saw this last night. its not bad, though i was a little disappointed by the ending. i know there is some message in this movie. im not really sure what it is exactly though.
The whole point of the story was that it supposedly proved the existence of God. So the message I took away from that was that the whole thing was a hallucination and the proving there was a god part was god provided him with a way to cope with the circumstances through the hallucination. Pretty movie to watch but wasn't expecting the religiousness at all. Went with my brother and nephew, who is 5, expecting it to be more of a kid's movie based on the trailers. Was not for kids at all. He enjoyed it once it got to the animals but that was well into the movie.
Last edited by Edaw; 12-31-2012 at 05:14 PM.
a little bit of a heavy message for children, i guess the trailer should have been cleaer on what kind of film this was.
I feel the tiger leaving without looking back was him coming back to reality and he didn't want to leave it.
Well, the book (of course) lays it out better, but the movie actually wasn't too bad an interpretation of the book, just the spiritual message is lost.
In the book, it's pretty clear that the story with the animals, lemur island, etc. is what really happened. The problem is, his rescuers had such a hard time believing such an unbelievable, fanciful tale. In the book, they made the point to tell Pi that despite his story, they could not find the tiger in the woods, and that there had been no evidence that anyone had come across a tiger.....so they were basically incredulous.
It became obvious to Pi at some point that they were not believing his story, because he had no hard evidence to back up his claims. So he comes up with another story, instead of animals, he substitutes it with people he knew....and his rescuers took that story as the truth because it was more rational and believable.
But in the end, the story, and the book itself, is an allegory about faith. There is much more in the book about Pi praying and asking to be rescued, questioning the existence of God, and crazy things happening to answer his prayers. The book ties into all faiths (Christianity, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, etc.), but I'll focus on Christianity. It's like being a Christian, and having faith that Christ turned water into wine, that he performed all those miracles, and the biggest one being he rose from the dead. There is no way for modern Christians to prove that any of this ever happened, so they rely on their faith, just like Pi. The rescuers are like agnostics or other secular people, who do not believe God exists because there is no evidence he does. The book makes it more clear that his rescuers were attacking him verbally and mentally, basically challenging his beliefs (his entire story)....no different than FoH's old religion thread.
And yes, this is not a movie for children, of course they market it to make it more appealing to the masses.....I would say in the future anytime a movie is based on a book, do a quick wiki or google search to see what the book was about, because anyone whose read the book could tell you the subject matter is very heavy.
Last edited by Izuldan; 12-31-2012 at 08:40 PM.
I saw this a few weeks ago, thought it was excellent. I'm glad that Izuldan can compare it to the book, since I haven't read it, but I agree with a lot of what he said. I did believe that the "tiger story" was real, but the portion where he tells the "real story" was included to instill doubt on the viewer. It actually feels pretty meta to me, Pi was a man of faith and his story requires you to just have faith in it, no matter how unrealistic it may sound. People who are generally "logical thinkers" will probably see Pi's reaction to the alternate story as well as consider it to be much more believable, and believe that that is the true story. I'm not sure if there's a correct choice (unless the book spells it out clearly).
So whether you believe in the tiger story or the alternate story, you're still kinda participating in the whole "idea" of the movie. It doesn't matter which story is supposed to be true to make its point.
Hmm. You guys are making me doubt my interpretation of the message. I need to see the last scene again, but I thought they definitively answered that the whole story was made up and the dude made a sort of confession to the journalist. I had taken a little something when I watched this, so I may be totally wrong.
its all up to interpretation i guess. im going with the tiger story being fantasy because nothing else in the movie was fantastical . shit went haywire soon as Pi wakes up with a boat full of zoo animals. the fucking tiger just flew out of nowhere. i mean where the fuck did he leap from? the air?
It really is an excellent book, not too long either, I'm going to spoiler the more in-depth summary of the book, in case some of you choose to read it:
Last edited by Izuldan; 01-01-2013 at 01:54 AM.
Fuck me the amount of people not really getting what the movie was actually about is astonishing, the book leaves a lot more open but the movie basically smashes you over the head with the answer.
The movie is about religion and the reasons people choose to believe, or possibly a good reason why people should believe.
Pi's story with the animals is religion, it is a beautiful story full of wonder, it isn't real.
Pi's real story is sad and terrible, it is real life.
In life you get the choice, you get to decide whether or not to believe the sad and terrible truth or the beautiful story full of wonder, at the end of the day it makes no difference but it gives religion a valid reason to exist, it is an explanation for religion. it's why he says "I have a story that will make you believe in god". He's basically saying religion is a much nicer thought than reality.
He never really explains the island in the book but from watching the movie I take it he just landed on an island, he had the ability to survive on the island but it was uninhabited and he would eventually have just died there, that's why in his story he made the island cannibalistic, it's the same thing but the story island is more wondrous.
*Edit* At the end of the movie the writer says "Oh so your mother was the orangutan and the chef was the hyena, blah blah blah" to which he nods which is a bit of a ruiner, they don't do that in the book and it's sort of left up for interpretation. It's more difficult I suppose because in the book everything that happens with the animals is explained whereas in the movie you might miss things like the zebra having a broken leg.
Last edited by Devlin; 01-09-2013 at 03:31 AM.
I just saw this today it seemed like it took so long until the ending, maybe its just me.
Draegan the betrayer, selling us out since 2016!
the movie is technically sound and flawlessly executed, and has no soul whatsoever.
This movie was sad as hell. Went in expecting cutesy tiger bonding, came out heartbroken.
Lots of people know this, but I still think it's funny. The "inspiration" for the 'Life of Pi' was a book written in 1981 called 'Max and the Cats'. The two books share some shockingly similar elements. Instead of a tiger it was a jaguar, and instead of some Indian, polytheist, zookeeper's apprentice, named after a swimming pool; it was a poly-amorous, Jewish man escaping Nazi Germany. Both are shipwrecked at sea and must survive on the open ocean with their animal companions. And both stories end with the main character waking up, not knowing what happened to the animals, being questioned by his rescuers and having doubt cast on the veracity of the events that were depicted.
I am thinking about writing a book now. It will be the latest entry in the "Ethnic nautical survival and endangered animal, surrealism" genre. The main character will be Hispanic. He will be stranded in the middle of a community swimming pool; Adrift on a capsized ice cream truck with a Lion, a warthog and a meerkat. The story will follow his harrowing journey over the course of an afternoon. He is finally rescued, after having resorted to cannibalism, when someone goes and gets a ladder.
At the end of the story, once finished recanting his tale to the police, the man simply ends with the cryptic statement,"Everything melts man, Everything melts."
A war is coming, I've seen it in my dreams. Fires sweeping over the Earth, bodies in the streets, cities turned to dust... retaliation.
Hollywood is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until everything you love is dead.
Originally Posted by IzuldanIt's interesting that two people who ostensibly read the book came away with wildly different interpretations. I guess the book/movie is commendable for achieving that.Originally Posted by Devlin
Having watched the movie and not read the book, I'm with Devlin. The tiger is all bullshit or at best metaphorical and Pi is just choosing to believe in a fantasy to escape truth and uses it as an allegory toward faith.
Honestly if the meerkat island wasn't in the movie I'd be much more likely to side with Izuldan. The island thing really jumped the fantasy shark.
With or without the island thing, the scene where he explains it to the writer makes it pretty clear that the real story is a very tragic one, and so he prefers the animal version, which obviously isn't real.
Friends and family read the book first as well and came to the same 'the animals aren't real' conclusion. Izuld is the only person I know who has read the book or seen the movie who thinks that
I thought the movie was great (way better than Argo) and I think it is interesting reading these comments.
The reason the movie was cleverly done is because people are disagreeing here.
This is a story about why people do not believe in religions. It is easier to not have faith in miracles, or gods, or God sending his son down to earth in sacrifice to the greater good. This is why people are skeptical (like the Japanese company men) - if they cannot see and touch something, they will not believe it.
This is a story about why people believe in religions. Fantastic stories are addictive and people want to believe in more than base human emotion and instinct (like the author and the writer of the report). Religion fills that void for people and that is why religions continue to exist.
I initially read it as number 2 and, as a christian, was a little disappointed at first. After sleeping on it, viewpoint 1 came to me and I gained a lot of respect for the subtlety of the story.
this is one of those movies that you cant grasp how you truly feel about it until some time after you have seen it. i posted right after watching it and at first i was like its ok. a little slow, but as the weeks go by i now find that its a wonderful film and stirs emotions and even can give you faith in a greater power. i simply loved it. this was best picture as far as i was concerned. argo was a good watch but i dont give a fuck about it 2 days after having seen it.
Last edited by Astr0Chuk; 03-05-2013 at 12:44 AM.
Also worth noting that the Pi does believe in God. . .many of them in fact. If he made up the story, one could argue that it would have separated him from his spirituality. Also worth noting that the last sentence could be a load of hooie.
What bothers me about the portrayal of Pi and faith is that I don't know of any truly religious people who think that faith and religion is just fantasy. There's a lot of people who just view it as a part of their culture and just go along with it, but saying it's just fantasy and that you believe seems mutually exclusive exclusive.
Could be he was traumatized by what really happened to his family and purposefully blocked it and decided he wanted to believe his tiger story which is a more pleasant memory. The fact he was religious doesnt mean he was mocking belief. Just that the truth really hurts and he wasnt ready to accept until the japanese questioned his story.
im not religious, but the symbolism is pretty heavily religious. it discusses how believing in something which may or may not be true isnt really a bad thing to believe because it comforts you. i hear people all the time who have lost a loved one say. well they are in a better place now. or well they are looking down on us smiling. i dont roll my eyes and think of them as dumbasses because i know what they are saying is BS. if it comforts them to say their loved one is in a better place im glad.
If high profile religious people weren't such utter cunts then it wouldn't be a problem, the problems begin when people with an agenda use religion to further their agendas, which nowadays is pretty much all the time.
Utterly a very beautiful film ever because its based on real story. I love this movie because theme and presenting way was fab. After watched this movie, i believe in god power so much.
in the movie, Pi asks the interviewer if he wants to hear the story that will make him believe in god. my view is that he isnt being literal, rather he was being sarcastic because he wants to tell him an amazing story but also wants to present a riddle with the second one.
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