i can't wait to see the show and see IpwnF8gs and EatAD1ck in the background dry humping each other
the MMO Thread
no real new news, but the game starts beta shortly and seeing the trailer on tv, so maybe more info will start coming out. reportedly has a combined $80 to $100 million budget, so hopefully it will turn out decent.
The series is set in the near future, where aliens known collectively as Votans have come to Earth seeking a new home after their solar system was destroyed. However, when they reached Earth, they discovered despite a prolonged negotiation with the government on Earth, they were not welcome. Rather than turn away, they began a war with the humans as they are determined to make Earth their new home. During the war, the Votans drop terraformers on the planet and transform the surface of the planet; scorching the earth, opening chasms in the ground and covering the surface of the planet in dust and debris. After decades of war, a ceasefire is declared when both sides realise they must focus on survival on this new almost alien planet. The series largely revolves around the character of Jeb Nolan. Jeb was only ten years old when the Votans arrived and he served in the military during the war. With the war now over, he returns to his hometown of St Louis to find it's is no longer the city he left; it is little more than refugee camp. Deciding his services are needed, Jeb takes up a position as the Chief Lawkeeper in Defiance, so he can protect the town from dangerous clashes between humans, aliens, military scavengers and other dangerous visitors who occasionally enter the town
i can't wait to see the show and see IpwnF8gs and EatAD1ck in the background dry humping each other
Julie Benz looking hot
from the mmo forum, signup at http://defiance.com/en/beta for the first stress test. I signed up with my expired Rift account and just got an invitation email for jan 11 stress test, havent played rift in over a year so I assume they are just taking everyone.
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Anyone get a chance to watch this show? Im slightly interested. If its good I can get all caught up thanks to on demand for now, but I dont want to spend 3-4 hours watching crap hoping "the next episode will turn it around"
this show Starts when.
Winter is Coming!
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First 14 minutes of the show. Kind of interesting and I can definitely see kernels of Farscape in it.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the game is going to be much more interesting than the series. I would have expected a Farscape kinda vibe from the thing, except it looks like nearly all the main characters are human with only a couple token Votans among the bunch... Seems kinda silly to go to the trouble of having all these different Votan races and then not really make much use of them. I would have thought there would be at least one main character from each of the principle races.
Premieres tonight for those who may have forgotten. Really hoping this is good so I can have some SciFi in my life.
rips came out yesterday. not watched it yet
There only seem to be shit rips out at the moment so beware. There is one proper sized 720p rip (marked as PreAir, I checked Usenet and IPTorrents) but it stutters like a motherfucker and the capper manages to flash his windows task manager at you too.
It's Rockne O'Bannon so it is very Farscape like from the 10 or so minutes I watched before I gave up and decided to wait for a better rip.
I just watched the 14 min trailer and it seemed decent enough. Obviously not enough to judge the story, etc... Looking forward to tonite.
good rip is out. mmmm reviews tell a mixed bag.
Was meh, CGI is questionable in some spots ie the car chase. Might be worth continuing to watch.
The CGI effects and especially makeup is just not good. Farscape was over 10 years ago and looks much much better...hopefully they sort their shit out after the pilot.
Knowing Syfy, probably not. Decent pilot, I'll tune in next week.
This show completly reminds me of that show that lasted i think 1 season .. .Spielberg's Terra Nova. But now there are aliens instead of Dino's
I'll continue to watch though as there are no other good scifi shows on tv right now.
Meh...It was all right. Nothing special...
This was the first show I've watched on SyFy since StarGate Universe was cancelled. It'll also probably be the last. Defiance is exactly what I expected: Formulaic. Derivative of better shows. Predictable.
The characters are two dimensional. It's already obvious who they're going to have shacking up with who, and there's going to be a fucking love triangle between the hero, the mayor and her sister, the whore.
The technical side of the show is laughable. I get that Earth has changed, but mountains in St. Louis that show signs of millions of years of erosion? The St. Louis Arch, which is broken but miraculously hasn't fallen down. The introduction of alien super-predators without an alien food chain to support it. Technology that survives a unguided entry from orbit. Motherships that enter the atmosphere. An alien army of armored mechs that die when shot with bullets... I could go on and on.
I'm gonna give it one more week, just to reaffirm my belief that SyFy can't do anything right.
Meh, I was face palming the whole time.
Why didn't they just leave at Nolan and Irisa going from post apocalyptic town to town, doing jobs. We got to learn more about them little by little and things could be kept fresh every week.
Instead we get Days of Our Lives, with some really crappy looking aliens and CGI.
Maybe I'm alone in this but I didn't give a shit about the mayor, the two fathers and their families, specially the emo-alien dude and the Indian dude's daughter. Why are they concerned about a murder when there's all sort of shit going on outside the post apocalyptic world. Things just felt all over the place. The characters were just way too one-dimensional. The only ones I cared about were Irisa and Nolan. I wanted to know more about them, see more of their adventures. Instead I had to sit through soap-opera forcibly acted dialogue that made me cringe.
So white haired alien, Mafioso, owner of fight-club dude decides to break some guy's hand for not paying his loan on time, yet as soon as the town is threatened he suddenly pardons all debts? That's just one example of many where the writers/director just doesn't know exactly what socio-political level he wishes to achieve. You have people achieving Star-Trek alien world level of normalcy when we're lead to believe that it's a dangerous world with roaming alien mutant beasts?
I was expecting something closer to Bartertown from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome. That's the kind of swindling, scummy, hive, I want to see in these settings. With aliens, ark-hunters, regular humans, going in and out. One look at Tina Turner's character and you knew she was corrupt and had no problem cracking the whip. Mayor Rosewater came off as an awful imitation of Sarah Palin. The indian's (McCawley) performance is awful, his daughter's is worse. None of the characters show a sense of urgency. Neither about the chaotic world going on outside their town, nor when the town is threatened. Not that it matters anyways, the alien menace that attacked made Storm Troopers look like elite seals. No background on those alien mechs and powered armored dudes by the way. Not that you'll care, the town doesn't give a shit that they're in the middle of a post apocalyptic world.
By the time the aliens come, you're pretty much going "what the fuck"? Who the fuck are these guys? Why do I care? I don't even care that they are attacking the town. I was seriously hoping the town would be obliterated along with all the characters except Irisa and Nolan. Again, I honestly think none of us give a shit about any other characters except those two.
I don't think this is the network's fault. This is just awful writing, just simple shit that gets overlooked. I just don't get it.
I can't believe that people on YouTube put together better short films than this shit.
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1) Going town to town = bigger budget needed unless they all look the same. Even on shows like ST:TNG where they went to new planets, they spent like 80% of the episode on the ship.
2) Why wouldn't they be concerned about a murder in the town? The whole point of the town is it's supposed to be a stable place vs. the chaotic outside.
3) I saw the debt pardoning as a way to garner support for himself, but make it appear to be altruistic. The dude's endgame is to basically rule the town it seems...if the town is destroyed, you really can't do that. If the town lives, now you have lots of supporters, which makes future political endeavors much easier.
4) Show hasn't gotten into it yet, but the whole world isn't 100% fucked. There are stable areas (so to speak), like the NE United States is basically Earth Federation land. The midwest area is kinda chaotic, though. And of course they care they are in a post-apocalyptic world, hence why they want to preserve the town. People crave normalcy in times like that and a stable town fits that bill...it's only the sociopaths that crave the idea of joining a fucking group of raiders or cutthroats.
Yeah, the primary reason why they're setting it in Defiance is that there's a MMO that is running parallel to the show, so having the protagonists moving from town to town would be a bit hard to follow for the players of the game.
The thing that cracks me up is the game... I mean, I'm guessing the players represent all the schlubs that are in the background during the show, but what fun is that going to be? Every MMO out there tries to make players feel like a hero, and this one is saying, "Yeah, you're not a hero, you're a schlub. A faceless extra that will never be cooler than the characters in the show."
Well the game takes place in san francisco and the show takes place in St louis. Not going to see that much direct tie ins although I am guessing you will hear about stuff happening in san fran from time to time when some big game event concludes but that is easy enough to work in without much trouble.
Here is something I posted in the MMO thread on Defiance and I'm re-posting it here and expanding on it a bit.
So Jarnin dealing with the fossil record is kind of hard so...
So that is my second attempt
As for your ideas: Warp drive isn't magic. It's actually founded in science, and that's why it belongs in science fiction. If it were magic, that would be fantasy, or more aptly "space opera" (like Star Wars).
And about that fossil record: There's no getting around that. Humans evolving on Earth is a fact. How they evolved is still contested by non-scientists, but anybody that's anybody in the scientific community accepts the theory of evolution by natural selection as the best explanation of how humans evolved.
Now for minor spoilers and some spit-balling:Spoiler:
But here's the thing: If the aliens have terraforming technology that is so advanced it can literally build mountains in a matter of three decades, why the fuck didn't they simply claim Mars? It's uninhabited, has about the same surface area as all the continents on Earth, has water, has about 40% of the gravity...
Of course if they did that there'd be no Defiance because the aliens would have just said, "OK, you guys can have that planet, we'll make this little one over here our home since you haven't even got the technology to travel to it yet."
Seriously, aliens invading Earth is SO overplayed these days. We live in a gravity well that's a pain in the ass to leave. There is literally INFINITE resources out in space. Heavy metals, water ice, carbon, nitrogen. Everything those aliens would need to set themselves up with a sweet space station, or terraform Mars. There's no reason to bother Earth at all.
And that's one reason why I think this show is silly. We're still dealing with science fiction tropes from the fucking 1950's and 60's. An alien invasion is just not likely once you've got the ability to travel between the stars. That's the hard part. Once you're in space it's better just to stay there and build lots of ships and space stations from the resources already up there.
i hated this show. the whole fucking setting is bullshit and none of it interesting.
"Magic" was one of the three ways to travel through space while warp like drive and traveling the hard way were the two others.I see three ways: magic, warp like drive, or just traveling the hard way.
Also you seem to be ignoring the constant radiation you would be exposed to in space. Just setting up a space station if you find a good spot still might work but it would be "safer" to live on a planet where the highly fractionalized politics of 7 species wouldn't put such a delicate structure at risk. Terraforming other planets defiantly seem like a better idea I agree but that can be considered another one of those important but small problems like how they got here and why there are all seemingly offshoots of humanity.
The terraforming technology is one of those important but smaller problems that I can't readily think of an answer for. It is important enough to be serious but not as crucial as just answering how the aliens got from there to Earth and all see to be offshoots of humanity.
I totally forgot about time dilatation.
Total agreement in aliens invading earth. Maybe we can fend them off with a Macbook, a vial of smallpox and a baseball bat.
There is backstory yet to be filled on the show, but there has been background made:
1) They did not know Earth was inhabited by intelligent life until they got closer
2) Human governments knew they were coming 10 yrs before they got to Earth. Biomen and anti-grav were created before the aliens showed up.
3) Arks traveled at near-light speed (not FTL drives), so they had to slow down as thet got closer to our system. That is why the governments had 10 yrs to plan
4) Aliens peacefully negotiated with Earth, which allowed some colonies to be setup. Majority of aliens remained on the arks. Tensions began to escalate as colonization was slow going and humans resisted allowing the aliens to use terraform tech, due to concerns about the impact on native ecosystems. Alien ambassador was assassinated by a human, riots happened, Pale wars started. At somepoint, ALL the arks exploded at sametime, which resulted in uncontrolled terraforming. Pale wars ended because Earth got fucked up for everyone, but military factions still exist and hate eachother. Areas away from military influence (like Defiance) are more mixed in terms of races.
So you want me to get involved with the intricacies of the town's people. Their love lives, their dilemmas, and so on. So now the chaotic post-alien apocalypse world outside loses luster, importance, urgency. If you throw in anything from the outside (like those invading mecha aliens) I don't really care, I don't feel the impact.
I think they were feeding me way too much too early.
First pilot should have focused on:
-Irisa and Nolan. Who are they? Why are they important?
-What makes this town so special? Don't just tell me in one sentence.
-They did try to make the town important by making Nolan linked through it (needing a job and the town being a good source), but it really wasn't developed. He was mostly connected through some faux sense of duty and altruism. Which fell flat since we really don't know much about Nolan and what makes him such a big shot. Sure they've told us here and there that he was a former soldier. But that's why I say that the first few episodes should have been about getting us connected with those two characters.
-The town's mayor and former mayor. It should have opened with those two contending for office. This would have given us some firm insight about the socio-political divides among the people of the town. It would have allowed us to see the inner workings of the political machine and shown us what being leader of this frontier town was all about. It would have been a good tool to set us straight on what makes this town special.
-Everyone else should have been left for Episode 3, or 4, or later on. By the time Episode 3 or 4 rolls around we would have been attached to the town and the mayor. We would now begin to see the major families that make up the hierarchy of the town. Episode 4 should have focused completely on Mcawley and the alien white guy. Who are they? Why are they important to the mayor and the town? How "big" are they? Since we already have an idea of the political divides we would have a firm grasp of the effects the dichotomy of these two families have on the town (and ultimately Nolan and Irisa). The albino alien is the dark hand of liberal opportunistic commerce, making his money on services, financing, racketeering, blackmail, etc. Mcawley being the working man, making money the old fashion way, through hard work and dedication. Perfect food for plots and would have given the mayor's character a lot more background and roundedness. How does she deal with these two major political forces in her town? How did she win them over?
They tried to put way too much in just the first pilot. What ended up happening is that everything felt too generic, cliché, and watered down.
Eh, it's a pilot. Most pilots usually try to introduce you to the main characters and set the premise, even if you don't get to learn much about them (although usually you are introduced to their "main" attributes that set the tone for the character).
I felt the pilot seemed to set the general tone for the main characters we were introduced to, so at this point it just becomes a question as to whether or not they are able to develop them in a satisfactory way (which is part writer, part actor).
As far as SyyyFyyy programming goes this wasn't completely awful. Yes it was predictable and everything that happened in town could have not happened and no one would have cared but it was tolerable and fun in a campy sort of way. It is pretty ridiculous that there's advanced energy weapons/shields, 5 sentient alien species and bloody battle mechs roaming around all over the place but basic aviation seems to be some sort of arcane mystery lost to the sands of time but whatever.
I just can't see this show being worth watching for long though if they are going to go down the route they hinted at; family drama and town politics with our hero doing bs detective work each episode and averting random crisis_01. The plot reveal at the very end was interesting but you know they are going to stretch that out for forever and a day before anything actually happens. It would have been much better if the town had simply died off and we instead get to enjoy a weekly MadMax adventure on a twisted earth, it would have been more interesting at any rate.
Hrm. Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be from the initial 14 minute preview, but not terribly good either. The scene
Boring, generic, derivative. meh.
" I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?"
I think it was really bad.
That being said, I'm going to watch a few more episodes to see if it improves. The pilot was just that: a pilot.
The show had a couple of moments but for the most part was ...boring. A reference to Terra Nova was made in a previous post and that is exactly how it feels. I realize that many afternoon soap operas no longer air, but could we please keep that environment in the afternoons? I was hoping for a gritty show that showed a combination of old tech and new tech being used to defend a city of 10's of thousands of "humans". The combining of alien races and humans just seems odd without a better back drop than " We came together because we hated war" premise. Was our poor little planet attacked by 8 different aliens races?
There is just to much "What the fuck?" about this show. One thing that really struck me as odd. They use force shields to protect the city from attack.....on the ground???? Hello, we have technology now that carries explosives over a wall. It is called a missle or hell even a trebuchet. Shouldn't the shield envelope the city as to protect not only from air/space based invasion but also from falling debris??
God I miss Firefly....
I don't get the vitriol for this, I thought it was decent and it entertained me with its sorta campy feel. It certainly wasn't nearly as bad as the pure garbage that was SGU and I'll take what watchable sci-fi I can get.
Some of you guys seem to project waaaaay too high hopes onto this that you shouldn't have had in the first place.
Yeah, it wasnt bad, lets put it this way, it wasnt "Revolution bad". But then again it wasnt some sci-fi masterpiece either. Definitely worth checking out a few more times and seeing where it goes.
It's also best to hold off on alien tech nitpicks until we see what it can actually do. If a future episode shows folks flying in while the screen is up, then it would be a glaring plothole/indication of poor writing.
Could do without yet another wisecracking antihero who is a hit with the laydeez tbh. Apart from that it was nowhere near as bad as other SyFy offerings (eg Warehouse 13 .. ugggh).
I'd kill for Deadwood Sci-Fi show, and I'd have absolutely loved it if that's what this was (Even if it had to be campy because the writers/producers were bad)...but I had the bar set, far, far, lower....and they managed to crater well below that.
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Revolution is unwatchable not because of the characters, but the entire premise and what the characters do is laughable if you even try to think about it for a second. Energy absorbing nanobots? WTF? Entire subway running out of oxygen because of 5 mouthbreathers? Shit like that....
This to me is more believable because the entire alien thing basically makes almost anything possible (alien tech)
And it was shit. SGU was cliche as fuck but execution was superior and characters seemingly likable. Then it became a soap opera and the rest is history. This show's awful customs and alien species reminded me of Farscape. That show was funky as hell and that was fun. It had a charm to it and this show doesn't, yet. They are throwing all these different fucking races at once and I cannot fucking seem to find a care for any of those shit. Maybe in 2-3 episode, it will get better. Or worse, like Terra Nova.
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You know, sometimes when I read forums, I'm just sad for some people.
Nowadays, it looks like all people do is endlessly nitpick about everything.
For what it's worth, I enjoyed the pilot, but that's just me. I tend to enjoy things without being overly negative about them.
YEah they definitely need more explanation and back story. There was like 4-5 alien races there? How and why did they all get there?
One thing thats annoying right from the start is how did this entire war thing and terraforming all happen within 30 yrs?
Just seemed like boring, campy, formulaic "made-for-sy-fy" fodder to me, like most of their stuff unfortunately. Had every cliché in the book imho. Almost changed the channel when he went hand to hand with the "Bio-man", then finally couldn't stand it anymore once it got to the point where the miner's kid got murdered. If they wanted any hope of sucking me in, they needed more sci-fi and less Soap Opera\ABC Afterschool special. If you want to interject gay sub-plots, do it after I at least know what the fuck is going on in the world.
Yeah, it was alright. Nothing amazing, but I liked the main character and his girl. Some good humor here and there. Will continue to watch.
MMO and season pass on sale through GMC.
Have not tried it but looks like price is falling fast if people are looking into getting into that deal.
http://www.defiance.com/en/series/wo...aliens/sensoth they are all Votan races also the chain of events can be found here: http://www.defiance.com/en/series/wo...asion-timeline
That timeline reads like something a 7th grader would write, and the problems start in the first entry.
A rogue star wouldn't "collide" with shit. It would certainly disrupt planetary orbits if it got close enough, but that wouldn't cause problems for an advance species. You just dig in and live underground. It would take hundreds of years for a planet to get tossed out of a system.3502 BCE
Indogene scientists begin tracking a rogue star that is on a collision course with their own solar system. They theorize that the resulting collision will wipe out all life in the Votanis system. The Indogenes warn the other races that they need to begin planning an exodus. The other races don't believe them, and balk at the astronomical cost of the proposed Ark fleet
And there being multiple intelligent species living in a single solar system? The odds of that happening are literally astronomical. I mean, humanity once existed among other species, and you don't see many neanderthals around these days, do you? We either killed them off or bred them out of existence.
Here's another gem:
It takes decades to build a nuclear power plant, and that's not counting all the regulations and shit. It's a massive undertaking, and they're building multiple plants in a matter of a few years, during a fucking war. Can you say "bullseye"? I mean, Israel and the US want to bomb the shit out of Iran for building a single nuclear plant because it could be used to build bombs, but apparently the Votans think these plants are just for power...2025
Global war makes delivery of fossil fuel to America problematic. Nuclear energy gains prominence and many new power plants are constructed, including one along the Mississippi River in St. Louis. As food and energy become scarce, people become desperate, leading to a number of human/human and Votan/Votan side conflicts.
You know what? I know what my problem is: I'm a few years out of the 18-35 demographic that SyFy targets for all their shows. Combine that with a healthy science education, a love for actual science fiction, and some critical thinking skills and it's no wonder why I can't enjoy any of the crap SyFy has to offer.
You have to just not think about this shit and enjoy the campiness of it or don't bother, because it will drive you nuts.
I haven't watched the show yet (prob wait until all episodes air so I can marathon it) but imo those are way too nitpicky. Science fiction cannot work under the constraint of "it hasn't happened for humans, so thats impossible!" We literally have no idea whats out there in the stars, so shooting down any idea is imo anti-science. Who knows how life will evolve elsewhere, the vastness of space does really approach infinity and with those kind of numbers, anything you can imagine is entirely possible. Maybe there is a planet where magic is real, maybe there is a planet where dogs and cats run things and humanoids are pets, and I can most certainly believe a star system where multiple planets have evolved multiple species to space faring capabilities.
on the other hand yeah the closer you set ideas to our own timeline the sillier they can sound, the tons of nuclear-power-plants sound a bit dopey but not out of the bounds of possibility, maybe in a few years they can turn nuclear weapons into power plants really fast or something (yes I know the uranium in nukes is the output of power plants but maybe its reversible in the future?).
The thing that really annoys me most about scifi shows is how aliens always look humanoid (for casting/makeup/etc) reasons, our bodies are a pretty shitty construct with a lot of flaws, always love to see really crazy looking aliens. Also Dodge cars everywhere makes me laugh, everyone knows toyotas and hondas will be the real survivors (just look at any shithole in Africa or Asia, all running 80s toyotas).
Read the fake news articles that are sublinked at that site. They actually mention concerns regarding the super fast building of the nuclear powerplants and how it seems pretty suspect (safety issues aside). As for the rogue star, I guess it would depend on how large it is. If it were some type of super giant, then I imagine that could fuck things up pretty badly. Even if it didn't physically engulf any planets, the gravitational forces would probably cause all sorts of problems on the planets and any ship building facilities they had in orbit.It takes decades to build a nuclear power plant, and that's not counting all the regulations and shit. It's a massive undertaking, and they're building multiple plants in a matter of a few years, during a fucking war. Can you say "bullseye"? I mean, Israel and the US want to bomb the shit out of Iran for building a single nuclear plant because it could be used to build bombs, but apparently the Votans think these plants are just for power...
Besides, you don't wait for the flood to hit before building a boat. "No guys, it's cool. No rush on the boat...we can just build it later under much more difficult circumstances!". Also, bear in mind these races still can't travel FTL. It took them 5k years to reach Earth at sub-light speeds, so it makes sense to plan ahead ;P
its shaping up to be a good year for scifi anyways, JMS (babylon 5) and wachowskis (matrix) are making sens8 for Netflix in 2014, 10 episode scifi series without much info yet. Yesterday AMC announced Ballistic City is going to debut this fall, a show about a cop on a generational ark-ship in space, described as Blade Runner+BSG. They are pairing it with Walking Dead this fall too, so it means a huge audience right off the bat.
also trailer for Helix is out, new show by Ronald Moore (BSG) on SyFy about somethingbad in the Antarctic, looks kinda terrible but who knows.
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What networks/studios need to do is stop comparing their "new" series to old series. It's like everything is a mash-up these days, and they have to tell you what they mashed together, otherwise people won't be interested.
Regarding Ballistic City: Don't tell us it's a fucking mash-up of Blade Runner and Battlestar Galactica. They should just tell us what it's going to be about and let us make the comparisons. Sell that shit on its own merit. If it sounds interesting, people will watch it.
The saddest thing about this show was that they used music several times that sounded like they ripped off the BSG soundtrack and just added a beat here or there.
Was a colossal mistake for anyone that enjoyed BSG because everytime I heard it my mind would rebel and say "Why aren't we watching BSG instead?"
Overall the thing that upset me the most is that the acting was just terrible. The daughter character and the whore sister were the only ones with a shred of talent (the main character is ok as well, but his dialog... Eesh). Casting was bad, dialog was bad and I have the sneaking suspicion that the marketing budget outweighed the effects budget by 2:1... Anytime you need to push a product THAT much there is a problem... And I run a marketing and consulting firm.
I wasn't expecting BSG, but I thought I'd get something better than Eureka. Granted it did get significantly better the second hour and I will watch at least 2 more episodes before I put a nail in this... Mostly because I want the game to be good enough for me to buy it :/
Bear Mccreary is the composer for Defiance, same composer for BSG/Eureka/Sarah Connor Chronicles/Lost Girl/etc.
The fight-club owner breaks the hand of some guy (via Sensoth proxy) for approaching him in public with his payment because the guy that was meant to pick it up, hadn't done so yet. This action would have prevented the payment from being late, even if it wasn't this guys fault. It was the approach in public and the personal affront to fight-club dude that caused the hand breaking.So white haired alien, Mafioso, owner of fight-club dude decides to break some guy's hand for not paying his loan on time
Even fight-club dude knows that once the statis net is down, the town is fucked and he'll never see a red cent anyway because all of the people that owe him money are corpses... not to mention he himself would likely die. This means he is pragmatic despite his "talk to me the wrong way and I'll fuck your shit up". If the town survives, there's more chances that he'll have to rape the pockets of stupid people, and... he'll now also have a higher social standing in the eyes of the community. This is very, very important to him... see the hand breaking incident, and the applause comments just before that event.yet as soon as the town is threatened he suddenly pardons all debts?
There's several different levels of your so called socio-political for each and every race in the Voltanis Collective. The Indogenes don't follow the same rules and the Sensoth, and not every member of even those races ascribes to those rules either. See the "Spirit Riders" and the normal Irathients living in Defiance. The most important part of this that they have hinted at, and haven't spelt it out for the viewer is that fight-club guy is a Castithan, and they have a very strict social caste system. This is why his wife shows almost total submission to him... while trying to manipulate him. I assume, and that's the kicker really, that these things will eventually be explained.That's just one example of many where the writers/director just doesn't know exactly what socio-political level he wishes to achieve.
I'll agree that the Volge lacked any real menace. We should have seen them rip up an outpost or something first to give them more... oomph, for a lack of a better word. Disintegrating the three bikers just looked lame as fuck. I guess that's what happens when you use extras for battle scene green screens.Not that it matters anyways, the alien menace that attacked made Storm Troopers look like elite seals. No background on those alien mechs and powered armored dudes by the way.
The very first thing you see in this series is a young kid watching the first Votan ships arrive on Earth... while standing in a park just in front of the St. Louis archway. At the very end of the episode, you can see Nolan standing in front of the ruined archway in Defiance 33 years later. That kid in the beginning? That's Nolan as a child. He grew up in St. Louis, saw the ships come, matured while the negotiations were underway, and later fought in the Pale Wars on the site of his hometown, and now he's back, as a veteran, a damned near legend and an uncouth scavenger that has a way with the chickies.
All this information is in that pilot.
What I won't tell you (from playing the game) is just what the hell happened at the Battle of Defiance.
2nd episode was pretty good imo. No real terrible CGI.
Ya, that was kinda cool...although it doesn't explain why the Arch didn't get buried ;P
I'm sure it did , looks like terraforming or whatever covered it up. They rebuilding the Arch up above ground to start over the city.
The makeup for the Castithan, Irathient and Indogene got better this first episode of the actual series, so maybe between the filming of the pilot and the start up of main photography on the series they had more chance to refine their craft. The wife had always looked good, but now looked more realistic and Datak no longer looks like a guy in a really bad wig.
Graham Greene is doing quite well in the show, I still wonder what Voyager would have been like had he played Chakotay as was originally the intention.
It's so annoying when shows make up curse words and angers me to no end. Maybe I am the only one.
The alien ships show up without a single person knowing until they hit atmosphere?!?!
Why can't we have good scifi?
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Now, they flee their home because their solar system was destroyed by a rogue star? Ok, but then they say that some races are from different systems and that they successfully terraformed a world in another system. GRB from a type 1a supernova zaps nearby systems as well perhaps? Possible even if not mentioned. Of course those planets would merely have a destroyed ozone and I'm sure repairing that would be easier than traveling 5k lightyears. Not to mention any planet more than a mere 30-100 light years away or more would be unaffected. 5k is quite overkill. They would likely have found an earth-like well before then anyway, especially considering they have already found other sentient oxygen breathing life in other nearby systems, indicating how common it is in that universe.
So ETs come on over, and they end up riding motorcycles; because they brought plenty of space hand guns, laser knives, and a forcefield or two, but no flying cars. Come on, even SGA had flying cars! Terra Nova didn't either, and look what happened to that shit show. (not near the top of the list for reasons why it was a shit show however) Us humans must have owned them pretty hardcore in the war with our remote controlled kill bots and B1 bombers while they marched around with small arms. I mean, drop a fucking daisy cutter on those idiots and be done with it. If prostitutes with assault rifles can kill them, they must make Jaffa look menacing. I guess the armor is decorative. Or maybe it was our 'biomen' that held them at bay during the war-- because brute strength somehow became useful in war against interstellar travelers after it fell out of style in the 15th century. Just don't tell the bad guys that you can turn them off by punching them in the ass.
I think what I found the most disappointing about the show is that all the interesting stuff happened BEFORE the show starts. The invasion is done and over with, and the city 'Defiance' was named for the CEASE FIRE. Irony. God knows what you do in that game that I won't pay money for.
Stupid shit to nitpick. 1) human governments knew aliens were coming 10 yrs prior, regular folks only knew like a week or so before hand 2) the Votans left their system 5k years ago, which means that unless they had some leet scout probe, they couldn't have known there was intelligent/technologically advanced life 3) For the last time, they didn't come to invade in the way you're thinking 4) the war did fuck up parts, but Votan civies were on the ground to. Nuking from orbit makes little sense when you're trying to live there 5) sure, you can maybe terraform any planet, but unless it can magically make a big ass iron core so your planet can deflect solar badness, then long term it doesn't do you much good.
As it is, I now just view this show like a small town western with some futuristic angles to it. It helps me to better except the premise. If you do not like westerns you probabaly will not like this show.
Just watched the second episode and liked it much more than the first one. That is all.
Ok, who's betting that the weird golden thingamajig Miner Dad (yeah I suck at remembering names) found in his son's drawer is the thing the bad guys are looking for?
Yup. The "coming this season" teaser after the pilot suggests that everyone is after that artifact.
Didn't they essentially say that at the very end of Episode 1? When the old mayor was saying don't worry when the younger dude was saying now that the boy is dead we don't have the key.
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Leaps and bounds better than 95% of shows on TV? You obviously don't watch enough TV.
Right now I have about 30 shows I watch a week. I would put Defiance roughly in the middle of the pack. Not one of the shows I watch is a reality show by the way.
It isn't a terrible show but it's definitely not 'good' we can say it's OK.
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The Walking Dead (Just ended)
Game of Thrones
The New Normal
Justified (Just ended)
Body of Proof
The Big Bang Theory
Two and a Half Men
Parks and Recreation
Person of Interest
Archer (Just ended)
Spartacus (Just ended)
Hart of Dixie
How I Met Your Mother
Banshee (Just ended)
I think I got them all, so like 37 but a few of those ended and I am too lazy to check which ended within the last week or two.
Amazon Prime just put out 14 pilots of new shows I haven't touched yet and Hemlock Grove I might do also. We finished House of Cards.
MOST of the shows I listed are good shows. Some of them are okay shows. Defiance is at that border line betweeen good and okay.
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Game of Thrones and The Big Bang theory are the only two on that list besides Defiance that I can stand.
It's like Firefly meets Babylon 5 or something. I don't even know what proper mashup it is.
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Shows with endless and unrealistic love triangles/solutions/responses piss me off. Shows that teach you the best way to deal with hard problems is hope and prayer... Shows with idiot bad guys or genius bad guy until they turn into total idiots at the end..
Like I said I am picky.
I did not say 'nuke' from orbit. Nuclear explosions spread radiation, are more difficult to manufacture than kinetic kill weapons, and are more easily defeated/deflected/disabled than kinetic kill weapons; nukes even have less yield per unit of mass than very fast kinetic weapons. (relativistic velocity missiles) Any science fiction writer who spent a weekend on wikipedia would know that the 'simple' ability to transport objects into space enables extremely potent weapons. An object impacting at 3 km/sec delivers kinetic energy equal to its mass in TNT. A rod of tungsten dropped from orbit travels at three times that velocity. Aliens could destroy our military installations by dropping their trash on our heads.
And if you have vehicles to accelerate that mass it gets much worse; 1 gram of material traveling at 75% c would create an explosion of 11 kilotons. These kinetic weapons would be highly accurate, have extremely variable yields, no radiation, would be undetectable/undeflectable, and would require virtually no manufacturing or preparation from aliens that did not intend to go to war. Any collateral damage and dust blown into the upper atmosphere would be kept to an absolute minimum. And since they wanted to terraform the planet anyway, who cares if some species die off from a few years of impact winter? Assuming they don't have the capability to remove dirt from the air to begin with.
I agree with others that this is awful and I don't see it lasting. Gonna give it another ep or two but I'd rather watch Terra Nova than this crap.
i guess this is what happens when you try to navigate between MMO and TV show.
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this is badly written AND badly acted.
did they already write out mia kirshners character? she was the only one i liked in those 2.5h of less than mediocre television.
on the other hand this seems better than terra nova and watched at least 7 episodes of that crap, so i am going to give it another week or two
Second episode was pretty bad and went about how I expected; pointless town drama with a tiny bit of the overarching threat of the week. The whole cop drama in a fictional setting bit has been over done lately and this setting is darned dull so far.
As someone mentioned Babylon 5 above... does any channel air the reruns at the moment? It would be fun to revisit it and see how its aged.
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