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    Gender and Race Equality

    So I have been using the gamergate thread for the topic at hand a lot. That isn't quite fair to the thread. Sometimes these issues come up in the politics thread also.

    There needs to be a better place to discuss things like gender and race equality so here it is.

    For today's winning article I present this: Chinese parking lot creates spaces citing concerns women have trouble parking - National | Globalnews.ca
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    Dont you see the deviousness of the white cis males? They somehow got Chinese people to perpetuate 2 different stereotypes. First giving women 25% more parking space for being girls and then another 25% on top of it for being Chinese!

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    Butthurt white guys, an Asian virgin and an angry lesbian walk into a bar...

    That one has been turned into the non-gamer SJW bullshit thread.
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    Hillary Clinton on Twitter:

    “You’re gonna make the same if you do as good a job.” —Donald Trump on women and equal pay

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    Barraco Bisi came up with a guide to this not to long ago. Perhaps if you were less concerned with being a crybaby bitch and creating threads you would have seen it.

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    Can't even read a sticky. Send this shit to the shaw Amod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadris View Post
    Factually correct. The pay gap has a lot more to do with the types of work women do as a whole vs. what types of work men do as a whole, not the rates of pay when they do the same type. If men and women were equally represented as populations in every field of work, there wouldn't be a pay gap or a gap so negligible as to be statistically insignificant.

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    Nobody reads it like that.

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    I'm not looking to be offended, so that's exactly how I read it =|

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichu View Post
    Nobody reads it like that.
    Everybody read it like that. This is Hillary literally campaigning for Trump. I can't believe it's still up TBH.

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    Where's the poll?

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    Lithose is just waiting with 4000 words to drop into this thread. Someone just needs to trigger him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegan View Post
    Lithose is just waiting with 4000 words to drop into this thread. Someone just needs to trigger him.
    Lithose:Drae-Drae::Tanoomba:Johdi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZyyzYzzy View Post
    Where's the poll?
    This needs no poll. I made a decision and a thread is here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadris View Post
    Hillary Clinton on Twitter:
    “You’re gonna make the same if you do as good a job.” —Donald Trump on women and equal pay
    So what is she implying? That being a woman is good enough to earn equal pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulrn View Post
    Lithoserae-Drae::Tanoomba:Johdi?
    Yes correct. The only problem is Draegan isn't articulate enough to take on Lithose. He does follow him around attempting though. Tanoomba on the other hand can articulate himself, he's just a Moonbat.

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    As a hetero white male who isn't mean to anyone who doesn't earn it, I don't give a fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezz View Post
    I'm not looking to be offended, so that's exactly how I read it =|
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    Everybody read it like that. This is Hillary literally campaigning for Trump. I can't believe it's still up TBH.
    Now that I've re-read it I can see how others read it that way. It's very poorly worded though and I can see why Hillary would post it (not that it will matter).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakyJake View Post
    So what is she implying? That being a woman is good enough to earn equal pay?
    Of Course: Clinton Foundation Pays Female Executives 38 Percent Less Than Male Counterparts - Guy Benson

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    I looked this one up and he was Cherry picking. The comparison was how liberals like to throw around the 77 cents number even though economists have proven it to be bullshit. They make less due to less time on the job, qualifications, etc etc.

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    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
    Not that the sample size is huge but in my experience when I was in salaried positions. Employers like to lowball the offer out the gate to save money. Maybe, women just take the first salary offer. I know I had a job that I was expecting to make 50k at with sales projections but since predictions were high I was making like 42-44. When I gave notice they immediately offered to correct it to 50 and when I said no offered to bump it to 60. I never thought to ask or push, they just valued me and clearly could have compensated me that way the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
    The pay gap does exist (for reals) but it primarily impacts two groups - 1. older women that are still carrying around some of the baggage of shitty pay from decades ago and 2. minority women. Your basic young white woman is exactly on par with her male equivalents. Older women getting screwed over is something that will fix itself over time. Minority women getting screwed over is going to be tougher to tackle.

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    Kind of a side point. Do you think the natural programming since childhood that a man must pay for things and provide might lead to men pushing for higher wages. Women get alot of freebies if they try, ladies night, free drinks, meals, college tuition if I am to believe the news lately. Women can use sexuality to lessen expenses where a man cannot. So maybe not as much drive to push for higher salaries when they trade on sexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegan View Post
    Lithose is just waiting with 4000 words to drop into this thread. Someone just needs to trigger him.
    You just can't stop with the SJW shit can you Dragen? Be less obsessed with it man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
    All other things considered is the important part. Women tend to wind up with lower pay because they work less, opt for positions with more flexibility, spend longer in field ect. (A lot has to do with children.) So many studies have been done on this, really, an enormous amount of work--the pay gap does not exist due to sexism or discrimination. It's just a product of choices made between men and women (especially in education and time off and job choice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
    Not from what i've seen, because woman like more things like flex time ect and take less wages for other benefits.

    Also this
    Mens overtime hours are keeping the gender pay gap alive — Quartz
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    The state of race inequality is truly horrendous, I mean I should get to the finnish line just as fast as someone who runs every day. Sure I have a heart issue and diabetes and am old and fat but I deserve to win a race now and again for fairness!

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    Redundant thread is redundant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbitrary View Post
    The pay gap does exist (for reals) but it primarily impacts two groups - 1. older women that are still carrying around some of the baggage of shitty pay from decades ago and 2. minority women. Your basic young white woman is exactly on par with her male equivalents. Older women getting screwed over is something that will fix itself over time. Minority women getting screwed over is going to be tougher to tackle.
    Make big claims, no evidence to back it up. There's a science thread where you'd fit right in.

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    so women work for 38% less than males? if thats true then why are there no all women corporations? they just gained a 38% profit! win win, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astr0Chuk View Post
    so women work for 38% less than males? if thats true then why are there no all women corporations? they just gained a 38% profit! win win, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barraco Bisi View Post
    Redundant thread is redundant
    I've changed my mind about this thread. This stuff triggers the fuck out of Draegan so having a thread in a subforum he actually visits will amuse me.
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    What we're talking about here is the fact that there's a ton of MRA sleepers inside GamerGate communities, and they're using GamerGate to give themselves cover for their shitposting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan_atlas View Post
    Not that the sample size is huge but in my experience when I was in salaried positions. Employers like to lowball the offer out the gate to save money. Maybe, women just take the first salary offer. I know I had a job that I was expecting to make 50k at with sales projections but since predictions were high I was making like 42-44. When I gave notice they immediately offered to correct it to 50 and when I said no offered to bump it to 60. I never thought to ask or push, they just valued me and clearly could have compensated me that way the whole time.
    I'm pretty sure I remember this being a thing 6-8 months ago after a recent study got published. Something along the lines of "major contributing factor for gender pay inequality comes from discrepancy in negotiation".

    Anecdotally, this has been my experience as well. Met plenty of professionals that take the first offer on the table instead of being willing to talk it out or walk away and find a better deal - only men I've seen do it had families, but even then they continued to shop around afterwards where as the women would just complain about it outside business hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
    In most states, women can (and when applicable, do) file cases against their employers for gender discrimination if they are doing the -same- job as a male employee but being paid less without having mitigating factors. The gap does exist, but not for the reasons that the liberal media (to think, I used to joke about conservatives saying the same thing) likes to pretend it does. Sexism isn't the driving factor, nor is outright discrimination in the case of minorities. It generally comes down to very unequal distributions of men and women in certain fields, and the attendant pay that comes with working in those fields. In nursing across the board, there is a 9 : 1 ratio of female to male employees, and the attendant pay that comes with those positions. Likewise, auto mechanics have a 1 : 12 disparity of women to men. But those can and often do pay similar wages depending on tier.

    The food industry has some of the lowest (7/10) paying jobs in the nation, and the majority of tipped positions are filled by women. When they discuss their average wage, they are not taking lots of fun stuff into effect. One: Nobody in any state is making 2.13 an hour working in the food industry. But every tipped position gets broken down to some estimated subset with that as the baseline. Two: the -vast- majority of tipped employees in every state are not reporting their full incomes, even when closely monitored. Which means that women are being estimated lower than they are naturally, and reporting less than they are actually, and that's a -lot- of women at the bottom end of the perceived spectrum.

    There's a lot more going on in other industries, such as the disparity of women in specific fields like STEM or Teachers. Not to mention the other issues such as shift preference, work preference, etc. that stems from non-sexism/discrimination factors. The problem is that women are being taught (largely by some very misleading media) that even if they do the same work to the same level as men with all other factors being equal, they are going to make 77% as much. Which hasn't been true in at least 20 years, yet it is still a constant talking point for liberal media pundits, SJWs, and 3rd wave feminists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
    Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

    Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
    I would like to see the proof of that in the Nursing field or any other area that is predominantly female.
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    I have to find the porn where the guys filming it were asking belle knox questions when she was talking about equality of pay was one of her feminist positions. they told her porn is one of the fields woman get paid way more then men, her answer was "this is a capitalist country".
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    According to backpages women are making like 300-500 roses an hour. I don't even make that in a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mist View Post
    What we're talking about here is the fact that there's a ton of MRA sleepers inside GamerGate communities, and they're using GamerGate to give themselves cover for their shitposting.

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    Transgender track athlete makes history, as controversy stirs around her | | USA Today High School Sports

    How is that okay for a 100% pre-op kid to compete in the easier bracket. I like how he didn't even do that great.
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    I'm not sure how this is even a thing, really. Socially I'm ok with trannies etc. getting called whatever pronoun they want and not getting shit on for using the wrong toliet. But when it comes to competitive sports or any event where physicality is a defining paradigm? Yeah absolutely not. There is a strict biological (regardless of the mental which is the entire basis for transgenderism in the first place) difference between men and women/boys and girls. Letting guys with superior muscle/bone structure for specific physical activities participate as if they were women (who do not have that baseline muscle/bone structure) is ridiculous. Lets see how any W-t-M trannies compete in say, Football or any other physically demanding sport. Can't wait for the incredible butthurt at being cut from a team because they are physically -not- the same.

    In fact, I'm almost positive that there are lawsuits and shit exactly doing that, somewhere =\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezz View Post
    I'm not sure how this is even a thing, really. Socially I'm ok with trannies etc. getting called whatever pronoun they want and not getting shit on for using the wrong toliet. But when it comes to competitive sports or any event where physicality is a defining paradigm? Yeah absolutely not. There is a strict biological (regardless of the mental which is the entire basis for transgenderism in the first place) difference between men and women/boys and girls. Letting guys with superior muscle/bone structure for specific physical activities participate as if they were women (who do not have that baseline muscle/bone structure) is ridiculous. Lets see how any W-t-M trannies compete in say, Football or any other physically demanding sport. Can't wait for the incredible butthurt at being cut from a team because they are physically -not- the same.

    In fact, I'm almost positive that there are lawsuits and shit exactly doing that, somewhere =\
    But this is the exact problem. You can't be ok with trannies getting called what they want and not getting shit on for using the wrong toilet, at the same time turning your discrimination on when it comes to participating in sports.

    If you're fine with dudes deciding to be chicks then that goes all the way. You don't make exclusions. So no, you tell yourself you're ok with it, but you're really not. It's like the "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but..." comments.

    Things like this show how ridiculous the entire thing is.

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    It's too early this olympics, but I really look forward to seeing women start to get shut out with the next olympics. In some sports, 50 year old men could crush women. I fully expect some countries to just all out embrace it as a fuck you we getting our golds, I also fully expect them to completely not give a fuck and not even kinda try to make them look like women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AladainAF View Post
    But this is the exact problem. You can't be ok with trannies getting called what they want and not getting shit on for using the wrong toilet, at the same time turning your discrimination on when it comes to participating in sports.

    If you're fine with dudes deciding to be chicks then that goes all the way. You don't make exclusions. So no, you tell yourself you're ok with it, but you're really not. It's like the "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but..." comments.

    Things like this show how ridiculous the entire thing is.
    I don't see them as the same at all. I'm ok with trannies too, I have zero issue with it socially. But the point about sports is right. Men are physically stronger than woman, on average. Maybe there needs to be a rule that you can't "cross-compete" until you've been on the hormones for X amount of years or had surgery. If I just decided I wanted to be a girl tomorrow and then immediately signed up for womans sports that would be big-time cheating, even if I was 100% honest and had whatever mental affliction causes the gender dis-morphia crap. It's the same way we criticize athletes for steroid usage even though we could have also taken the approach of "it's fair so if you want to compete you have to do them too".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangoth View Post
    I don't see them as the same at all. I'm ok with trannies too, I have zero issue with it socially. But the point about sports is right. Men are physically stronger than woman, on average. Maybe there needs to be a rule that you can't "cross-compete" until you've been on the hormones for X amount of years or had surgery. If I just decided I wanted to be a girl tomorrow and then immediately signed up for womans sports that would be big-time cheating, even if I was 100% honest and had whatever mental affliction causes the gender dis-morphia crap. It's the same way we criticize athletes for steroid usage even though we could have also taken the approach of "it's fair so if you want to compete you have to do them too".
    Obviously you're not okay with trannies if you are calling these women male, fucking shitlord. Call them what they are, women. Let them compete with what they are, women. Anything else is fucking sexist against women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangoth View Post
    I don't see them as the same at all. I'm ok with trannies too, I have zero issue with it socially. But the point about sports is right. Men are physically stronger than woman, on average. Maybe there needs to be a rule that you can't "cross-compete" until you've been on the hormones for X amount of years or had surgery. If I just decided I wanted to be a girl tomorrow and then immediately signed up for womans sports that would be big-time cheating, even if I was 100% honest and had whatever mental affliction causes the gender dis-morphia crap. It's the same way we criticize athletes for steroid usage even though we could have also taken the approach of "it's fair so if you want to compete you have to do them too".
    See highlight: But these aren't men. They are women. And you do have an issue with it socially, you are discriminating against them from playing sports with their gender. You're basically forcing a MTF trans to play boys sports, even though they are girls. We're letting them use the women's toilets and women's locker rooms, why are you suddenly going to change to a different litmus test when it comes to sports? You either need to agree or disagree all the way, you can't say "Well they are 'half girls'" or "half boys". They simply cannot be two different things. If you're going to require hormones for X amount of years or had surgery, then this is the test you also should apply to restrooms and lockerrooms.

    Mind you: I share much of what you guys are expressing here, but am playing a bit of a devils advocate.

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    As mentioned, eventually the Olympics will just be all "men's" sports. They won't be called men's sports, obviously, it will just be non-gendered, but only those originally born men will win. They'll even win things like synchronized swimming and that floor gymnastics thing with the ribbons because if enough people with male musculature decide they really like doing those things, eventually they'll dominate the event. Same with every high school and college sport everywhere.

    It will be interesting to see how this conflicts with the current mindset of appease everyone, when eventually you'll have to piss someone off.

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    Yes, one of the things most of us reasonable people have been saying is that the whole trans movement hurts women considerably more than men. There are far more MTF than FTM. It's the same thing as "equality" which is why women really don't want it. They say they do, but when push comes to shove (registering for the draft, etc) they don't want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furry View Post
    Obviously you're not okay with trannies if you are calling these women male, fucking shitlord. Call them what they are, women. Let them compete with what they are, women. Anything else is fucking sexist against women.
    Ohh my god go fuck yourself douchenozzle. I could care less if someone was a tranny. Just because I don't use the proper fucking pronoun doesn't mean I want to discriminate or champion inequity for them. God you fucking people are pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AladainAF View Post
    See highlight: But these aren't men. They are women. And you do have an issue with it socially, you are discriminating against them from playing sports with their gender. You're basically forcing a MTF trans to play boys sports, even though they are girls. We're letting them use the women's toilets and women's locker rooms, why are you suddenly going to change to a different litmus test when it comes to sports? You either need to agree or disagree all the way, you can't say "Well they are 'half girls'" or "half boys". They simply cannot be two different things. If you're going to require hormones for X amount of years or had surgery, then this is the test you also should apply to restrooms and lockerrooms.

    Mind you: I share much of what you guys are expressing here, but am playing a bit of a devils advocate.
    Yes and no.....as I said I am ok with them playing in the sport of their identified gender, after X amount of time on whatever hormone and physiological transition is fair. I'm not a doctor so I don't know what that is. But if I've never been on hormones or anything but day 2 after I "come out"(whatever that means) as a member of the opposite gender, my body has not yet adjusted to the point where it would be fair or equal. I really do see it like steroids. Anyone can take steroids and get stronger, yet it's this huge scandal when an athlete does it because it puts them on uneven footing compared to everyone else. I see a M2F, or it's reverse, as unequal footing until the body has been allowed to undergo the necessary changes.

    It's either that or we all agree a sport is a sport and anyone of any gender can all play in the same league. But as long as the leagues are separate then there must be some type of definition of what makes a man(able to play in mens league) and woman(able to play in womans league) and, in my opinion, it cannot simply be mental due to the physical nature of sports. Fuck, even golf separates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangoth View Post
    Yes and no.....as I said I am ok with them playing in the sport of their identified gender, after X amount of time on whatever hormone and physiological transition is fair.
    Are you okay with a Black, Kenyan tribal man competing on a long-distance run against white europeans? Because Black Kenyan tribal men can run full speed for hours without issue. If you're okay with this, I'm not sure why you wouldn't be okay with a woman competing against other women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rangoth View Post
    But if I've never been on hormones or anything but day 2 after I "come out"(whatever that means) as a member of the opposite gender, my body has not yet adjusted to the point where it would be fair or equal.
    But why the push for bathrooms and lockerrooms? Why are we willing to say "Well my muscles are like a male and so much stronger than a womans and thus I shouldn't be able to compete in womans sports", but at the same time say "My facial features and junk are still male, but I should have every right to go into the female locker room and bathroom".

    It's a blatant double standard. Agian, it's really all or none.

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    I gotta admit, Aladain is bringing up some good points. I'm interested in seeing how this is going to pan out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AladainAF View Post
    Are you okay with a Black, Kenyan tribal man competing on a long-distance run against white europeans? Because Black Kenyan tribal men can run full speed for hours without issue. If you're okay with this, I'm not sure why you wouldn't be okay with a woman competing against other women.



    But why the push for bathrooms and lockerrooms? Why are we willing to say "Well my muscles are like a male and so much stronger than a womans and thus I shouldn't be able to compete in womans sports", but at the same time say "My facial features and junk are still male, but I should have every right to go into the female locker room and bathroom".

    It's a blatant double standard. Agian, it's really all or none.
    I am ok with black tribes competing in sports against white euro males. But I see that as a teribble analogy so Im not really going to address it.

    To your other point about bathrooms and such(beyond the fact that I personally dont give a flying fuck who pees and shits where, but for the sake of conversation) I think that treads a fine line for two reasons.

    1.) I do believe in Legal equality of treatment and human rights, but bathrooms are not that. I think private stuff should be able to dictate what they want. If people dont support it they will change. For instance clubs/bars ive been too in major cities no one ever cared when trans people went in to whatever bathroom they identify as, but im sure in small town iowa or montana they may not be so welcome. I dont see that as a problem but maybe im just harsh.

    2.) i think what this entire debate comes down to for me is what defines "trans". I will concede that you cant have half-half treatment, but i cant just claim "ohh im trans" and join womans sports to kick ass and go take dumps in their bathrooms or whatever. Im just arguing that to get whatever "rights"(which we may not agree on specifics) that trans people have/need/deserve there should be some level of committed transition beyond the clothing. Im not a doctor, as i said before, but i dont think it needs to be fully swapping sex organs nor can it just be claiming your trans. Its a grey area but if we are going to give the, special rights then there should be a clear definiton of what it means not just to identify as the other sex, but some level of transition that is completed


    Whatever though. My personal beliefs on this and race and gay and all that shit is who the fuck cares. We need to stop treating every group as different special snowflakes. See my comment earlier about just having all sports leagues open to all people... Trans, girl, black, martian, dog and then teams pick and hire the best people to win. BUT....if we are going to play by the rules out there today, which currently separate men and woman, then im just saying we should define what woman means. Im not claiming it should be defined by birth, but i also dont believe its fair just to say "ohh im trans" and join a female league when they are currently seperated for a reason. Hence lets define what "woman" is, maybe it means on hormones for 6 months? I dunno......

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    Quote Originally Posted by AladainAF View Post
    But this is the exact problem. You can't be ok with trannies getting called what they want and not getting shit on for using the wrong toilet, at the same time turning your discrimination on when it comes to participating in sports.

    If you're fine with dudes deciding to be chicks then that goes all the way. You don't make exclusions. So no, you tell yourself you're ok with it, but you're really not. It's like the "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but..." comments.

    Things like this show how ridiculous the entire thing is.
    I can most definitely make exclusions about how I feel regarding people of varying types socially, how I personally interact with them, and how I feel about them from a scientific standpoint. Hence my separation that I am ok with whatever socially as long as it isn't a direct infringement on another person. Like people who think they are wolves and running around in the woods is fine; be a fucking majestic loco beast all you want. When you run up and bite somebody, you go to jail regardless of how normal it is for wolves to do that shit. But until that point, sure, be what you want. Dress like a girl and use the ladies room. When you molest a woman in one? You go to jail. So yeah, I'm socially ok with them. I think trannies are by and large nutcases, but no different than I feel about hardcore conservatives or religious people or Blue-Hair SJWs or any other group I have logical reasons to disagree with their opinion of how reality works. But I am never going to say that any of those aforementioned groups should be denied access to basic privileges and rights, -right- up until it directly infringes upon other people in a real negative manner.

    And it has no bearing whatsoever how I feel about trannies in sports. Gender has a much more direct impact on physical build than race/location/any-other-factor(unless you are strictly considering nutrition or something strange like that as opposed to actual biological differences in physical makeup, but hey, if you want to go that road we can!) Look at the worlds fastest female runner times.

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    Location changes the difference in mens' fastest speeds to a small degree. Small parts of a second. While the -fastest- man alive (even taking into consideration his location) is only .5s faster than a lot of other male runners, he is almost 1.0s faster than the Fastest woman in olympic history, and closer to 1.5 seconds faster at the 100m dash than almost any other woman ever.

    So yeah, there's a biological difference between men and women that is undeniable, and a tranny is not whatever gender they claim they are from a biological standpoint. Location can be attributed to nigerians/kenyans running all sorts of fast times, but the simple fact that Usain Bolt is a man gives him an undeniable edge vs. female competitors, regardless of where the females were raised/what country they come from.

    If you want to argue the moral implications of treating the absolute definition of a special case (trannies are less than 1 in 10,000 in the US) as a special case when it comes to sports, I don't know what to tell you. But allowing people who were born as men (specifically one-way here. Women who bro out and want to compete as men? Sure, go in with a handicap, because that is an undeniable handicap when it comes to physical activity) to compete as women is a huge slap in the face to any female athlete, regardless how one views them socially. It is a literal leg up that race/location cannnot compete with, and a much stronger biological one for that matter. There's a lot less difference between a black kenyan and a white guy from michigan than either compared to any race/ethnicity/national female that isn't a huuuuge special case (as always comes up in these arguments, hermaphrodites are an exception, also an exceedingly rare one).

    Socially trannies can be called whatever they want. I might think it's dumb, but I'm not burning down churches or setting fire to Tea Party rallies either. I let them do their thing because it doesn't impact me or others based upon their presence. However, it most certainly -does- have an impact when mtf try to play competitive sports as a female. It's a strict biological advantage.

    I'll toss some more numbers out for giggles and shits to further highlight the difference between a black kenyan vs. another male and the gender Male vs. the gender Female.

    Female bench press: 507lbs
    Male bench press: (not even going to use the highest here) 675lbs

    Fastest female marathon: 2:18:59
    Fastest male marathon: 2:03:55

    So yes, there's a strict biological difference between men and women when it comes to physicality. Scale those numbers down to averages, and there is still an undeniable advantage as a gender for men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebudai View Post
    Wonder how much money I can make in the WNBA.
    Well, how good are your fundamentals?

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    Compared to guys? I could maybe make a college team if I was 10 years younger. Compared to chicks? I'm John Stockton.

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    Probably not that much. They tend to get paid shit; even the uh... "superstars." hahaha.

    WNBA average salary: $107,000
    NBA average salary: $4,900,00

    That digit, yo.

    Granted....

    Average height for NBA player: 6'7" (this was from 2015, so might be less/more, but hey, averages)
    Average height for WNBA player: 6' (admittedly, getting odd numbers for this. Some tall chick was 6'8" and she's third tallest ever in WNBA, but third tallest NBA player ever is 7'6.5")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezz View Post
    I can most definitely make exclusions about how I feel regarding people of varying types socially, how I personally interact with them, and how I feel about them from a scientific standpoint. Hence my separation that I am ok with whatever socially as long as it isn't a direct infringement on another person.
    How can you possibly accept someone who identifies as a female going into a womans bathroom, and yet say that it "isn't a direct infringement on another person?". What about those Seattle girls that flipped out about the dude going into their locker room? Were they not directly infringed upon?

    Like people who think they are wolves and running around in the woods is fine; be a fucking majestic loco beast all you want. When you run up and bite somebody, you go to jail regardless of how normal it is for wolves to do that shit.
    If someone wants to frolic around in the woods like crazy that's fine. When they bite someone, yes that's a direct infringement, and you go to jail. That's also fine. When you're a dude and you walk into the female locker room and drop trou in front of a bunch of naked girls thats what.. just tell the girls to get over it?

    But until that point, sure, be what you want. Dress like a girl and use the ladies room.
    Two things here: 1. You have already taken it a step further than the law - you require dressing like a girl. 2. Is any consideration given to the females who may be uncomfortable with this?

    But allowing people who were born as men (specifically one-way here. Women who bro out and want to compete as men? Sure, go in with a handicap, because that is an undeniable handicap when it comes to physical activity) to compete as women is a huge slap in the face to any female athlete, regardless how one views them socially.
    Specifically one way, hmm? Ok, so the 4'6" 75 pound FTM wants to compete in male gymnastics. No problem, right? What about a FTM long distance swimmer? FTM in equestrian sports?

    Again, I want o be clear I actually agree with most of what you're saying here. I'm more amplifying a devils advocate argument here. If you're going to blend the genders, let girls be boys, and let boys be girls, then I don't understand how in the same way you can say: "Well yes, you can do that but if you were born a man you can't do X Y and Z". I don't see how you are instantly discriminating at that point.

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    Few points:

    Seattle guy was most likely just a creeper, and just taking advantage of shitty legal loopholes in WA state legislature. Possibly an activist trying to protest the vague wording of many laws regarding how trannies are handled from state to state. Exceptions to common sense exist, and it really comes down to the establishment he was frequenting to handle the issue appropriately. That guy was most definitely infringing upon their rights, but really those rights are up for question in WA due to how the laws are worded. Exceptions happen to everything, and there's always people trying to push the limits of what is socially and legally acceptable.

    As for girls getting over it? Yeah, they probably should. The US is one of the most ridiculously conservative nations on earth when it comes to nudity in general. People have a right to be offended, but that doesn't mean law should be written around their being offended. As I said previously, I think Tea Party members and SJWs are nutjobs for the most part. I am 100% against SJW/Tea Party ideals becoming actual laws in 99% of instances, and I am offended by the majority of nonsense I see coming out of those movements. That doesn't mean that we should outlaw SJWs/Tea Partiers or have specific SJW/Tea Party-friendly zones. They're a part of society (in trannies case, a very small part) so it really comes down to the rest of us to just "get over it" when we see them out and about. Now doing specifically creeper style antics, like if said dude who dropped his shorts in front of the girls had a raging hard on and was just staring at them? Yeah, I would hope that person was removed, because that's some incredibly creepy action regardless of male/female. Really the easiest fix for the entire locker-room issue is to take a stall approach for both genders and call it a day. But personally? Case by case basis instead of blanket law, because pervs and creepers most certainly can and do exist.

    My quip about the guy dressing like a girl and using the restroom was exactly that: a quip. It was merely for emphasis that until you start doing something illegal I honestly don't care for the most part either way. Women's restrooms are all stalls, and unless porn slumber party movies are correct, they're not all just standing around topless in the restroom doing their makeup. Unisex bathrooms are easy: all stalls and no troughs. The people who leave doors open so you can see their asses or whatever else happens is the same regardless of whether you are letting men use all restrooms or not. Some people are just shitty people, and it should always be dealt with on a case by case basis as to what is over the line. Guys spread eagle over the top of a stall shitting from 5ft above for Expert Mode target practice are just as reprehensible(OR ARE THEY?! Achievement Unlocked) regardless of what room they are. Do women get offended by hearing men piss/shit? I get pretty offended when I sit in the stall next to somebody who is taking a massive dump and groaning combined with a horrendous smell. Certainly doesn't make my day. Also generally doesn't ruin it. Women would get used to guys taking dumps/pissing in the stall next to them probably pretty quickly. And the creepers would have to be dealt with exactly the same regardless whether it was socially acceptable to have guys in the ladies room or not.

    Sports stuff... aside from a couple extreme outliers in the chick swimming something that simply almost nobody else has tried, in long distance swimming, men generally have less of a strict advantage due to overall buoyancy. However, long distance swimming is still generally more favorable for men. Will women soon outperform men in open-water ultra-distance swimming in the ‘Maratona del Golfo Capri-Napoli’? But I will concede and say that this is the one sport possibly where women might have a biological advantage.

    Gymnastics is a bit trickier, however musculature is still going to outweigh female to male abilities as an average when it comes to 4/6 events for males. Men, simply put, carry more muscle than women at comparable weights. So even a tiny little girl isn't going to do the rings to the same level that a born male gymnast would. Really the only area where the girl would be even would be the stylistic challenges, vault and the floor show. Since those are much more subjective vs. objective such as times etc, it would most likely be taken into account subconsciously. But in 4/6 gymnastic events, men would outperform women strictly due to biology, where the remaining two would depend heavily on style, which isn't really gender specific so much as it is judge bias specific.

    For the rest? If women are that upset about using locker rooms with dudes having their dongs flopped out (granted, those people are generally a minority even in men's locker rooms) then they should ask their gym to provide better accommodations. If a guy is legitimately creeping? The establishment in question should remove or monitor them. No different from pedos hanging out in the boys room watching the trough for bait.

    No matter how much I think that trannies are suffering from mental issues, they are here to stay until science proves them to be nutjobs. Socially, they are just a thing now that has to be accounted for. But when it comes to competitive sports, people born as men should not be able to compete as women because it is an undeniable across the board advantage minus one sport at extreme distance, and even that isn't really super specific since the longest distance ever is some guy from Croatia. But I'll concede that one. So the exception is extreme long distance swimming out of -every- physical sport. That tells me pretty easily that men have a strict physical advantage in competitive sports due to biological gender.

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    What's to stop a dude from claiming he's a woman, going into a locker room, literally staring at girls, then masturbating?

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    I would hope that there's a logical distinction between seeing a flacid penis vs. someone gratifying themself for most people. If you mean a guy goes into the female locker room to stare at naked girls, then heads to the restroom to jerk off? Not much in states where it is allowed! I don't get fully naked in the locker room when I go to the gym because I like air drying my balls with a hair dryer while standing like I'm about to toss a javelin, which I get might be uncomfortable for some people to see regardless of gender, so when I do hit the gym I generally go home to change/shower. I haven't wandered around too many ladies changing rooms to know what the generic layout is, but movies have trained me to believe that they always have towels present. If there's a guy legitimately just jogging around trying to peep on broads, I'd hope they would inform the establishment. And if the establishment doesn't do anything? Either accept it or switch gyms. Really depends on state legislature though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezz View Post
    No matter how much I think that trannies are suffering from mental issues, they are here to stay until science proves them to be nutjobs. Socially, they are just a thing now that has to be accounted for. But when it comes to competitive sports, people born as men should not be able to compete as women because it is an undeniable across the board advantage minus one sport at extreme distance, and even that isn't really super specific since the longest distance ever is some guy from Croatia.
    I have several issues with this line of thought. First, name another mental disorder where the behavior is not only enabled and encouraged, but done so at the expense of the vast majority of the rest of society. Second, the burden of proof should be on PROVING that trans is an actual scientific physical thing, not the other way around. But when the shoe is on the other foot and women are getting crushed by dickless dudes in every sport, suddenly the science is clear? That's an extreme double standard, not to mention a complete selective disregard for the scientific method when it does not fit the narrative the regressive left is trying to advance. So its listen and believe right up until the moment reality slaps them in the face and then all of a sudden its look at the data.

    Fuck that. You cannot have your cake and eat it, too. Either admit that choppers are suffering from a mental disorder (obviously the very rare herms and dysphoria cases excepted) or bend over and except some major shitlording of all the female sports disappearing from existence, as the chopper patrol comes barreling in to take all the awards. The moment this is allowed in the Olympics on a wide scale you know for a fact that China will have a whole program of "volunteer" choppers to get more gold medals, since its easier to do that than keep trying to sneak overage roided out women into certain events.
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    What's to stop a dude from claiming he's a woman, going into a locker room, literally staring at girls, then masturbating?
    Common fucking decency and the rest of us participating in civilized society.

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    You have an exuberance of faith in the balls of 16 year Olds.

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    You think a lot of sixteen year olds would put a death sentence on their social lives and reputation just to bust a nut in a locker room?

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    You think a lot of sixteen year olds would put a death sentence on their social lives and reputation just to bust a nut in a locker room?
    lostkeysblameHofmann comments on What is the creepiest thing you've ever done?

    I've done something like this. Basically I am a man of voracious sexual appetite combined with the fatal character flaw of falling in love with every woman who pays me the least bit attention, so one day at work a random girl came in and made delightful small talk with me in a way that really excited my roosevelt and naturally I decided that i would try to get her to love me, but once she left I realized i'd probably be better off watching from afar before i try to make any move.

    of course i kept a copy of her receipt. I usually did that anyway with hot girls so I could look them up on facebook and masturbate to their photos- it's a university town so it's easy to narrow down students and if I have their full name it's cake. the best was when girls were buying underwear. or the ones who were clearly uncomfortable going to a male cashier with their lingerie and were awkward and all that with me but i just put on a smile and pretend it's fine and thanks to my photographic memory i could go home and masturbate relishing in the thought that i knew exactly what they would be wearing.

    anyway back to the story at hand. My Aphrodite was obviously a student at the university so i found her on facebook and quickly realized that her profile was wide open, meaning i could see all of her statuses and photos- every update. it's not stalking because it's public information anyway and whatnot. so i had her receipt, i found her on facebook, and it began quite innocently, like i was just masturbating to her swimsuit photos three or four times a day but then i realized that i TA in the building right next to where her major classes were. so i began to pay attention to her status updates, hoping to catch when she'd be in the building. not for any nefarious purpose, I just wanted to see if i could maybe track her down like a wild sow or something and pretend like i was nigel thornberry.

    Well, as i said before i am a man of diverse sexual tastes and after the first few times i saw her wandering across the causeways between our buildings and my subsequent masturbating in janitorial closets i decided to step it up a notch. by that point i already had memorized her class schedule, at least in the building next to mine, so i knew where she was at most given moments. THIS is where i thought to maybe do something like OP here did, like pretend like i'm in her classes and that we're compatible and whatnot, but then i realized i'm not the best looking guy and she might remember me from the store and i should probably just stick to my normal technique of hiding in the women's restroom and masturbating to the sounds they made on the toilet- something I've done since early teenagehood and something I've mastered.

    So I posted up like a military sentinel on a bench in her ac building where i knew she had class. the first few classes were futile- would my darling ever piss? was she a camel? alas, it took a few tries but on the third or fourth day of waiting i caught her slip out of class towards the women's restroom. i buried my head in an book and let her pass. then as soon as she went into the bathroom i hobbled over at full mast, glanced around like a perverted priest in an orphanage, and slipped furtively into the bathroom.

    I perched on a toilet like a crow to hide my hairy ankles and crocs so no lady would see me in their domain. Almost immediately, the concerto of her bowel movement graced my ears. Toccata and Fugue in Shit Minor- an artful evacuation of the rectum. Sensual yet gripping: it sounded like she was making fart noises with her mouth, but I could detect the verisimilitude. It was sublime. I conducted my typical stealthy masturbatory symphony, relishing in the stench reeking into my stall from hers. It was 8 or 9 minutes that felt like an eternity and I still can't hide in womens' restrooms without wistfully remembering that great day.

    And as quickly as it began it was over, and she flushed, and washed, and was gone. I try not to get hung up on women too badly so I told myself she'd be out of my life forever. Barely holding back tears, I took one nostalgic glance into her stall, just to solidify the memory forever, when I realized that upon the toilet seat was a spiky black pubic hair.

    Naturally I snatched the pube like Smeagol and his precious, and to this day it occupies a special spot in my wallet, going around with me everywhere i go as a romantic reminder of what true love feels like- that love is everywhere, all around us, and inside all of us, and sometimes all that it takes to realize said love is an ungodly bowel movement and a lonely forgotten pubic hair.

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    I figured you guys would lose your minds over this one.. fucking hysterical.. poor Kevin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanoomba View Post
    You think a lot of sixteen year olds would put a death sentence on their social lives and reputation just to bust a nut in a locker room?
    I hate these arguments though. It's like that WA case or whatever where when they made the bathrooms tranny friendly a guy walks in and says "im trans". just to make some stupid point or whatever. Like the people who open carry rifles down main streets in suburban towns....yea, cause you need that. It's stupid, it's just to show off and purposefully cause a scene.

    I'm of the attitude of "who gives a fuck" about all this, but clearly society doesn't operate that way. So it goes all the way back to my point about sports, which can be made about bathrooms too. If we are going to say trans people can play/pee where ever then we MUST define what trans is, the same way we define all sorts of stupid shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lleauaric View Post
    I figured you guys would lose your minds over this one.. fucking hysterical.. poor Kevin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lleauaric View Post
    I figured you guys would lose your minds over this one.. fucking hysterical.. poor Kevin.

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    The Trayvon Martin case is where I started to believe that black people are intentionally set up to fail by the media.

    edit - Also this girl is super, super racist. I'm sorry she feels the way that she does, I don't know what she has gone through, but she's come out the other end full of hate and eager to be offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangoth View Post
    I hate these arguments though. It's like that WA case or whatever where when they made the bathrooms tranny friendly a guy walks in and says "im trans". just to make some stupid point or whatever. Like the people who open carry rifles down main streets in suburban towns....yea, cause you need that. It's stupid, it's just to show off and purposefully cause a scene.

    I'm of the attitude of "who gives a fuck" about all this, but clearly society doesn't operate that way. So it goes all the way back to my point about sports, which can be made about bathrooms too. If we are going to say trans people can play/pee where ever then we MUST define what trans is, the same way we define all sorts of stupid shit.
    I agree. I can't stand the assholes who abuse a system just to prove that it can be abused. Yes, we know assholes exist, we don't need people to prove that to us by intentionally acting like assholes. In fact, I agree with most of what you've said in this thread, even if I think implementing it on a practical level could prove challenging. The only thing I'm having difficulty with is seeing how that connects to what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanoomba View Post
    You think a lot of sixteen year olds would put a death sentence on their social lives and reputation just to bust a nut in a locker room?
    LOL yeah they'd be devastated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phazael View Post
    I have several issues with this line of thought. First, name another mental disorder where the behavior is not only enabled and encouraged, but done so at the expense of the vast majority of the rest of society. Second, the burden of proof should be on PROVING that trans is an actual scientific physical thing, not the other way around. But when the shoe is on the other foot and women are getting crushed by dickless dudes in every sport, suddenly the science is clear? That's an extreme double standard, not to mention a complete selective disregard for the scientific method when it does not fit the narrative the regressive left is trying to advance. So its listen and believe right up until the moment reality slaps them in the face and then all of a sudden its look at the data.

    Fuck that. You cannot have your cake and eat it, too. Either admit that choppers are suffering from a mental disorder (obviously the very rare herms and dysphoria cases excepted) or bend over and except some major shitlording of all the female sports disappearing from existence, as the chopper patrol comes barreling in to take all the awards. The moment this is allowed in the Olympics on a wide scale you know for a fact that China will have a whole program of "volunteer" choppers to get more gold medals, since its easier to do that than keep trying to sneak overage roided out women into certain events.
    Like I said, I think they're loonies for the most part but a good chunk of the nation has (somewhat successfully) pushed the narrative that it isn't a mental disorder and is indeed some completely unproven biological one. I am in no way defending trannies being treated like whatever gender they "think" they are and want society to think they are. But for the moment, rioting in the streets or running around being a huge dick calling trannies weiner-whackers or other humorous yet offensive names is just not conducive to meshing well with modern society. It costs me nothing to call a dude Charlene instead of Charlie. There's something to be said for not drawing shitloads of attention to oneself, especially since the only part I feel strongly about is physical competition, which I will happily state the scientific fact that men are superior in physical competitions (sans one extreme outlier) at a town meeting and say that trannnies shouldn't be able to participate in competitive physical sports that are not aligned with their biological gender. But as to some guy wanting to be called Charlene instead of Charlie? Zero people harmed, so eh, fuck it.

    I don't "listen or believe" when it comes to the SJW super regressive left. I would have thought that was pretty obvious at this point hah. But sometimes just going "eh fuck it" is a-ok. Really, I'm just ok with people being offended as long as they aren't being assaulted. Being offended is not being assaulted. Girls offended a guy might see their tits in a locker room have a right to be offended, but in some states (such as WA apparently) it's a matter of just being offended by something that is socially distasteful to them but not actually illegal. I'm offended Tea Party members en masse are allowed to have a public forum, but I'm not going to take away their microphones. However, if it's illegal in a state? Yeah, arrest dudes in ladies rooms. Don't think I'd ever advocate for anything else, really.

    I think it is much better to treat trannies as special cases when it comes to sports in that they shouldn't currently compete as other than their biological gender. What if in 5 years science comes to the complete conclusion that trannies are just mental cases (currently it's not proof positive, just a strong leaning towards being entirely mental), but we let them ruin women's sports in the interim? Again, 1/10000 population, while half the population is biologically female. Devil's advocate: what if we find out in 5 years that they -are- legitimate women in their minds and that with body modification they now qualify fully as women? I would much rather the 1/10000 suffer the mild indignation of not being able to compete because science doesn't understand them than 50% of the population being at a major disadvantage due to acceptance for scientifically unjustifiable reasons.

    Like I said, however, it's all an opinion. My social feelings lead me to the opinion that the only people hurt by trannies are people who are actually physically/verbally assaulted by them, in which case they should be punished to the full extent of the law just like everyone else. But my opinion on sports is that they are clear cut special cases and do not fit within the confines of our current sports leagues. If schools/professional sports want to start a Transition League, it would definitely be a better thing due to the sheer science behind it. It's just not tasteful in modern society to make it that clear-cut, so just not having the 1/10000 not able to compete in whatever division they want is a much easier and generally more palatable fix. Letting women's sports get hijacked by some dick-dicing malcontents seems like a pretty bad potential solution, except by the "let it burn" crew, I suppose.

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    No. Delusional bullshit can not be solved by ignoring it and hoping it goes away. You take it head on and nip it in the bud before it spreads and affects every part of culture. Appeasement is never a solution with ideologues or nut jobs. Trust me, I'm German.
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    Me too! And we don't know if they are clearly nutjobs or not. Science leans that way but there's neither definitive proof they are or definitive proof they aren't. Your opinion is to nip it in the bud. I generally agree, but I feel that train is past in a social sense. The believed implications are not heavy enough for me to really get up in arms about it, however. When actual personal space/property rights start getting circumvented, my opinion and stance will likely change, but really it's coming down to whether someone is offended or not in the social environment. The sports environment, however, I think is still early in the days of "acceptance" so I feel there is time to mitigate potential damage in the case it becomes a legitimate issue.

    I never said we should ignore it and hope it goes away; it's already here and generally who cares when it comes to social situations. But it isn't widespread in sports yet and it is something that should have a definitive stance stated before it does become more widespread. You don't go into alzheimer's clinics and repeatedly tell people to stop forgetting shit and that they aren't 7 years old and all sorts of other incredibly insensitive/hurtful things, because it's not socially alright. The same basic sense of "hey it's not hurting anyone in the literal" should be applied to other mental cases, right up until it -does- literally injure/impugn on someone in the physical assault sense. Keep an eye on them? Yeah, definitely. Trannies tend to keel over through self inflicted injuries like hotcakes sell; ie, often! I'm not sure if it's a thing, but I think any doctor who is informed by a patient that they are transitioning/want to transition/have transitioned should be monitored on the regular because they have proven to be a statistical lot. But forcing everyone to confront their mental illness on the regular is going to lead to a lot more problems than smiling/nodding/walking away for the most part, especially when the social aspects of trannies are generally harmless. Right up until we figure out -exactly- what the issue is and can either facilitate it better (in the case of trannies being a real biological thing and we have the science to either fix or make their feelings physical) or cure it. (in the case of it being proven that it is 100% mental nutjobbery and they need help, man)

    Once the science is actually in and the pro-tranny folks have science telling them that it isn't a thing, period? Yeah I'm all for rehabilitation en mass and treatment to get them into a functioning mindset. But playing along until that time in a social aspect hurts nobody.

    Sports, however, are different!

    edit - TLDR; The social aspect has zero impact unless someone is offended, and I honestly don't care at all if someone is offended. Hell, we have the right to be offended! I'm not saying ignore it and hope it will go away, I'm saying it doesn't matter in the short term in a social sense and in the long term we'll get definitive proof whether or not we need to change our stance on it. It's not so much hoping it goes away, as it is patiently waiting until you don't have half the populace screaming misogyny or patriarchy or fucking white male have literally no leg to stand on when it comes to the issue. Either they are or they aren't; right now we have a good idea but no actual proof that they aren't. If it turns out that they are? I think being insensitive as a society on a social level is a pretty shitty thing; much shittier than stating the scientific fact that we -can- back up directly with data that they are not the same biologically at this time, and their ability to compete in various gender-specific sports should reflect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abefroman View Post
    I can not wait to see Canadian Hockey players get trolled with that.
    Trolled with what, exactly? That we have "dost in us" in our anthem? It's an incredibly minor change. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to it. And if you read the article, the change actually brings it back closer to what it was when originally written. I'll probably keep singing it with the "sons" line, if only out of habit. If someone gets offended by that, I'll probably slap them.

    The more interesting and contentious debate will eventually be about religion in the anthem, and specifically the french one. The english version doesn't have much in it that atheists or whoever would object to. Personally I'm an atheist and don't give a shit about the one or two God mentions. However, the french version has a lot more religious overtones in it, talking about God knowing how to carry a cross because he carried a sword and shit. Some of that probably should come out, but not speaking french I personally don't give a shit about it either.

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    LGB... go and do your thing.

    T... seek help.

    Hell, the thing that seems to be holding back LGB rights is that damn T on the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreugen View Post
    LGB... go and do your thing.

    T... seek help.

    Hell, the thing that seems to be holding back LGB rights is that damn T on the end.
    This maybe just the GenX troglodyte in me talking but how is the "T" not classified as some sort of Body dysmorphic disorder?

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    The only thng about the "T" that has me thinking twice is all the kids that think they are opposite sex. There has to be something there other than "mental issues" I mean, how do you explain a 8 yr old thinking they are he instead of a she or the other way arond? Do you really consider this a mental issue? I dont, not at that point.

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    Twenty years of bullshit "men are the villains characters in movies" and heroine women who have twig arms doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkopec View Post
    The only thng about the "T" that has me thinking twice is all the kids that think they are opposite sex. There has to be something there other than "mental issues" I mean, how do you explain a 8 yr old thinking they are he instead of a she or the other way arond? Do you really consider this a mental issue? I dont, not at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suineg View Post
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    Oh man the great butthurt of 2016 is starting.

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    I am amazed at how tone deaf to their own hypocrisy these dumb cunts are. My wife could not stop face palming when I showed her the articles on it. Her joke: "Millennials + Women + Liberal Arts = The Triforce of Stupidity".
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    Vox Popoli: The enstupidation of France

    Jesus that is scary fast. America's took place over many decades...

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