Sorkin's big about gun control, so I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of that with how the year went.
Kind of early for a thread about this, but I'm just curious how far you guys think the next season will go. 2012 was definitely full of material that can be newsworthy episodes. I'm really looking forward to this returning.
Sorkin's big about gun control, so I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of that with how the year went.
I really hope they do a lot on Libya/Syria. I don't have high hopes. I expect that will wait for another season.
I didn't mind the love triangle bit, but they overplayed it hard. It, and some other elements, should have been sub-themes that flavored more important stuff. Reverse the emphasis on the love triangle and the office politics that could cost Will McAvoy his job, and it would have been a lot better.
I actually thought Olivia Munn did well. The role didn't ask a whole lot, but she delivered on it and I liked her character. Her being BFFs with the producer overnight was implausible, but that's just shit writing.
You might try some episodes of The Hour to tide you over until this returns. It's similar, but british and set in the 50s rather than yesterday. If you want to see some more Sorkin try the aborted Studio 60 which had similar failings to The Newsroom.
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If you miss the Newsroom and haven't watched the West Wing, do it while you wait. All 7 seasons are now streaming on Amazon Instant (free if you have Prime).
When did the last season end relative to current events? I don't think Sorkin wants to get too close to the current news cycle otherwise he'll have to create more manufactured storylines which then makes the Newsroom just like any other drama on television.
yanked from wikiThere, he learns that an elderly Tennessee resident will not be able to vote because of recently passed voter ID laws in 33 states; this is then the main story when he returns to News Night
Sloan tries to raise Congress' intransigence on the debt ceiling to a more prominent position in the news
I think Season 2 will cover the primaries and the 2012 Election.
Season 3 will start with Newtown.
Watch West Wing, at least until s4 for sure. Not sure if I'll watch this, though--the last 4 episodes were really fucking painful, like bad, bad rom-com shit.
i can't really pinpoint it, but something about this show rubs me the wrong way. a lot of it comes off as "cutesy" and most of the characters' reactions are unrealistic.
The romcom parts are fucking awful, and the rest is pretty good.
The problem is not that the rom-com elements are bad (in fact Alison Pill and Emily Mortimer playing manic/clumsy is very amusing), the problem is that there is a pretty broad offer for rom-com on TV and a very narrow one for media/politics fiction, so, in The Newsroom, every minute spent on rom-com feels like we are getting saw dust instead of gold dust.
Some US critics called it "The Left Wing" because it often depicts an idealistic government where President legislature is democrat while congress is republican (with some "nice" bipartisan stuff hehe). In my opinion (I'm from Europe) The West Wing should be viewed as a political drama rather than some general democrat agenda biopic. As a guy who has to wikipedia like a mad cunt when watching House of Cards, TTW is a great show because it shows you (with a bias) how US politics work, drama wise. Most of the time it's pleasant, sometimes it's bad (republicans depicted as villains) but overall it's a solid tv show. Though you have to know Rob Lowe (Sam Seaborn in the show, one of the best characters) left the show on s4 (mostly because his character wasn't going anywhere, as well as his salary), as well as Sorkin, the show's creator, because he basically wanted to kill the show while the producers wanted to keep it alive (these are rumours, it's most likely making a primetime tv show with huge production didn't fit everyone's agenda at some point).
The rom-com element is The Walking Dead-level of terrible. I'll watch this season. Some of the dialogue and writing is quite good, but I really dislike the know-it-all hindsight analysis. That's said despite the show's political leanings being similar to my own. I can only imagine how someone markedly conservative might feel.
The show might be good once Sorkin leaves it. Like West Wing.
Good premise, great potential, but way too much Sorkin. Somebody needs to script approval his ass. He writes great lines and comes up with some good scene ideas, but the rest of it -- I don't think he's really interested in. And I think that's why his ideology is so bald and unexamined. It's all an excuse to get 2 archetypes in a room and throw clever quips at each other.
As everyone knows the test audience apparently pretty much stood up and dropped their pants for a wank when Sheen appeared and did his "Fuck you religious fools!" speech so bam, instant show retool. Sorkin "left" on the point of being fired as he was nose deep into his cocaine habit at that point and had completely lost any coherence. Lowe left in season 4 as from the point Sheen was made the main man they also started giving Josh's character more of the stories Lowe was expecting. The rest of the cast were also pissed that allegedly Lowe was making way more than them but it turned out years later they had already passed him after their first salary hike never mind the second.
It was amusing to see that it wasn't until Sorkin left that the Republicans got anyone that wasn't a cartoon villain. The show finishing when it did was always the best time to go out (despite the Fringe alternate universe making it to at least season eleven) with Sheen leaving office.
Comparing the end of the show to the start is amusing in a different way, by the end point it appears the West Wing is being run by CJ and Will with everyone else having left and none of their characters ever being replaced during Season 6 & 7. Their job role simply disappears when they do!
As for the Newsroom, I'll watch it but mostly because I'll be rooting for the Sasquatch news item to finally get shown!
I loved the armchair critics shouting about how fucking stupid the show was in depicting a newsroom early in season one, how wrong they were, it would never happen blah blah blah until Dan Rather was interviewed and said it was almost exactly right
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Nobody wanted to see El Presidente Spico Grande. Nobody wanted to see that.
I would have watched a less grandiose spin-off with Spencer (the old man, I seem to remember that was his name. It's been a while) though. It's too bad about that.
And about the Dan Rather thing -- there's where Sorkin did his research to begin with. So that's amazingly circular. Maybe that echo-chamber bullshit is part of why Rather decided to embark into non-satirical "Truthiness".
I don't watch this show, but I hope this season provides more content for these sorkinism videos.
Take out the know-it-all hindsight though, and you are left with only the bad rom-com elements and how every woman on the show is a blithering idiot (even though we are constantly TOLD and not SHOWN that they are smart). So I really don't see how anyone can possibly stomach this show.
This show is terrible but I like to hate watch it.
Mentioning it in the same sentence as West Wing in insulting.
There wasn't any hindsight bias that I recall about the debt ceiling, the tea party, the Casey Anthony trial... do you have examples other than the oil spill that I'm missing here?
I don't think women mess up any more than the men in the show. Heck, Will's dating experiences have a whole story arc. Clearly telling your date how everything she believes is wrong doesn't portray him as a brilliant intellectual outwitting them -- he gets drinks thrown in his face. There are a bunch of shows where men are blathering morons and women don't make mistakes (as Bane points out), which fails to attract any criticism of sexism. In the real world, both men and women make moronic mistakes and deal with them. I've seen the same comment about the West Wing and it's beyond me how anyone could see CJ or Donna and think of them as pushovers.how every woman on the show is a blithering idiot (even though we are constantly TOLD and not SHOWN that they are smart).
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S2E1 wasn't too bad to be completely honest. I can't stand the Jim/Pam love story so maybe I just liked this one because that stuff was at a minimum.
I had a lot of laughs watching the premier.
Side note - holy fuck Alison Pill has never looked worse.
For some reason I really love the Waterson/Munn interactions "When we get some real HR I'm going to dance on your grave." and his later "No that was your one comeback and you blew it"
Can see some sperg outrage at Neil helping OccupyWallStreet happen further down the line. I don't really care about the realism tbh, I just find it an interesting show BUT the Jim/Pam romance angle looks like it's going to fire up again
Can't wait until Jim meets Karen while out on the road away from the office!
Not to be a contrarian, but it opened with a large yawn from me. It seemed like a not particularly compelling episode broken up to pieces and rearranged in a manner to appear more interesting than it actually was. I suppose the trap with the series using recent events is that it can't possibly compare to the coverage or depth already given to the topics. The only recourse would be, seemingly, to take on the issues in a unique manner while, perhaps, offering insights that have not already been brought to light. The show fails in that regard. The romantic comedy elements are more tragic or melodramatic than anything else. I'm left with the somewhat amusing repartee between some of the characters.
It was alright. It's hard to tell where anything is at with one episode. I think I preferred Sports Night, which had most of the office elements with virtually none of the political angle. It's like the part I like most about Mad Men is when they're actually doing ad work at the office. The period society stuff when the characters go home is ~meh. I'm thankful this show isn't as bad as Mad Men in that regard, but it's hard to get fired up about actual news stories that already happened here in reality. They should just make shit up so we don't have to see Sorkin revise history to be more poetic every episode.
Yeah, this show would be vastly better if they played off political storylines instead of trying to follow actual history with 100% hindsight. A "News Night" set up much like Sports Night would be great. I loved Sports Night.
The headline was more entertaining than the article, but I am sufficiently amused. It hadn't occurred to me, and I am not looking forward to that. All the more reason for the newsroom to embrace an alternate reality.
Alison Phil looks like a burn victim
That's really why the bf left, not because of youtube
I am not sure what your issue is... I'll blame my SD torrent.
I can't get past her beady little eyes. She looks like a mutant.
I liked the first episode of the show. It's a minor gripe, and really more of a gripe about Sorkins writing than this specific show, but a lot of the time the super fast, rapid-fire dialogue seems very disingenuine. It makes sense in a situation like the production room where they were having to correct mistakes on the fly during a live TV broadcast, but in conversations between 3 or more people, a lot of the little quips, 1-liners, and combacks that people insert into the conversation are just a little too perfect to be happening that fast. Nobody can realistically fire back that many sarcastic comebacks in that short of an amount of time, it just doesn't feel real. It's a little too smart for it's own good at times, it feels forced occasionally.
Yea, I try not to get caught up in my unbelief. The dialogue is much more normal in Kevin Smith's movies, but he has said that, IRL, he and his friends do not speak nearly as well as his characters, who are casual gods of debate.
I was on the fence about whether to watch this season until I saw the super smarmy, self important commercials on HBO leading up to the show. The spots before and after Game of Thrones convinced me not to watch the show.
I'm a simple creature. As long as Munn is in the cast I'll continue to watch it.
Ragefire - Snatty / Vlett
Tunare - Sethlen / Ryoh
Vulak - Snatty / Terran
Stormrage - Vlett (RIP WoW)
Balmung - Vlett Byrn
Trakanon - Vlett
Sorkin has a desperate need to prove how clever he is to the world. And he is clever.
The damn thing about it is that he would be REALLY clever if he had even just a little bit of self-restraint.
I'm not aware of too many addicts known for their self-restraint.
Given what else is on TV most of the time, I'm really happy to have a show that goes with smart dialogue.
The West Wing was pretty much the same in that regard. The people in government are neither that idealistic, nor that eloquent, competent, or motivated. But who wants to watch a show about some average government employees?
These shows are portrayals of what a newsroom (or a white house) should be like. I don't think anyone is delusional enough to think that things actually are that way.
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Pretty much agree with Soriak. It's not a bad show, especially considering what is on t.v. these days.
Finally watched S2 premiere, it liked it a lot mostly because of the flashback and technical setups. I totally agree with Soriak's view, these shows shouldn't be watched as being 100% realistic, they're merely a take about how some things work / should work, from a Sorkin's (democrat) point of view of course. Though, I still hate Mackensie's character, mostly because while being english she cultures that awful 1950-like transatlantic pedantic accent out of fucking nowhere. The dialogues are ravelous (nerd Munn against nerd necktie) and some plotlines are interesting (EP going to Nashua following a boring campaign, new EP on site, Alison Pill in Africa, etc). This summer is about Breaking Bad and The Newsroom, and I'm okay with this !
This show has a LOT of dialogue. That's about the best thing I can actually say about it.
I like the story and the characters. It is a critique of the current 'news' we are offered every day from CNN, Fox, et al. In a better world we would still have good people fighting to put real stories out there instead of fighting for advertising dollars and trying to appease whichever asshole is in charge.
I get distracted by Mac's floppy head movements and how much the blonde chick's scrunched up face looks like the predator.
The entire Romney campaign trail story is bullshit.
Hallie looks like she's a friend of mine's twin... maybe that's why I like the campaign trail story.
I'm puzzled by the twatter stuff that ended the show if the story they are basing it on turned out to be a pack of lies. The tweets at the end suggested their version happened? Even at his worst level of cocaineSorkin he wouldn't try and get away with a massive hoax type storyline surely?
The bus story really is the pits.
I wonder if they are being set up by Reese... they've made it pretty clear that the News division doesn't account for much of the network's profits. Plus, Reese got screwed over when he was uninvited from the congressional meeting. He seems like just the type of character who would care about getting his revenge.
Alex, I believe you are wrong. Isn't the only part that happens in the future the chats with the lawyer?
Yeah, that was a sequence showing the consequences of last season's American Taliban comments. It was mentioned during their meeting with him this past episode too.
yeah, the reason reese get kicked out its because of the event happened in the previous season finale where Will call the tea party the american's taliban. Reese specify that to charlie in a sarcastic way during lunch with his mother and charlie. That is also why charlie take out will from 9/11 anniversary broadcast.
Ahhh, gotcha. Maybe the Twitter stuff just has to do with a totally unrelated event? I don't know, it could be a setup. But Reese doesn't seem smart enough to pull that off.
And WTF happened to the recording? Did they accidentally record over it or something? That's bullshit. Everyone in this show is conveniently stupid at the most convenient times.
Anyways, as for the tweets, they had specifically located them to the region the operation took place and the timeframe required so they are definitely connected to what they were looking for. The conveniently timed faxes arriving just as they were shutting it down (oh god, add that to the above list) gives the temp exec producer the ammo he needs to get his story onto the air but right now we have no idea where they are going with it.
God. Don's chair. That was the most eye roll moment for me so far.
I have to go to a special place in order to make it through this show. There are just too many things which are too fucking stupid to make it through with a normal mindset. I was sooo close to shutting it off and deleting my DVR timer after the first 15 minutes of S2E1. I made it through the whole first season but it was just so shocking coming back after not having watched it for a while.
I love these slapstick comedy moments in the show like the chair or Will unable to put his pants on (previous season). It reminds me of Dream On.
As for the tweets my guess is that their were sent then by the guy they interviewed.
It went from stupid to low brow sitcom shit when he fell over the second time.
However, overall I have found this season less eye-rolly, probably entirely because Jim and Alison Pill are separated. This actually makes me less excited to watch the show since it's so much more fun to hate it when it goes off the rails.
It's funny because it's not that far from the truth. People who are absolutely brilliant at what they do are, quite frequently, exceptionally incompetent at things any normally functioning person should figure out.
"We need something to fall out of the sky right into our lap or it's all over"
cocaineSorkin is just plain trolling us now, right? RIGHT? >.<
Thought Gary got tagged when he tripped, and thought loading them into the bus was going to set the stage for a faceless but horrible explosion taking out all the kids (+ Gary for good measure) and a military group or something coming the next morning and finding just Maggie or something. Thought this would have been drug out a couple episodes too.
Hoping the Genoa stuff exceeds my expectations because I kinda hate most of that storyline.
- Deus Ex Machina is still lame, even if you joke about it.
- 'Superhero journalists' is a bit retarded, even when you write the bonding between the kid and Maggie, considering the kid is presented as a relative of the guy in charge of the orphanage.
- The flash back of the kid touching the hair was already heavy handed, but adding the lines that follow? Please!
But I will agree the Africa stuff ended up being a lot better than I feared. After episode one, when all we knew was that she had a traumatic experience in Africa I assumed they would base her story on the journalist that got raped on Tahrir square or something, so I was more than a little worried.
There is so much that I like about Newsroom, last episodes escalating insult-fest towards the OWS lass (especially Olivia Munn, easily the best character on the show) the M*A*S*H callback with the little lad on the bus and Will having a vaguely human moment with the OWS character again later on for example from this week.
It's just the amount of shit you have to sit through to get the nuggets, e.g. the Jim/Meyrl Streeps daughter plotline was terribad but even worse he is now back in the office with crazyMaggie.
This show is definitely better than it was but holy shit people talk too fast.
Well it is not suits bad yet. That show nose dived hard.
Damn you guys can't even enjoy mild humor involved with your quick witted writing? The chair bit I think was hilarious. He's trying to show how hard Don is working to be a legit Producer, but fucks up no matter what he does. It's supposed to have comedic attachments to it.
That said, the recording thing was dumb. That's a cop out.
When fohguild.org is in ashes, then you have my permission to die.
Its already clear that the one who was fired is Jerry Dantana.
I'm sure Sloan is the one sending the faxes.
If I don't get my weekly Sloan Sabbath fix I gets cranky. REALLY cranky.
I don't know, out of nowhere she seems to have some horrible scenes where it's not just the writing fucking it up. The recording bullshit and the deus ex machina with the OWS retard were both fucking awful. I still enjoy watching this show though.
Allison Pill's face scares me sometimes.
Olivia needed a writer that can write for her. She put herself out there in the past, and often became a laughing stock. Glad she found something.
My problem with the Olivia Munn character is that, knowing her personality, Sloan's introverted/socially awkward behavior seems really forced and not well acted. It just doesn't seem believable. I understand that she is supposed to be the absent minded super genius, but it just doesn't always work for me.
Her lines about Kodak stock cracked me up.
Sloan's little moments are great. The long quiet time in the office was terrible.
I disagree, I think the whole episode was great, which is no small feat considering how many storylines were meshed. If we want to nit-pick, you could say being sued for assault is probably more damaging in the eyes of your bosses than a sex tape.
I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't go full retard with the Zimmerman story. At least... not yet.
Yeah. In all honesty as much as I enjoy tearing this show apart for all its dumb moments, I would say I do generally enjoy watching it. The acting is overall plus and season 2 has been much better with there being more story lines outside of Will/Mack and Jim/Pam. I really like Don's character too so this last ep being sort of Sloan centric didn't bother me.
Also, I'm far less annoyed by the made up Genoa arc (based on a true story or not) which was created for the shows purposes as opposed to them cherry picking politically controversial stories and fake reporting on them as the true liberal news mecca should have given 20/20 hindsight and no regard for viewer ratings or pressure from their superiors. I hope we see more stuff like Genoa in the future. It seems way less pretentious.
I'm wondering if that so-called tip from the Navy spy chap is going to turn out to be the red herring that ends up catching them out bigtime.
The Sloan story was what it was, I presumed she figured she could get away with assault as at the trial it would come out why she did it and Mr Topshot Analyst Broker dude would be made to look an even bigger twat. Or Sorkin gives no fucks. Talking of which, I read after watching this weeks episode that the picture thing actually happened to Munn irl?! Presume he asked her really nicely and didn't just say "Here, relive a really shitty part of your past!"
Maggie and Jim still need to be fired into the Sun. Neal used to be an interesting character but he has been shite this season so far. Reduced to telling Will about some shit on Twatter >.<
The Will/Neal/Twitter stuff seems entirely unbelievable. There is no way that Will cares what some random person is saying about him on Twitter. He barely cares what people think about him if they are co-workers, much less a random anonymous internet person.
Will has shown throughout the show to be extremely concerned about what viewers think of him, he just doesn't act like it.
and yeah, Will gives many fucks as to what people think of him.
She says at one point that she lied, so yes there was a denial off-camera before the episode started.
Yeah, said she lied, it's her, and then she admitted there were more.
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