Id generally advise against shopping online(unless its stuff like packs of underwear/socks).
Wasn't sure if I should put this here or in General.
Anyhow, my New Year's resolution is to improve my fashion sense (i.e., become more interested/improve my wardrobe).
So far all I really go off of is the obvious (like GQ) and things I randomly google for advice. One website that was recommended me is www.trunkclub.com. The concept seems pretty much ideal and awesome for me; however, I live overseas with a German and APO address and they're only in the U.S. currently.
Any good fashion tips (ideally sources of good info) would be fantastic! Fashion is broad; the type of stuff/general price range would be similar to Trunk Club.
*Edit: Oh, and for me personally I should add that it is hard as hell for me to shop (especially in an actual store vs. online). I'm 6'5" and only weigh ~205. Pretty much long everything, the definition of "slim fit" :P What I have that fits me perfectly is all hand tailored. I've had decent success at places like Banana Republic's online Tall/Long section. Stuff I've got from there thus far has fit me quite well with the "Large Tall" size (Waist: 34-35", Chest: 41-44", Neck: 16-16 1/2", Sleeve: 36 1/2" and 34/34 on waist/inseam for pants). So if anyone knows of other retailers that have similar sizes, always love that info too!
Last edited by Brikker; 12-28-2012 at 03:18 AM.
Id generally advise against shopping online(unless its stuff like packs of underwear/socks).
So for everyday and date night (with the fiancee) clothes where can I go that will have good advisers who will help me pick stuff? I am hopeless choosing clothing off the shelf but have had luck with advisers in my business clothes (suits/etc).
General tips of fashion that is in and will most likely always be in:
1) Wear slim fit (European style). If you're unsure what this is, go try on Hugo Boss clothes. Most of their outfits are slim fit.
2) If you don't have an ass, don't wear skinny jeans. They make your ass look even more flat than it already is.
3) Read magazines that are fashion oriented to help you figure out what looks good -- GQ is a great way.
Generally, all jeans are great as long as you have the right wash (color). Unless you wear carpenter jeans. No one wears carpenter jeans. Ever. My preference of jeans are bootcut and straight. To test if it fits, try on the jeans and sit down; if you are uncomfortable sitting down, don't get that waist size. A great tip for jeans that shrink while cleaning them is to put them on and then pull the waistbands out to stretch them.
Shoes are a whole 'nother stuff -- pointed boots and dress shoes are in. Don't wear the squared dress shoes. Big no no (think carpenter jeans).
GnCGOD: I would suggest Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom. Great thing about any of these higher end stores is that it's OK to try shit on and not buy it (especially Neiman Marcus). If you like it, don't buy it and look for a similar version in a cheaper store like Nordstrom Rack.
Great store for denim: Diesel and Levi's (and Aeropostale!)
Great store for tops: Bloomingdales and Hugo Boss
Great store for tips: Bloomingdales, Hugo Boss, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom
Another thing is what you want to try and aim for is something that looks good with a trait of YOU. My partner has blue eyes so I bought him a couple of blue things to match it and it looks great. Do this with sunglasses, shoes, and tops.
My biggest fashion problem is finding jeans that fit well. While I'm not fat, my widest point is my hips/thighs so while a size 34 or 36 pair of jeans might fit no problem around my waist, they're super tight in the hips and thighs. This results in having to go up a size, which makes the waist really baggy and gives the impression of ill-fitting jeans. I've looked everywhere for a style/brand that helps with this and haven't found anything. It seems like something that requires a tailor to customize jeans.
If you reddit then /r/malefashionadvice will be insightful and will give you ideas. Since I've been following, my wardrobe has changed significantly with the exception of my comfy lounge clothes which I doubt I'll budge from.
1) If you wear undershirts, go for v-necks instead of crew neck.
2) Stop wearing white socks unless you're at the gym or doing lawn work. I wear Docker's Sport Crew Socks or other comfy dress socks all the damn time now. My girlfriend loves them and constantly steals pairs out of the drawer. I'll pick them up if it's buy one get another half off. The Docker's are incredibly warm and soft and fit snug on the foot without sliding down your leg. Good dress socks last longer and do not get funky and lose their softness after a while like cheap white socks do. Easiest way of tossing some color or add some zing to your outfit is in your socks so have fun with it.
3) Match your belt color with your shoe color.
4) Try some visible layering with a dress shirt/sweater/vest in the colder months (if you can).
Easiest way to look good is to be tailored. Not all fits of shirts will look good on everyone right out off the rack so a little altering goes a long way if you're inbetween sizes.
I started on this path around 1 - 2 months ago with the same goal. Though I have a much different body type 5'9" 280 lbs so results may vary. Starting from funny t-shirts and jeans to 'grown up' apparel was the goal. I would agree with attempting the layering, nice sweaters that you can wear over a dress shirt are great.
A site I haven't gotten much use out of but does have clothing for slim gentlemen is Frank & Oak. They have a rotating catalog each month I believe so it can help cycle through some interesting choices.
I work all the time so I have gotten a lot of mileage out of Men's Warehouse. They have nice business casual for plus size guys. Working into the slacks, shirts, bow ties, and such at the moment. Once I have that filled out a bit more going the vest / sweater route next.
Definitely seconding non-white socks. Start with normal colors and move on to crazy socks if that is your bag. My mother and wife started me on the crazy sock path this Christmas.
I am not a fan of v-necks personally. I am a fairly hairy guy and people don't need to see that.
I'll just post links to places I shop from since that's pretty easy.
www.ctshirts.com - These compare favorably to my much more expensive shirts and I enjoy the shirt options
www.jackedthreads.com - pretty inexpensive street wear
www.gilt.com - most everyone knows what they have on here
www.ruelala.com - I've grabbed some suits and shoes off of here but you really have to know what you are looking for
www.myhabit.com - Amazon's version of gilt
www.hautelook.com - Nordstrom's version of gilt
www.lyst.com - no discounts here, but it's sort of like twitter or pintrest for clothing
That's all I have for the moment. One thing that I would watch out for is brands or lines made specifically for discount sites. You can often get really good discounts, but you have to know what you are buying. For example Incotex has another line called Incotex Ivory which isn't the same quality as their normal line, but is often sold on Gilt and MyHabit. The same goes for Antonio Maurizi. I know of no place that sells these shoes other than the online shops. I however own a pair of their double monk straps because I really like the way they look.
For shoes if you live in or near a major city you can often get good deals at DSW.
Last edited by prescient63; 12-29-2012 at 01:24 AM.
Styleforum.net has a lot of great information. They tend to focus on very high end, but if you ignore this fact you can still learn a lot there.
Saks Fifth Avenue outlet and Nordstrom Rack have great options for shoes at reasonable prices. Nordstrom itself has two big sales a year, one right now (directly after christmas) and another in the summer. There is also an anniversary sale for card-holders which is better than either. Brooks Brothers has a blowout sale every June which is excellent if you like how they fit; I am a bit slim and they fit me like a fucking bag.
Hugo Boss recommendation is a great one. Their slim fit is very well tailored off the rack. DKNY and CK Steel are also well tailored if you're on the slimmer side; they're a bit lower quality than boss though.
When you buy a dress shirt, here are what the cuts mean:
Regular/Classic - Huge - meant to hide being 30-40+ pounds overweight or just having a very very stout frame
Trim/Sharp/Tailored - Much Slimmer than classic; can still be 15-20 pounds over weight and this will look good
Slim - Tiny bit slimmer than trim. 10-15 pounds over weight still OK here.
Extra Slim - Made for exceptionally skinny folks; 6ft 130 pound types. Honestly I think this cut pushes it a bit.
The above sizes are rough and based on popular brands. Note that for the most part, expensive dress shirts (150-200+ retail) will generally be made in Italy and sort of imply some sort of slim/tailored fit, even though it may not explicitly state so. I have noticed high end English dress shirts, Hickey Freeman etc, are still pretty boxy despite their quality/price. I also consider Brooks Brothers and David Donahue slim fits to fit like shit, so try them on before buying.
For dress shoes, lot of differing opinions here. It's worth noting that cap-toe oxfords are the gold standard super conservative shoe and should be worn in conservative interviews etc.
Points to note: Lacing; Comes to point at front; Stitching by toes, ie 'Cap-Toe'
Loafer - Much more casual than above shoe. Good for business casual or night out.
Note - Slip on
In terms of dress shirt fit, these are the areas that I think are important to look at when you're at the mirror:
1. Shoulders - the sleeve should ideally begin directly at the point where your shoulder starts to fall. The further past this point you accept the cut to fall, the sloppier you will look.
2. Fabric coming off upper arms - If you pinch this to your arm, this shouldn't really be more than two inches or so on either side of the upper arm.
3. Fabric off mid-waist - Inch and a half to two inches.
4. Fabric by belt - Depending on cut, you will probably have to tuck some excess fabric in the small back so that this looks right. If you have to tuck in too much and the fabric is billowing off your lower back by like 6+ inches, get the fucker tailored or don't buy it. If the upper body fits well and this is fucked up, getting a shirt a.) 'darted' or b.) having the sides taken in will probably accomplish what you're looking for.
5. Sleeve should sit about where this guy has it on 5, at the bottom of the thumb. I'd say his sleeve on the other arm look like it's down too far. If the arms a little too long, use the tighter wrist button so that the sleeve doesn't creep down too far. It's usually better to go a bit longer than shorter on the shirt length if you're an in-betweener. A button can solve the 'little too long' problem, but if you put your elbows up at a table, there's nothing you can do about showing 4 inches of wrist if you go too short.
6. Fabric coming under arm pit - This can drape down maybe 2 - 3 inches at most. If you have too little fabric, you won't have enough flexibility in the arm.
Biggest mistakes I see in shirts fitting are shoulder cut being way off and far too much fabric at 2. and 6. The other problem with 6 is that the lower you allow this to go, the further down the shirt is going to fit correctly through the upper chest. If your shirt doesn't fit across your upper chest correctly, you may look like you have man boobs whereas a well fitting shirt will make you look in shape.
In terms of dress pants, few important things to note:
Pleated Dress Pants - The natural dress pants crease going all the way up to the belt line
Flat Front Dress Pants - Natural crease stops at about mid thigh
If you are going to wear a suit, your dress pants should generally be pleated. Pleated dress pants usually have 'cuffs' by the ankles (rolled up fabric on the outside).
If you are going business casual, people generally wear flat front dress pants. These should generally not be cuffed at the ankles.
Wool is gold standard for pants and suit coats. Polyester dress pants are the common and cheaper variety; they look ok but will pill over time.
Cotton is gold standard for dress shirts. Non-Iron dress cotton shirts are essentially cotton dipped in formaldehyde, wrinkles will generally come out if hung. These shirts also tend to not breath as well and can have a bit of a glean to them. I do not recommend any dress shirts with Polyester, tend to look a bit off. Geoffry Beene Sateen etc looks idiotic and cheap, do not wear it.
As far as websites, I've been following:
dappered.com now for over a year. A blog which focuses on affordable men's style and alerts you to current sales (J. Crew, BR, Nordstrom etc.). Has helped me change a lot from a sloppily dressed college student into a (mostly) well dressed third year law student, all while being on a budget.
primemagazine.com A more general blog but also focuses on style for a post-college grad.
One last thing worth mentioning is the impact that shoes have on your casual-wear outfit.
Wearing athletic sneakers all the time, while comfortable, really pigeonholes your ability to be stylish, especially in the winter. There are a number of things that look retarded while wearing athletic sneakers, such as scarves, wool jackets/pea-coats, leather gloves, etc. When you wear athletic shoes out, you pretty much have to either dress like you're going to the gym or you will look like a moron. If you have a nice pair of casual dress shoes, you can actually dress in a manner that makes you look well dressed while in a casual setting; this is essentially impossible in athletic shoes unless you're going for a very certain look.
Slim ties are also in now. I'm not sure for how long, but they're in. Another thing is to never wear banker (REGULAR) blazers/suit jackets. Always, if you can, wear slim fitted.
If you want to look like you have no fashion sense, then ignore this thread?
I bought allen edmonds park avenue last month for my formal dress shoe of adulthood. I've worn them twice so far and they were splendid -- i recommend all poor people go get a pair of fine (american made) shoes to treasure.
I ended up getting a really fucked up size (9E, so much for slim fit) so i'd definitely say try them on in store.
Opposed to what Prova says absolutely do not buy pleated pants with your suits unless you're fat.
prescient is correct. Pleats are not in and have not been in style for almost a decade. Avoid them at all costs.
True regarding pleats. I suppose what I should have said is that you will see pleated pants occasionally accompanying a full suit, but in a stand-alone business casual get-up, they are rarely appropriate. From what I have seen, cuffs on pants are only applicable to pleats.
As recently as last year, I was at a Filene's Basement going out of business sale and they had a suit section where you could find a lot of high quality wool suit pants for very cheap. I would say 80% of these suit pants were pleated, so they are certainly still being produced for suit combos, although whether they are in style is another matter entirely.
The point of emphasis was moreso to underline the difference between the two styles. I'm sure to many readers who have not had to dress up for a living, they may not even notice that the pants that they bought were actually pleated.
Last edited by Prova; 12-29-2012 at 08:02 AM.
I got a slim fit CK dress shirt from Ross, and it's definitely my size, but I find that they have an odd amount of extra material in the bicep and upper pectoral area. Are these shirts designed for buff people with large chests and biceps? The material distribution is a lot different than my other "standard" dress shirts.
I've been wearing the same jeans for decades - Levi 550 relaxed fit. Wife has been trying to dress me up, but it's hard for me to see myself in designer jeans and a v-neck sweater.
Typically wear chinos and a golf shirt (white crew tee underneath) 80% of the time, button down otherwise. Casual attire is usually aforementioned jeans with crew neck pullover/golf shirt/button down untucked and slip on casual shoes.
What does a 6' 200 lb (33/34) 42 yr old wear to be in style?
When I was about 10 years old I used to have these red pleated shorts. Red pleated shorts. They were awesome.
I'm not trexxy. I think Burberry can be cute in some scenarios -- like scarves that don't look like they've been manufactured out of China. But, I am not paying $200+ for a shirt that doesn't look that good and always has the same print. Manly men? No such thing as a "Fashion for manly men" lol. The cheap version is what I said above: try on clothes that look good on you in those high end places and look for cheaper versions at say Walmart/KMart if they have them. Hell, H&M is good, too.
Last edited by Kuriin; 12-30-2012 at 03:48 PM.
My Brooks Brothers suit has pleated pants
still don't feel bad about it though.
Last edited by 001001102; 12-30-2012 at 05:48 PM.
I have way too many punk band shirts
Ties are sort of ebbing out of fashion the last 6 months or so. At the office I see a lot less ties than earlier in the year, if anyone cares about these trends. If you are going to wear a tie, get one that is good quality silk, dont get a blend with a print. I recommend canali, zegna, brooks brothers, hugo boss. Also, try it on and tie it with a half windsor, if you cant get the tail into the keeper the tie is too short.
Another thing that is "in" now is not wearing belts, and instead using those cinch pants on the inside. If you are slim and have good fitting clothes this can look great. If you wear a belt, make sure you get it sized properly, the buckle should rest in the middle hole of the belt, not on either end.
Im a huge fan of the pants splorge is talking about, but have yet to come across any good one for reasonable money. If anyone has any ideas on where to pick some up I'd love to know.
Also ties are perfect items to buy online as you can frequently get high quality ties for more than 1/2 off.
Shirt tucked in + no belt = weird looking. Feels like an incomplete outfit.
Ties out of fashion? What? That's impossibru.
Manly dress should only be relegated to doing "manly" stuff.
For example, I just chainsawed a couple of logs to make some really rustic seats for one of the fire pits outside. Pendleton Shirt, well fit Carharts with a Carhart jacket and flat toed Durango boots. Cowboy hat optional. Make sure your shit is actually used and doesn't just look used or brand new or people like me will laugh at you.
The ladies swooon (and Brokeback Mountain jokes begin).
Also from GQs style guy
The classic Savile Row suit features adjustable side tabs, little belts made of the same fabric as the trousers, on either side of the waistband. They eliminate the need for a belt, and they look better with braces than trousers with belt loops do. Usually, these tabs are found only on bespoke clothing, but they can also be had on made-to-measure clothing from certain manufacturers, including Oxxford, Brioni and Battistoni. Some better men’s stores, such as Barneys New York or Bergdorf Goodman, will create them for you on other brands if you request it. Bergdorf Goodman has them on its own custom line. Incotex offers such slacks without suits in Super 150s wool (212-691-5100); they’re pricey, but you’ll save money on belts and braces.
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Has anyone ordered a shirt from Shirt.Woot recently? My favorite graphic tees were from there, but the last time I ordered was years ago when American Apparel made the shirts. The thing I liked about their shirts (other than the graphics) was that they were long and slim, with narrower sleeves, in contrast to most graphic tees in the USA which are short and wide to accommodate fat people. From their FAQ, the shirts are being made by Woot now, so I'm curious if the style has changed at all.
Just wanted to mention Ecco dress shoes. I've been wearing them for 2 years now and have been extremely impressed. Ultra comfortable and wear very well. I'm retarded and have identical styles in black and brown.
I need driving gloves. Must be very thing and form fitting. Non lined. Looking to stay around 50 bucks. Any recommendations?
I brought up Eccos in the shoe thread on FoH and was flat out ignored, glad someone else knows about how awesome they are.
lol I'll be keeping my belts. That's some dumb fucking shit.
"Cinch" pants? Yeah, maybe if you're 900 fucking pounds.
Then consider me un-fucking trendy.
cashmere will flake off a bit and can rip easier.
most importantly, wear what makes you feel comfortable. if you have to keep pulling your latest fashion pants out of your crotch because it's wedged in there so far your nuts have popped into your belly button....you're not gonna look happy or fasionable. Same goes for slim fit jackets....if the button is hanging on for dear life, they aren't ok i wear suits often, i can really advice spending a few extra bucks on getting them tailored, especially the pants. i am 6'5" 265 pounds, pants are either too wide and short or too long and tight....i don't buy boss or armani suits, but i do have my suits made to fit.
lastly on the belt thing..i wear suspenders when wearing a suit, to me it's comfy...wearing a belt becomes a bit redundant, and i believe it was John Wayne that said...belt and suspenders? how can i trust a guy that doesnt even trust his own pants?
Ecco's are a bit more expensive, but like Tarrant said, they last. My current pair stood up to a year and a half of owning a restaurant and are still in good enough shape.
I love Eccos and Merrells for hiking/walking because they're so comfortable. But, they're kind of quite ugly, lol. Cinch pants...eww. ;\
Ecco has a nice dress line. Not all hiking boots!
Huh, mine do too! Never really noticed it before. Maybe some of the others are more bold with it
The logo is small and on the side of your foot where it can only be seen if you're looking for it, who cares?
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