Roku + Plex = beautiful. I stream 1080p movies over my N grade wifi with no problems. Just watched Amazing Spiderman today. It's so freaking easy too.
Anyone have one and how do they work with streaming things off your hard drive... etc.
Looking towards a WDTV so I can just get hulu + and steam pirate bay shit. discuss
Roku + Plex = beautiful. I stream 1080p movies over my N grade wifi with no problems. Just watched Amazing Spiderman today. It's so freaking easy too.
Gotta add Boxee to the thread title. Boxee is king.
I have roku, 2x boxee, old mythtv htpc, googleTV, supergamingPC attached to 60" led, xbox, ps3, new smart LG/Samsung TV with all apps, etc between me and my relatives houses. boxee is king by far, the UI and remote control are far superior to the others. It also natively plays the most video formats (except for my gaming PC of course) and has the best set of apps.
Roku is ok but its shitty at mkv, you have to have plex and stuff on a PC to transcode, whereas boxee can just see it as SMB shares and plays it straight up, even out of RAR files! For 1080p movies, you pretty much need a external USB drive or wired connection, wireless is too slow. At my parents house I have a 1gb (unpowered) USB drive attached to the boxee, and when I visit I bring a 64GB flash drive with a few movies for them to watch, takes a few minutes to copy to the drive. Boxee also works with new downloaded 3D movies (OU or 1/2 SBS format, not full SBS), although subtitles generally don't work.
If all you want is Netflix or amazon VOD, newer TVs come with all that shit built in. My dads samsung even has DNLA and USB support so it could theoretically play plexee served files or a thumbUSB, but the UI is seriously horrible and I'd never see him figuring it out in a million years.
You can get pretty complex with the boxee too if you attach a $100 1-2TB drive, like the drive is shareable on a SMB/linux network so you could setup a wintask or cron job to copy over new torrented files every day at midnight, and remote control into your PC to download torrents into a special Boxee-share folder. For my wife in the bedroom boxee, I copy over her retarded foreign soap opera films every night and she can pick which ones she wants to get next via a torrent RSS feed on her ipad.
I've had a WDTV Live for probably 3 years or more now. Works great, works fine with MKVs, and every file type I've thrown at it. I have it wired though, so I can't comment on how it does wirelessly with streaming 1080p. My only gripe about the WDTV Live is that the remote is tiny and easy to misplace...it's probably about the size of a normal garage door opener remote, or a micro-laptop mouse. Also it's not illuminated, so it's hard to see what buttons you are hitting when watching a movie in the dark.
Oh, and in case you do much Anime watching, I do not believe any of these streamers will play the new 10-bit encodes that are being released or are capable of ever being software upgradeable to make it possible. Got hooked on the Fall Anime Thread so thought I'd check out some of those shows and apparently the anime nerds think 10-bit is the second coming of Jesus and release everything in that now. Anyways, just in case. Never know what people are planning to use it for.
Another thumbs down for the WDTV Live here. It's half effective and getting worse every year. It won't do 10-bit (I also watch a lot of anime) and won't play some of what I throw at it, depending on how it's been packaged.
Best thing I ever did was get a cheap laptop and plug it into the TV.
Thumbs down for the WDTV in any iteration as well.
I did not like Boxee last time I tried it but that was a long time ago. I will try it again next time I get a wild hair up my ass.
Ok so if a person <like myself> only wants Hulu + and to stream most media shit like Movies etc from pirate bay VIA a 1tb external hardrive with the "steaming" capability that needs to be a wireless connection via my router in the other room. Also doesn't care too much about 1080p streaming. Thats why I have a external hardrive maybe I can get a 1080p video from there. PLUS my wife is going to be upset if she doesn't watch her shitty ass shoes for example. "What not to wear" which I can download via a torrent and have them all for her. Basically Im trying to get out of a 160 dollar charter fucking cable bill that I can lower to 45/month + Subscription to Hulu or Netflix or some streaming bullshit.
If anyone understands what im getting at... please help =)
Qnap NAS and a DLNA TV. Samsung sets are pretty amazing in what they offer now and well worth it.
I have a Roku in the bedroom and we love it. Dumped cable/sat a year ago and don't really miss it. The living room is the gaming area. Xbox and ps3 to a decent Sony LCD. The ps3 is just a glorified bluray player.
I've been thinking of doing a media pc in the living room. Have a i5 2500k w a ATI 6950 that never gets used. What would be the best way to start with that?
That PC is more than enough for an HTPC. Get yourself a wireless keyboard/mouse, plug the HDMI output into your TV/AV Receiver, and enjoy your HTPC. Do you want to use it for a DVR or just to play Netflix/Youtube/ripped movies/etc?
Just random movies and such
WDTV is great for one thing, plug and play many formats. It's perfect for me and retard mode usage, doesn't do HD wireless streaming worth a fuck. But there's just way better options out there now if you look, especially for streaming media stuff.
But for me? Torrent whatever I want, throw it on USB stick, plug it in. Plays everything I've thrown at it. I'll upgrade eventually, but had no reason to yet personally.
Not sure how the WDTV Hub thing works though, with the built in hard drive and more streaming options.
If there is any way to have a wired connection for your media PC, do that. Wifi is ok, but you will end up waiting for shit and wifes don't like that, plus remote desktop control is much faster over wired. Wifi will work fine though, just have to plan ahead a little more. As said get a nice wireless remote, you can use a ultraslim keyboard/mouse combo one but for the wife I'd suggest using an iOS or android app, if she has a smartphone. or a ultra simple bluetooth/IR logitech remote.
I'd recomend plex or windows media center as your htpc software. You will want to think carefully about how you "feed" video in, you want to do it as painlessly as possible. Suggest a large enough hard drive on the htpc itself (not your main PC), and a torrent software that supports remote access. Setup RSS feeds from your favorite torrent sites, and use the HTPC frontend, android access, or your main PC to pick and choose which torrents to download, and delete. You really want the torrents to be right on the HTPC itself, copying them back and forth from your main PC gets very tiresome. The HTPC can act as a share as well to feed ps3, roku, boxee, etc to other TVs in the house or to smartphones/tablets/laptops.
Obviously setup your firewall to allow your htpc torrent access, remote torrent sites will see both your main PC and htpc as the same "source" so you can download from both no problems, at least I have so far.
Thanks for the info! Is there are problem with the HTPC being my main pc? The rig mentioned above is my gaming machine but since I haven't played an MMO in a year it just sits. I use my iPad for general browsing and consoles for gaming since the 8 yr old has started getti g into them.
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we ditched cable about 2 years ago, rocking Hulu Plus and Netflix and loving it. we just got amazon prime just for the shipping and discounts, the streaming there doesn't seem to offer anything we want that couldn't already get for free. might be tempted to buy an episode of game of thrones if my 'other' sources aren't available in time come march.
I've got a media center PC. my first one was juts my old gaming system I upgraded. When it finally died, I built one from scratch in a media pc case. sit in the stand under my tv and looks like a receiver. here's a great site for picking how much processing power you need:
if you're building new, the new I3 procs w/ intel 4000 integrated video will do just about anything, so no need for an upgraded video card. toss in 8gb of ram and an ssd and you'll have a quiet and cool system.
the review for the boxee here have been helpful to me, as we're thinking of getting another setup in the bedroom since our main system downstairs is stuck on Dora the Explorer thanks to my 3 year old. I think the Boxee (or something similar in size) would work fine for the bedroom with a decent 40+ LCD. I don't know how well those smart TVs can stream stored movies/shows from our NAS.
for the living room, my wife will sometimes do some simple Office apps and web surfing, so windows OS feels more needed.
assuming a good wireless N connection, can the Boxee box stream 1080p from a NAS ok?
I have a WDTV Live. I just set up a Samba/Window share off my Linux box and play away.
Rocking the Roku and loving it. Also check out Apple TV and firecore + XMBC hub. Ditch cable over a year ago and will never go back.
I really wish I could ditch cable/satellite, as I pretty much don't watch any actual series when they are shown initially anyways(DVR or torrent afterwards), but as a huge sports fan, I just can't do it.
Something crazy like 34 or the 36 college bowl games were on ESPN or its affiliates, even the national title game is on ESPN, and I refuse to download sports after the fact, or watch some low-res stream from a foreign website.
If I could somehow just subscribe to ESPN/Fox sports, I'd ditch everything else easily.
Surprised you can't stream that directly from ESPN/Fox. You'd be surprised how quickly you stop caring about streaming quality when you realize that you aren't getting bent over by the cable/satellite companies anymore.
espn.com does provide espn3 i think if your cable provider supports it, but yeah you won't catch all the sports. You can get a DirecTV sports package that ditches a lot of channels and you get a ton of sports channels, dunno if any cable providers do that.
I almost built myself an HTPC a couple of years ago, but decided to try the Boxee instead. At this point I don't think I'd ever look back, as the Boxee cost less than a pc would have been and it does everything that I could want it to do. I'm sure some day there will be a bigger and better iteration of the Boxee or a competitor, but until then the only thing that would be substantially easier to do with a pc is surfing the web on my TV, which I rarely do. And if I know I'm going to be doing it a lot, I just stream the video from my phone and use the phone to navigate (which is still a lot easier than the Boxee interface). For browsing I do repeatedly (like Direwolf20 Minecraft videos) on my TV, just setting a bookmark at the main page saves 80% of the time I'd have normally spent navigating there, so that's not much of a limiting factor either. Still, if you were going to do a ton of browsing on your TV, then an HTPC probably would be the better choice.
Bunch of BS, but I'm sure it's ESPNs doing more than Time Warners
So what's the best option (not HTPC) for streaming 1080p mkv's from a network share to a TV (and not have to do on the fly encoding)?
My answer would be Boxee. I use it all day long for exactly what you are asking for (well, mainly 720p because I can't see a difference, but if it is freeleech I get 1080p all the time too), and it works perfectly. I use wired though, and people say wireless can't keep up with 1080p, so that might factor into your decision.
I've never used a WD or a Roku either, so I am admittedly biased. However, as I've said many times in the past, I love my Boxee so much that if it broke right now I'd go out and buy another one the same day.
EDIT: Oh, and to reiterate what someone mentioned above, when you download something and realize too late that some faggot didn't unrar it because they were too lazy to unrar the scene release they simply copied, but you're stuck keeping those files intact for awhile because you have to seed for X days or until X ratio...instead of making a copy to unrar, Boxee will stream that 1080p motherfucker right from the rar files, easy as pie. To me, that alone is worth whatever extra cost it has over the other devices.
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I decided on a Boxee box. Hopefully it has all the potential of the hype. I honestly am worried about the remote control- I hate remotes that u have to stand 5 inches away from to control it.
I may try the Boxee, then. My house is wired with cat6, so no worries streaming 1080p. I have Apple Tv's all over the house, so I've been downloading mkv's from newsgroups and converting them to mp4's that I can stream through iTunes. It takes so damn long to convert the huge 1080p files that it has made me look for something that doesn't require doing that.
QNAP 8TB home server + Roku2 + PLEX media center = amazing.
Along those same lines, Synology 5- or 8-bay home server + Boxee = amazing as well. I've never had to set up PLEX anything.
Also seconding the fact that the Boxee remote is super easy to use. It works from anywhere in the room, even if the Boxee is behind the TV.
I hated the Boxxee technology, it was just way too slow. PLEX is the same thing basically but my PC runs it in the background.
Roku + Plex for me as well. Don't have a dedicated box for it yet though.
I don't know how fast it is with a PC, and the Boxee certainly isn't fast in that regard, but if I've just downloaded something and want to watch it right now, I never wait for a scan to pick it up because I already know what it is, I just navigate directly to the file share (I choose "Files" instead of "Shows" for example) and select the directory and then the episode. If it is something I downloaded more than an hour ago, it will show up the way it is supposed to so it isn't a problem.
Unless I'm mistaking what PLEX does?
He might be referring to the boxee interface being laggy, which it is. But I think that's a hardware problem. Couple more iterations of technology and these little boxes will be pretty awesome.
PLEX is just a media server. I'm sure you can do the same thing once your library is scanned. I haven't tried it that way yet though. But yes it put son cover art etc.
I understand, but i'm asking, does the QNAP act as a device that you can install software on (such as the Plex Media Server), or do you have the QNAP attached to a server/machine that runs that software for you?
Are those Qnap or Synology's fast enough to stream 1080p video? I've seen conflicting information. I have a Drobo and it's slow as fuck.
this for a list of NAS's that support Plex installation on the NAS itself) and odds are that you'll have to transcode a video at some point because your client doesn't support an audio format that the MKV is in, you need subtitles for foreign dialogue, etc.
The most common use for QNAP/Synology systems with Plex is the method that Draegan's configured his system as. The NAS only stores the media and a more beefy PC runs Plex Media Server, which fetches the media from the NAS, transcodes it (if necessary), and then sends it on to the client device.
As a side note, I would think that it is theoretically possible to buy crappy enough hard drives that can't transfer data fast enough, but I honestly don't know what the minimum bitrate would have to be or if such hard drives even exist. And I'm quite confident that someone like Wolfen won't be buying drives that shitty anyway, but just thought I'd throw it out there.
well Got my boxee box today. turned it on and it won't leave the grey loading screen haha. fuck my luck ive tried everything even reseting it etc. Not gonna give up though gonna return it and get another one prolly just a screwed up box
Plex library app on roku is ugly as fuck if that matters to you.
It's pretty horrible on Google TV and Android as well. Their dev team is still fairly small given the number of clients they develop the UI for. That said, some of them really need an overhaul. The new Plex web interface shows that they can build nice GUIs, hopefully they'll give some updates in the next few months to the clients they've neglected.
Yeah PLEX on Roku is ugly and shitty (and the web client is pretty nice actually). I always just use the search feature anyway for whatever video I want to find. I use my cell phone/tablet as a remote so I can use a keyboard.
Do any of these combinations work for playing Blu Ray ISOs with full menu support? I have a HTPC that I use windows media center and Arcsoft TotalMedia 5 combined with some other stuff for artwork etc. I absolutely love it. At this point I'd like to be able to stream those ISOs to my bedroom. I have ps3 media server installed on the HTPC to stream to a PS3 in the bedroom currently, but it only works well with MKV files. It won't do ISOs with full menu support. I don't want to convert to MKVs because I like the 1:1 copy with menu support, so that isn't an option. I'd build another HTPC before I'd do that. But if there is a $100 option like roku + plex, I'd take that option for simplicity and cost since it's just a bedroom setup. Does anyone have any experience with this? Thanks in advance.
I know this thread is about streamers, but if anyone is interested in building an HTPC, this site: http://assassinhtpcblog.com/ has any and all information you could ever want. Hardware, software, and setup are all covered. I used the free guides at first, but I got so much out of them that I donated to get the paid guides because I thought he deserved it. I hope it helps someone as much as it did me.
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Never had an issue with the array dropping drives, either. Well once, but the drive was defective. It's also awesome how you can pull out a drive and put in a new larger one, and it automatically resizes the array.
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I've always used http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-charts/view for NAS information. It used to be updated with new tests, but haven't really checked it since I picked up the DNS-323, which has worked fine for the 1080p stuff I've streamed.
Am I correct in assuming that it is basically a Boxee on steroids?
Do they have their own remotes or is it strictly ios/android apps? That would sort of annoy me because I like not having to find my phone to watch shit. (EDIT: Found it, yeah they have a separate remote.)
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I have a boxee and my roommate just picked up a Roku+plex. Good lord the UI is awful. Only showing 5 movies/shows at a time is ridiculous on a 50" or larger TV. There's a post from their devs saying that they use some screen template built in to the roku and they would need to write their own to fit any more titles on to a single screen, but I have no idea what that would take.
That said, the Boxee has been really, really, really disappointing with their lack of support since release. Even though they announced no future updates it doesn't look like it costs any less for some reason.
I dont really use Roku to browse my library. I know what I want, so I just search it out.
On another note, I've had a Raspberry Pi sitting around collecting dust for a few weeks, so I decided to try putting xbmc on it. I followed the tutorial here and have been relatively impressed with the performance. One issue I ran into, however, is the USB port is far too underpowered to supply any heavy load. My 2.5" portable hard drive would bring the voltage down enough to reset the unit (I guess I'm lucky I didn't blow any fuses in the port). As a media streamer, it definitely needed to be overclocked (was stuttering before that), but seemed quite smooth afterwards. The other downside is it doesn't appear that Netflix is available. Hulu apparently is, but it looked like there was more monkeying around than I was really interested in today. All in all, not bad for a $35 computer.
Big bump for this, but I figured I'd share in case anyone else finds this information useful.
My boxee has been acting up a little lately, nothing big but to the point where I figured I might jump the gun and buy a replacement anyway because I cut the cable cord a year ago and I wouldn't have shit to watch if it straight up dies. Did some research, read over this thread again, and made the decision to move up to the Popcorn Hour A400, the latest model. After using it extensively this weekend I'm pretty sure I will be returning it. Here is why (spoilered for length):
TL;DR If you mainly stream local content obtained from newsgroups or torrent sites, or Netflix has to be on it, don't even bother with the Popcorn Hour A-400, just get a Boxee or whatever you prefer instead. It isn't worth the extra money, and is pretty strict about the things you can do with it. Hopefully the return policy isn't a bitch.
If anyone knows of a "super Boxee" that isn't a PCH, or a Dune (really just HTPC for those that don't want to build them), let me know.
Along those lines, what kind of blu-tooth remotes are available for HTPCs? I absolutely refuse to use my phone as a remote because to me that just seems lame. With my old Comcast remote I could flip channels, fast-forward shows, etc. all without looking at the remote. With a phone there aren't any physical buttons so you'd have to look. If I could get a decent BT remote I'd consider going HTPC and installing the Boxee software on it if that is still available. But that even seems like a bit of a waste, I should just buy another fucking Boxee then! Halp!
Have you thought about an android box ? I have something like this (~50$ on ebay) that runs android 4.1 with xbmc on top of it. You also get PlayStore access so it can do much more than a Roku or whatever.
edit : should mention i don't use any streaming service and use it only for torrent playbacks.
Dude, just build a cheap HTPC and use XBMC. XBMC is what Boxee was based on and with a HTPC you can do so much more. As far as remotes go I use a Logitech harmony, best remote ever.
I just use Mobile Mouse Pro (for iPhone in my case, but there is an Android version as well) with a laptop plugged in by HDMI. It's tough to beat that for simplicity. Just move the mouse, double click on what you want to watch. Done. Not quite as elegant as a full remote, but a hell of a lot simpler, and you can type with it too. Works with Linux, too, so cheap HTPCs (like my Chromebox) can use it.
Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm still not sure what my best solution is, but at least I've got some ideas now.
Question, does XBMC have the direct navigating to network shares that Boxee does? Because that's honestly how I watch the majority of my programming anyway.
Cheap HTPC remote that works pretty much out of the box with XBMC
I recently built a NUC machine for XBMC using Windows 8.
It is absolutely great.
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Glad this thread got active again. I am looking to cut the cable at the end of the month and came to Rerolled to see if I could find anything on it. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the Roku + Netflix and PlayOn. For those who have already cut the cable, any advice or pointers you wished you had known? What about PlayOn, anyone here use it? Any other services I should take a look at?
That's pretty much exactly what I want, so if you're up for sharing, either here or via PM, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks!
I use one since all of my media is digital. I don't have a traditional NAS, I have 6TB shared out from my 'gaming' PC. I do 1080p on it and 3D also. I run completely wired for all media players all plugged into gig ports.
I don't think PCPartPicker handles it at all so I will just use amazon.com to give you a price estimate.
Intel NUC itself which is an i3 $290 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0093LINVK/
Crucial m4 64GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT064M4SSD3 $80 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008393M2S/
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz $56 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006EWUOL8/
With this you have a super compact box that can handle anything you throw at it. I just set one up and it runs like a champ, about to build a second one for downstairs to replace the kids Roku box and dump Plex for in the house.
You can go cheaper if you ditch the SSD and boot from a USB thumbstick using Openelec or something like that. You could also split it so you only put one stick of RAM into each box and save $25 there for the second box.
I used Windows 8 myself.
I also ordered an IR dongle from www.flirc.tv that is pretty nice. Purely optional and to be honest I use my iPad with the Constellation app to run XBMC about 99% of the time.
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If I didn't have shows auto-downloaded for me I'd be MUCH less happy with cutting the cord. But since I do, it is practically like having a DVR all over again because I don't have to remember shit (which is an issue as I get older!).
I'm sure someone else can offer some help on the other areas, but that was the biggest factor for me before I finally decided to cut cable.
Awesome, thanks a ton Suineg, you're the man! This is probably exactly what I want. Might hit you up for some details later, but just at first glance this seems pretty fucking easy and perfect.
I may have to look into something slightly different then, as I'd prefer to make use of what I already have. I love that form factor though. Problem is there are a million different sites and recommendations, and not a single one is exactly what I want. I'll try to piece some stuff together perhaps and see what people think. I feel this would be a more appropriate place than the Desktop thread so hopefully people don't mind.
after reading this thread i got the intel NUC, crucial 64gb msata, 8gb ram, centrino N/bluetooth, logitech bluetooth keyboard. got the hdhomerun prime, going to through my cablecard into it and see how it goes. will post here this weekend once i figure it out!
I also went ahead and got the NUC, msata, and 8GB ram. That flirc dongle is out of stock for at least 6 weeks, so I'm not sure what I am going to do for a remote. I might buy that centrino card bho listed and re-use my PS3 remote...but I do have a bunch of random IR remotes sitting around doing nothing too, so we'll see. I can always use my phone/tablet or even a mouse while I figure it out. I sort of prefer the feel of most of the nice IR remotes (the button layouts that is), but if it is going to be annoying to aim like the PCH one is I'll want to go bluetooth.
centrino card http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 $22.51
bluetooth keyboard http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 $34.99
i think ill like this setup as i currently use a logitech revue and actually really like the whole keyboard-as-a-remote concept.
Found one that is highly recommended actually. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Supposedly it is highly customizable (not sure what I'd customize to be honest, but for this price I could shove it up my ass and not feel I wasted money) and the buttons look fairly conveniently placed, so going to give it a try. I still reserve the right to switch to bluetooth though!
My iPad just sits in the tray I use for my remote controls and I just pick it up and pause things. Yes it would be faster with a physical remote but I like being able to browse my entire library from my iPad while I am waiting for the current episode to end and just add the next TV show to the queue.
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Remote control differences aside, as I sit here bored at work reading shit, did you just use the stock XBMC install, or did you use any custom stuff? I've never touched XBMC itself (I realize Boxee was built on it, but I didn't have to install it) and really have no clue what it is going to be like. I also saw that I can install the (old and no longer supported) Boxee software itself, but I'm going to avoid that since I'll want to be able to stay up to date.
PLEX is more suited towards people that have multiple devices and do a lot of streaming from the internet, from what I understand. I do the vast majority of my streaming from downloaded content on a NAS, with only one HTPC accessing it currently, so it seems like I wouldn't use most of the features that make PLEX desirable. Does that seem like an accurate assessment?
If others are using XBMC I'd love to hear about or even see what add-ons, skins, etc. you guys are using.
I slapped a skin or two on it but other than that, stock. You just install it, point it to your media, make some minor changes to the settings so that you get good video, and that's it.
PLEX I use in my house because the kids use a Roku downstairs and have it for when I am mobile. When I get some funding together a second NUC will go down there.
If you have the one HTPC then use XBMC. I have PLEX Media Server on the same PC as all my media and it doesn't effect the XBMC HTPC at all.
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I use the Aeon Nox skin:
But it might be easier for you to learn the default skin before you get into the more custom ones. Nox is pretty simple though if you use the default settings.
I just got everything but the mSATA delivered to me at work today. Which sucks, because I paid for 2 day shipping on the drive and it still hasn't shipped yet according to tracking. I specifically wanted it before the weekend. It *might* show up tomorrow, but they'd have to overnight it.
Just reaffirms by belief that I should never buy something that doesn't use Prime shipping unless I don't care when it shows up.
Agree on Prime snob. In face, I'd say the only reason I went ahead and pulled the trigger on ordering was because of Prime and it'd be here by today. Otherwise the weekend would have come and gone and my impulse would have gone away.
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