration with the trackpad. Navigating, multi tasking etc. feels a lot better on OSX than Windows, imo. Having the terminal built in to the OS is really useful, too.
- Stability. I've got 40 days uptime on my Macbook at the moment and it's still running smoothly. I've only ever experienced a single crash since switching to OSX 4-5 years ago.
I don't care about the prestige or anything. I put black covers on my Macbooks to disguise them as Macbooks. I'd prefer it if less people knew I had a Macbook - less chance of them trying to steal it then. They're just really well built, well designed piece of kit.
If I was you, I'd wait for the next revision Retina Macbook Pro. The current LG screens have some problems with image retention that are really awful. The second revision model should fix those issues. Haswell should improve battery performance tons, too.
I don't think there will be a Macbook Air with Retina any time soon. I'd LOVE it, but I don't see it happening. Retina displays require too much power to work on a Macbook Air, for now.
I still think the iPad is better than the Nexus devices, too. I have a Nexus 7 and, while it's a great piece of kit, the app choice is incredibly shitty compared to the App Store. I think Jelly Bean is a better OS but it lacks the apps for now. I'm sure that'll change in a year or two though.
In terms of phones. I switched from the 4s to a Nexus 4 and I couldn't be happier. IOS feels archaic and dysfunctional compared to Jelly Bean, imo.
So, I'd recommend you pick up a Macbook and an iPad but stick with an Android phone.
Don't switch based on a feeling. Try every device and evaluate them on their own merits. Apple does good things, but so do other manufacturers.
I own an iPad, iPhone and I had an iMac. I sold the iMac because I already had enough computers running Windows. As a computer running OSX, it was useless as anything more than something to code for iOS on, and I didn't have time. OSX is interesting and all, but at the end of the day, the majority of the world's software runs on Windows. You can argue all you want about the interface being better (and I do think it's better, but that's subjective), but at the end of the day, it's about compatibility, and OSX has little. Note that this doesn't mean you can't switch to Mac hardware, as they run Windows just fine, and Cor makes some excellent points about Macbooks. They really are solid.
I'm probably about to switch to Android for my phone as well. The lack of a jailbreak for iPhone 5 is annoying me, not because I can't do without it, but because I don't think I should have to do without it. The Note 2 or S3 are looking really nice right about now, and the rumours (albeit only rumours at this point) about the S4 are looking even nicer. However, nothing's going to replace my iPad at this point, for reasons stated in previous posts.
TL;DR: If you buy 100% Apple, you will lose out on something, it's just a question of what you're willing to do without. That being said, Apple's end user experience does well for a reason -- it's because everything Apple works well together.
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I'd guess this is a bad forum to get much Mac love, and as most of you are gamers, you run Windows. Love my Apples. Been pure Apple for almost a decade, never looked back once. Have to use Windows on hospital computers. Hate it.
Osx86/hackintoshes. It's the best of both worlds. Build your own computer and run OSX on it. It's quite amazing how far the Osx86 project has come over the past few years. Modern day builds are very stable and can run on a wide range of hardware.
I don't think OSX is much better than Windows for desktops, though. As I said in my earlier post, I think the touchpad integration is what makes OSX so special. I bought a magic trackpad to use with my desktop but it's uncomfortable to use for long periods of time, thereby nullifying that benefit.
Windows is just a good as OSX with a mouse and keyboard, imo. Well, Windows 7 is anyway. Windows 8.. Metro.. Eurgh.
I can't say I've had any problems with software, btw. I've been able to find a program that does nearly everything I need it to. On the rare occasions that I need to use a Windows programs, I can boot up Windows in a Parallels VM and access it there. That only happens once every year or so, though.
Last edited by Cor; 01-14-2013 at 12:34 PM.
I switched 5 years ago to OSX. Before I left for college, I had bought an Alienware laptop that was a piece of shit and was sent out for repair more often than not. Worked in the school's newspaper where pretty much all the machines ran OSX, so I got used to the operating system there. Decided to buy a black plastic Macbook, and it's been running strong since.
OSX and Windows are fairly interchangeable, imo. The majority of the software you'd want is also written for OSX. However, if you use a lot of proprietary software, then you can always get Parallels and have Windows running without having to reboot or partition your HD.
I'm not a heavy gamer, but many of the games I've wanted to play are also available for OSX (all Blizzard games, Borderlands 2, Civilization, to name a few).
Back around 2005 I switched from PCs to an Macbook Pro, two years later I was back in PC land and gave away my Mac, never going there again!
At first I liked it as the only games I was playing were PC/Mac compatible. The initial experience was also good after some very fucked up experiences with PCs (my friends would joke that I was cursed, because my computers would be FUBAR even out of the box) and the Mac "just worked". The main problem though is that it also feels like you're in a straight jacket - both with what the OS will allow you to do, and also in the variety and quality of software you can get for it (although to be honest I'm mostly thinking of games and tweaking utility stuff here).
The people I know that love macs are either those who ONLY hang out on the web all day, or are some artsy fartsy people who muck about with Adobe software and stuff like that - and NEVER look under the hood so to speak.
So, if you don't mind using your computer the way some dudes at Apple HQ think you should use it, and know beforehand that all the programs you will likely ever use are Mac compatible or have good Mac substitutes then by all means switch. Otherwise stick to PC (or try out Linux).
Apple Macs are for moms, graphic designers, hipsters, and people that in general view computers as appliances. Apple OSX is built with the assumption that you are an idiot, and therefore locks down or drastically obfuscates your ability to do anything under the hood that might mess up your computer. There is nothing wrong with that per se, but personally I can't stand being sandboxed. Also, for the 2k you spend on an iMac you can build yourself (or have the local PC shop) build you PC that is twice as powerful and with the right case will look just as good.
That being said, after being sick of having to support my sisters because they couldn't manage to update their AV or avoid clicking yes to pop-up malware scams, I have guided them all to using Macs. It's perfect because now when their Macs screw up (and they do), they have to make an appointment at the Mac store to meet some hippie with a neckbeard and spacers in their ears.
If you want a pretty looking computer that is great for surfing the net, running ITunes, Photoshop, and word processors a Mac is for you. If you want more freedom in your build, save money and get more power, and play games, then get a PC.
Based on what you state, namely that you do graphic design, don't game, and money isn't an issue-- it sounds like a Mac is the way to go for you.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-14-2013 at 03:53 PM.
Haha, was I that transparent? I have tried to temper my negative view of Macs, doing my best to appreciate the fact that not everybody cares about bang for their buck, and some view their computer as a glorified toaster. I really do believe they are right for certain people, like my sisters that just want to shop/bank online, Skype, and create documents. What pisses me off are people who know nothing about computers, yet will lecture me on how godlike Macs are and just how pure suck Windows is, despite me using computers since 1982 and being paid very well in my field for that understanding.
My wife refuses to learn how to do anything in OSX. She wont even use the two finger scrolling on my touchpad; opting instead to archaically grab and drag the scroll bar.
I can't stand touch pads, be them Apples or Windows related I just don't care for them. My fat hands need a mouse I guess.
Trackpads and touch gestures are one of the things I can definitively point to and say OSX straight up does better than any Windows counterpart. So good in fact that I've considered completely giving up a mouse for anything non-game related and getting a desktop trackpad for normal use.
Hah, you guys are great--I appreciate the honest opinions.
I know the power of Windows and loved the ability to build my own computers, tweak, etc. but in recent years I stopped gaming, have different needs and just need things to work...and look nice. So yeah, I've become one 'those' guys even though I swore I'd never switch to Apple in the past.
Instead of going all in I'll likely just get a Macbook Pro or Air when they refresh this summer and two Thunderbolt monitors. I'll replace my Android phone and tablet whenever they die off rather than immediately.
I don't know what did it, but I turned into an Apple believer recently. I even bought a shitload of their stock when they dropped down to 500ish/share from 700/share in the fall. But don't worry, no skinny jeans or neckbeards for me...I'm a $19-jeans-from-Sears kind of guy.
...But from what you guys described I might end up getting an Apple for my wife as well, she's a fucking retard with computers...
I've used Windows basically all my life. Just got a macbook the past month or so. I find doing simple tasks like searching for where they store files, such as desktop backgrounds to be frustrating as hell. So basically if you're coming from heavy windows use, prepare for a learning curve. Overall though the build quality is very nice. and like others have mentioned the trackpad gestures are pretty awesome.
Apple's best days are behind them. people are starting to realize Apple is out of ideas and moving on to better tech. today they had to cut their order for new iPjones in half because no one is buying that half assed shit phone. no one needs iPods anymore, their computers are trash, iTunes is losing market share and the tablet market is more than saturated. 2013 won't be pretty for these queers.
also OP is a faggot for even suggesting the idea.
Things you can't do with your Mac
- Play most games that are worth playing
- Run most business application-- good luck running Bloomberg on your Mac. This is the reason why Mac's don't exist in the office outside of artsy firms, with the exception of the douchebag executive that insists on one, hence making my life miserable in supporting it on the network.
- Properly share Office files between Mac and PC. Works fine for mom's recipe list, far worse for more advanced Office files.
- Run most Excel plug-ins, because pretty much nobody 3rd party codes for Office for Mac
- Run most exam simulators/practice tests because they don't make a Mac version
- Download anything significant off a Torrent site, because those smart enough to upload torrets isn't stupid enough to own a mac, hence doesn't give a shit about Mac apps.
- Upgrade your mac to any significant extent, because all you can do is swap the HD and memory
- Be forced to pay 25% more for the Mac version of a peripheral "just because".
Put in realistic perspective, Macs are just as good for the average person as non-Macs. They're solid computers, they have excellent warranties and support, and I have absolutely no idea why you're miserable supporting a Mac on any network, unless you're trying to join it to a Windows network, in which case... it can be done.
If you need Windows to play games or run practice tests/exam simulators/whatnot, just use Boot Camp. It's not all that difficult to do. For apps that don't make full use of 3D, you don't even need to do that. Just use Parallels or VMware Fusion.
Likewise, for most Office issues, Parallels or VMware Fusion does the trick easily if you can't or won't use Office for Mac (which, I agree, sucks most of the time).
You're right, only about 1% of the torrent files on IPT are for Mac. That's also about 2000 torrents. You'll probably find what you want. YMMV.
Many non-Macs aren't readily upgradeable either. Not everyone wants the hassle of debugging shit. I own mostly laptops because I couldn't care less about building my own computer anymore. It's my career now, not my hobby. I just want shit to work when I get home. Apple is very good at Just Working for the masses. That's why they made so much money, and they don't care that people like us don't like their products as much. We are an insignificant minority.
A post bred from ignorance.
- Just a stupid comment to make. My IPT history would disagree with you.
- Apple has just as many third party peripherals as anyone else, it's pretty cheap and easy to get anything I need.
The rest of your comments maybe .001% of people give a shit about.
What peripherals are you forced into? I use mice, keyboards, and monitors that aren't Apple branded.
Yeah, that was a dumb fucking post. The only thing worse than Apple zealots are irrational Apple haters.
Nope. Not worth it.
Apple computers: way too expensive.
So, I have a dell. It was refurbished. I have had it for about three years. I spend under 400$ on it.
One Apple laptop STARTS at 1,200$. So, I can buy a new dell every year for three years before I can justify the cost of one Mac. Stupid.
Macs don't crash. FALSE. The least stable computer I have ever had was a Mac. They crash. A lot.
Also, most software is developed for PCs. Don't let the Mac disciples (because, really, Mac doesn't have customers, it has disciples) tell you differently. Graphic work happens just as effectively on a PC.
My iPhone and iPod and iPad link just fine with my PC. Bluetooth connection. It's golden.
So, to sum up: Macs: more expensive, nothing to gain.
Bested by a Dell. Ouch.
FWIW, one of my Dells has been plagued with issues. The other hasn't had a single problem. Maybe you had a Lemon, not an Apple. =D
Like I said in my post earlier, I used to buy the high-end Sony ultraportables. My Macbook was, in fact, cheaper than my Vaio. Even looking at other high end laptops, Macbook's are pretty competitive price wise. The refurbs are a great bargain, too. Essentially brand new Apple stuff for 20% off.
No one can argue very effectively that buying Apple hasn't always been more expensive, on average, than buying elsewhere. It's true, they are more expensive, in general. You need only look at their Black Friday "deals" to see how much of a niche market they serve.
Yes, there will be notable exceptions, but in the end, Apple stuff does tend to be at the top end of the price point for pretty much everything. I also happen to think some of that is merited, because they make good (not disciple-good... consumer-good) products.
Last edited by aychamo_aycono; 01-14-2013 at 10:11 PM.
I said games worth playing. Far Cry 3, Xcom, Dishonored, Mass Effect 3, etc.. You know Game of the Year type stuff. You can run a shitty port or in boot camp maybe, but then you might as well own a PC. Don't even try and compare the Mac selection of games to PC..
As for torrents, Alorkin above confirmed what I said
But by all means, I acquiesce ok? How about this, "A mac can do most of what a PC does, just costs twice as much". Less for more money, help yourself.
Also, before you all get your panties in a bunch, I fully recognize that Mac's have a valid target market. Like I said, all my sisters own one based upon my suggestion. So stfu.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-14-2013 at 10:17 PM.
^ FW, and you're absolutely wrong about torrents. It just shows what an ignorant retard you are. There are a number of fantastic torrent clients for mac. uTorrent, Transmission, etc.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-14-2013 at 10:18 PM.
As for games, like I said, not everyone cares. If gaming is your thing, yeah, Boot Camp is probably for you if you want a Mac anyway. Gaming isn't everyone's thing. Your choice of games isn't everyone else's, either.
Macs aren't for everyone and clearly aren't for you, but your anti-zealotry is silly. Some of your points are insignificant and some are just plain wrong.
Last edited by Alkorin; 01-14-2013 at 10:19 PM.
If there were as many OSX users as there are Windows users, though, that would change. People want "choice", whatever that means, because in the end, competing software often does the same thing(s) as all of its competition anyway. Look at how many Windows torrent clients there are...
It's not even close. This is equivalent to a 15" 2.3ghz MacBook which is $1799.
Examples like this are a dime a dozen.
You don't compare a Mercedes to a Mini. You compare it to a BMW or an Audi or whatever, much the same as you don't compare a high end laptop with a low end bottom of the rung Dell.
Ouch. FW wins this round, and I get to retract my statement above, because that's 3 times the price for very little (if any) difference.
The trackpad, the build quality, the keyboard, the screen, the weight, the battery life, the warranty, the operating system etc. etc.
Those things may not matter to you but they matter to me, and that's why I happily pay the premium for those features.
this Apple (the one priced $1699) is not even close. The Apple has a retina screen (twice the resolution), a SSD, gigabit ethernet, dual Thunderbolt ports, magsafe, it has more ram, a much, much better web cam (720p), bluetooth, and a multitouch trackpad. And that Lenovo has a weird, off-centered track pad. And that's not even mentioning all the good Apple pre-installed software. The macbook is just leagues ahead of that Lenovo. And we haven't even taken into account build quality and esthetics.
To say that these two computers are equivalent is completely dishonest, and is like comparing a Diahatsu to a Corvette.
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It's also important to note that Macs also hold their resale value like no other. I bought my current MBP 13" for $1,000. I can resell it tomorrow for $600. Not bad for a 3 year old laptop.
Price aside, I use my wife's macbook on occasion and I fucking hate it. Maybe it's just a result of my PC upbringing, but OSX kills me. It's counter-intuitive to the point where I can see very little increase in functionality in comparison to say... a tablet. It's also riddled with buggy little idiosyncrasies that I can't stand. Like having to disable/enable the network card every time I reopen it before it will connect, or its default setting that I discovered playing Starcraft 2 in which moving the cursor to the edge of the screen minimizes everything. Or having to scroll through a page of irrelevant files before my search of "Utorrent" comes up with the correct application. Or having to get a software update consisting of at least 4 different TOS agreements so that my newly-purchased power cord will actually charge the battery. Or that the 2-year old version of OSX isn't supported by programs that support OSX.
So not to talk trash about MAcs or whatever but I have an honest question. Sometimes my wifes Macbook and even my iPad will be connected through Wifi and it will all the sudden be super slow while the rest of my stuff that's connected never suffers. It's super annoying.
LoL! Nice Try. So I compare a mac and a PC that have very similar specs in order to make the price difference relevant, then you go and grab a totally DIFFERENT model of MacBook and begin to compare apples and oranges. There's a reason why the Mac I chose is $100 more expensive than the one that you say is superior, and it's is because it has a larger screen and an I7 CPU. More costly than a 128GB SSD and $40 for 4GB of ram. The one you chose isn't "better", it's just for different market segments, namely people who want fast boot speed over storage capacity, and don't mind the slower proc.
If you want to compare something similar to what you just chose, take a look at Samsung Series 5 or Series 9. Or though I hate them on principal, you can configure a Dell that has the exact same stats for $1100.00
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-14-2013 at 11:43 PM.
The items you listed may not match off tit-for-tat, but a lot of what you mentioned also falls into the category of "most people don't care":
- Retina screen. Most people are fine with 1366 x 768.
- SSDs are great and all, but they (generally) provide less storage space. Depending on who you are, this isn't a good thing.
- Dual Thunderbolt ports are nice and all, but again, this isn't something most people would jump up and down about.
- Better webcam? Seriously? This is a big line item? For who?
- MagSafe isn't something I would pay an order of magnitude more for. I don't see why people can't just be careful with their electronics. That might just be me.
Things that I agree are big talking points:
- GbE - Yes, this is a big plus.
- Bluetooth. Seriously, a modern laptop without bluetooth?
- Multitouch trackpad. These are awesome, or so I think -- but then again, I should probably take this off the list, because this is as much a personal choice as your disdain for the Lenovo trackpad. It's great that you don't like it. That's your opinion. Some people prefer the way Lenovo does things (although I wouldn't actually admit to knowing any, if I did).
In short, I disagree that these two laptops aren't comparable. They are very comparable, and yes, the Mac does have features that the Lenovo doesn't, even though it's due for a refresh. Even so, that's still $1100 in price difference, and for $1100, I can buy you one hell of a Bluetooth dongle. With that kind of delta in price, I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't a feature or two that the Mac was the clear winner on. The point here is that it shouldn't even be a contest. Comparing those two laptops should be like comparing a bunch of stones to a pocket calculator.
ITT, neither side seems willing to see the other's points. How surprising!
Last edited by Alkorin; 01-14-2013 at 11:53 PM. Reason: Forgot MagSafe, oops.
Apple doesn't seem to make a dual core 15 inch laptop without a Retina display. So do you want to try again? If you compare it to the 13 inch 2.9Ghz, which is $1499, it has a better hard drive, more ram, better display, gigabit ethernet, dual thunderbolt ports, magsafe, 720p webcam, bluetooth, multitouch trackpad, infinitely better build quality and look and feel, pre-installed software, etc. It's just leagues and leagues ahead. So you did *not* find a laptop that is equivalent to the MacBook for cheaper. I'm genuinely interested if you can find a equivalent non-Apple laptop for cheaper.
Oh, that Mercedes, I don't care that it has leather seats, or that it can prevent you from falling asleep and drifting into another lane, that doesn't matter to me. And I don't care that it's very reliable, or that it rides very smooth and is very safe. And I don't care that it has bluetooth streaming to my phone. So obviously my Diahatsu is just as good. And way cheaper.
Last edited by aychamo_aycono; 01-14-2013 at 11:58 PM.
Actually this is a big fallacy perpetrated by computer manufacturers. The fact is that in a consumer/home environment unless you are constantly copying large files across a wired gigabit switch--maybe from your NAS if you have one, a gigabit NIC offers no performance advantage over a 100mb one. Most standard network traffic isn't large or persistent enough to take advantage of gigabit. At the office the only people who get gigabit switch ports are IT and the few people who open massive CAD files. It's like saying a 100mb nic is a drain pipe that is 1 foot wide, while the gigabit nic is 10 feet wide. Now pour a glass of water down each, which will drain the water quicker? They'll both drain at the same rate.
For the record, if I could do so, I'd replace this Alienware with a Macbook anyday. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a gaming desktop replacement Macbook.
Dude, you want to argue that your MacBook is better than any PC, I can accept that because it is at least somewhat objective. But to seriously argue that you can get a Mac for the same or less than an equivalent PC is sheer lunacy.
Go onto Dell's site and configure yourself one that is VERY close.. I did and it came out to $1150.00
Last edited by aychamo_aycono; 01-15-2013 at 01:19 AM.
Just a personal example, but I went back to school as an adult (had 8 years of IT experience and changed fields to finance). I had a group project where I had to work with some kid who had a Mac. Watching him fumble around trying to do shit like click and it ending up minimizing and all sorts of other random shit, when all we needed to do was format an Excel document...yeah, fuck that. I'd never use one. Looks terrible. Absolutely a ridiculous experience.
I do have a first generation iPod nano. Thing has been running like a champ for about 7 years now?
Last edited by Elurin; 01-15-2013 at 01:24 AM.
The problem with apple is not the hardware, the hardware is solid, if a bit overpriced. The problem is the people. Apple is the Scientology of the computer world. They charge you for the same shit but in the process you become a fucking pod person. Now some of my best friends are pod people of the apple variety, but that does not mean I want to become one of them. (Shudder)
And there is nothing bargain basement about that Lenovo. Are you familiar with the manufacturer of the various components as well as having practical on the job experience with them Mr. IT person? We have over 50 Lenovo's deployed to our mobile workforce and they are built like tanks and have a very low failure rate compared to the HP's we ran before. Meanwhile I've got an executive's Mac sitting at the Mac hippie store with a blown hard drive for almost a week now.
This has nothing to do with a Mac vs PC debate, but myself, and anyone that knows what's up and wants a PC, would grab that $599 Lenovo, throw in a 128gb SSD for $120 and 4GB of ram $40 for call it a day. Best bang for your buck hands down. Fuck paying for an aluminum case, and most people wouldn't give a shit about the better webcam and gigabit port.
Last edited by Frenzied Wombat; 01-15-2013 at 01:27 AM.
I don't disagree with most of your points. I just thnk for what you get, the Macs aren't really that over priced. Again, it of course depends if you just want bang for the buck (a Honda) or if you want something better. I'd hate using that Lenovo for hours a day. Again, personal preference.
I feel like aychamo picked a bunch of shit that only a Mac would have, and he's daring you to find a laptop that'd have that same shit.
What's most important to me is..
- Build quality
- Worldwide warranty/support
- Battery life
- Quality of keyboard
- Quality of screen
- Magsafe-esque power connector
And, since I'll be picking up a Retina Macbook Pro later this year, I'll be looking for a laptop with a Retina class screen.
If you can find me a laptop that betters a Macbook in all these areas, I'll gladly pick it up. I've yet to find one that comes close.
How do you accidentally stand on a computer?
Yeah Cor you are definitely ready for a Mac Book purchase, all the things you are looking for have NOTHING to do with the laptop actually running software, or doing any sort of computation what so ever. So Mac away my friend.
I left it on the floor next to my bed. Stood on it in a half asleep-half awake daze. It was dumb, I know.
I have a Windows desktop and I currently have a Macbook. I think both OSX and Windows are great operating systems and I could happily make do with either of them. For me, the differentiator is the hardware and there isn't anyone out there that challenges Apple on that front.
Last edited by Cor; 01-15-2013 at 01:54 AM.
So yeah, I did focus on some superior hardware elements that Apple has. You simply can't point to an inferior hardware gunpoint and say its equivalent.
Elurin, your anecdote about a clumsy Mac user is just that. Just because someone can't use a computer doesn't mean the computer is poorly designed. God knows there's millions of retarded PC users. Does that mean Windows sucks? No.
^^ I forgot about the whole unibody construction. Again, I'm not saying they are the best thing on earth. Just that they are high quality, and not just overpriced versions of the same hardware. It's up to the consumer to decide if they want to purchase them.
I can't help but think that OP is the greatest troll ever for setting this thread in motion. Well played.
I didn't read every reply word for word, but the search "dual boot" didn't come up when searching. Anyways, this is one of the good options for using the Apple hardware, while overpriced compared to other brands, is pretty sleek and consistent experience. I understand why people like it.
The last company I worked at had a decent number of iMacs and MacBook Pros. Without going into the details, we put Windows 7 on all of them. Most people worked in Windows, and when necessary could switch to OSX to test something if necessary (sometimes also used VMs). Apple actually supports this with their "Boot Camp" software that comes on the iMac/OSX install disks. Has the windows drivers and everything. Very easy to do. I did it on about 10 iMacs & MacBook Pros.
I have a friend who does this full time. He has a MacBook Air with Win7 installed. So he gets the benefits of the good Apple construction, while running an operating software that he likes, and it let's him play his games.
They're like any laptop in the gaming aspect, they tend to get hot when playing games, and there's better choices out there. But if you've given up on gaming, it could definitely be something to check out.
You will need a windows key as well, which will increase the price. Assuming you pay for your software...
You'll probably be hated by both camps, the applefanboys for defiling an apple product, and the applehaters for paying for the hardware.
And yeah, I've seen plenty of laptops that were damaged as a result of a fall.
I spend 6 months out of the year travelling so my laptops get put through a lot of punishment. They need to be able to survive that. Aluminium is sturdier and stronger than plastic.
Since Apple went with the new lightning connector instead of using using micro usb that everyone uses and thus making all the old accessories pretty much useless without an adapter... I say fuck them! They could of went the usb route but noooo they wanted more money.
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