Don't want to keep posting about this in the deals thread. It is on sale for $4.99 on the Steam store.
What teams do some of you play. What tips/advice can you give newer players?
Play Classic Turn Based mode, it's what 99% of the online community plays. Blitz and Real Time mode are poorly balanced trash.
I made videos to help with the learning curve, because literally for like a week while playing the game I'd go "Oh, I wish I had known that" and restart my team.
Ignore the part in the video where I picked Blitz mode. Everything else is fine, and it's got a lot of annotations to help you understand what's going on as the game progresses.
I've got 600+ hours into Blood Bowl. It's a fantastic game, but it's definitely not for everyone. RTFM -- http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...55534169,d.aWM (and don't get all worked up about the manual being huge...it's just like a player's handbook for D&D. 75% of the information is just that...information on stats and teams and shit.
The forum run by the game company has shitloads of rosters and tactics and shit on there -- http://forum.bloodbowl-game.com/ BB Tactics is great too, though a little outdated, and there's less of a community there -- http://bbtactics.com/
Holy shit, nice work. I picked this up last night and it has been a rape fest. I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still think any wins I am getting is just luck.
After re-watching that video, I would like to say that it is in no way indicative of my actual skill now. Holy shit what a difference 400 hours makes
Pulling conversation from Steam Thread --
Blitz on a kickoff? This guy is scoring. Failed to pick up the ball? This guy is scoring.
Last edited by Cutlery; 12-24-2012 at 02:17 AM.
I am Hatorade in Auld League. Started a new team, win first game 1 to 0 was pretty epic.
High Elf or Dark Elf for a beginner? I tried vampire first last night and they seem like more trouble then they are worth. The needing to feed shit screwed me multiple times heh.
I wouldn't do Dark Elf. Do either High Elf or Wood Elf as a beginner. High Elves are the best passing team. Wood Elves are squishier than High Elves, but their catchers are even faster (9 movement) and they have wider roster options that the High Elves lack in the form of Wardancers and Treants. If you want a more bruising team, I'd go with either Dwarves or Orcs. Dwarves are tough as nails, but not a very versatile roster and they are slow. Orcs are mean, and they give you some versatility in the form of goblins and trolls.
*edit* Holy shit @ that Centaur. You would have laughed to see my star thrower though. My level-ups on him were +1 agi, accurate, strong arm, leader, and nerves of steel. Going to a catcher with +1 agi, nerves of steel, diving catch, dodge, and sure feet. Let's not forget my scrappy little dauntless blitzers!!!
Last edited by Sparklerad; 12-24-2012 at 04:48 AM.
High Elves are okay for a beginner. You need to learn where to pick your fights though, because with pretty average armor, you're not gonna win a lot of fights. It's real easy to get behind on numbers quick if you take a few unlucky rolls. Dark Elf are kind of the professional grade elves. Much bashier, less mobile, a lot more tactics oriented of all the elves.
Humans are actually not a terrible choice for first, just don't load up on catchers, they're the weak spots on the team. I recommend Orcs to start with. They're moderate speed, can pass if they have to, great strength. Ignore the goblins, and skip the troll until much later. You'll get a good feel for how skills all interact playing orcs or humans. Dwarves are kind of a one trick pony...mass smash. They're pretty piss poor at everything else. They're more forgiving of errors at the start, but you'll miss out on learning a lot of the good practices that you should learn, because they're so reliable in their blocking.
And yes, Vampires/Goblin/Underworld/Halflings/Ogre are the teams you play when you think you're hot shit or don't care if you're gonna lose a lot.
Playing dwarves can help you learn good positioning though. Since their movement is so low overall, you have to have good positioning so you don't get burned by the faster teams.
Played Chaos League way back when so I picked this up and will give it a go. The links above are worth clicking, and the official forums have guide finders so you can read up on some of the more common strategies for each team.
For the love of god, don't play halflings unless you are a total masochist.
I haven't played in a while, but I started off with and almost exclusively played the lizard men. They have a nasty running game. Once you get some ball handling skills on their runners it's pretty easy to run the ball from one end of the field to the other in a single turn. Of course, a team like the dwarfs with good positioning can really fuck you up.
It's pretty impressive.
+ for Dwarves while they lack movement they all come with "block" for the most part which is key to keeping your turn rolling.
Dwarf is a great team for noobs, but if you decide to start with them, understand that you're gonna need to branch out and do other things relatively early in your career or your play will suffer quite a bit as a result. 1000TV dwarf is pretty safe, but it's a completely different game than 1000 TV anything else, and also a completely different game than 1700 TV dwarf.
Picked up this game awhie back on a sale, just now getting to it. Im running through the tutorial, and man, tons of shit to learn. Looks good so far though!
Is the single player campaign any good? Any tips for the settings of the campaign?
I played the legendary edition for nearly 40 hours, but I just did different single player modes and tried a bunch of different teams. I don't feel like I ever learned all of the do's and don'ts except skills on the field.
Yeah, I just quit the tutorial, figured the best way is the rough way.
Well, the AI isn't very difficult on any setting, but a campaign is a great way to learn the game and how your team plays against various opponents.
Competition is a one time deal..you set up how many teams you want in the cup, how many brackets you want, and what kind of elimination you want, and then you play it. When you lose or when you win the cup, it's over. World cup is kind of the same way, but it's set up kinda fucking weird, and I don't think too many people have messed around with enough to figure out exactly what's going on. It's similar in the sense that when you lose, or win the cup, it's over, but it starts out with a lot of really rough mirror matches that most people are probably not gonna make it through.
Campaign is therefore the defacto single player mode. There's a dozen or so different tournaments scattered across the map, and you just go from one to the next, in a neverending cycle of games. It's what most people will play when they play single player. You make a team, and then win or lose, there's always another game available for you to play. Most everyone plays on classic rules because the blitz rules can be really unbalancing depending on what you're playing with. They introduce a lot of things that aren't in the rulebook, and were poorly tested for balance. I guarantee you that you will at some point during Blitz mode have half of your team quit, and you will have no money to replace them. So play blitz mode at your own risk. The AI is bottled with 3 difficulty settings, easy, medium, and hard, but they actually do not correspond to those labels at all. For the AI, "Hard" means taking less risks, which you think would make it harder, but it doesn't. It is generally accepted that the Easy setting is the most difficult setting to play on, because you will see agility teams do some fucking crazy shit when the risk tolerance is raised, and they will score on you.
That being said, with a little bit of time under your belt, you will be able to destroy the AI pretty reliably. It's a decent challenge to a newcomer, but it takes some pretty unlucky rolls to beat someone who knows how to play. For that, multiplayer is the way to go, and there are a number of public leagues you can play in with no effort, and there's also a lot of private leagues around that you can join to game once a week or something like that, if that's your cup of tea.
Skaven become pretty awesome once your gutter runners get catch, and if you are lucky +1 movement. Skaven blitzers are good enough to punch holes to get where you need to go.
This game can be really frustrating. I'm sure a lot of that is due to inexperience, but holy shit do I get pissed when the dice seem to go against me. I'll have a game where I easily win 3-0. Then the next game they seriously injury 3 players on the first play and I am shit out of luck for the rest of the game since I am undermanned. Just had one of my better players killed outright right after the kick off. So fucking obnoxious!
Fun game, but my keyboard is in danger if I play too long heh.
You're doing better than me. I made like 5 new teams of varying races and couldn't even win a game. Best I managed was a tie with orks vs lizardmen, and that was only because I injured like all 6 of his little guys and he couldn't really play anymore.
Game is hard as fuck, and I even played the tabletop years back. Maybe the people I played with just sucked or something, but the computer is slaughtering me.
Ronne we can play some games if you want some tips mid game etc
Listening to the shit Ronne says is going wrong in his Blood Bowl games is epic. Like a black orc blocking a halfling and rolling 3 attacker downs
I almost broke my keyboard on that one. I even fucking rerolled it and got the same shit again! I had to scrap that team anyway though, the treemen on the halfling team injured two linemen and killed a blitzer =\
Current orc team doing much better, 2-0 now! Beat norse and nurgle by just clogging up the center and grinding it out with my one early point.
Now one of my black orcs has a broken neck for -1 agility though, will that ever heal or do I have to just replace him?
Load up, start the campaign, kickoff and a fan throws something at my team and kills a guy before the match starts. GG WP.
My very first player to ever hit level 7 was a Claw/MB/PO/Tackle Beastman. I picked Foul Appearance for his last skill, figuring that it would increase his lifespan. He died on the very first turn of the very next game he played, apoth rerolled to dead. Can't get too attached to guys in this game
Hah, I just had a fan riot happen on the field. Over half my team was knocked out right after the kick off. They need to change the loading screen.
This game has so many little details that matter. I am struggling to pick a race I want to stick with, right now I have it narrowed down to Vampires, Orcs, Lizardmen or Dark Elfs. I am probably leaning toward either Vamps or DE.
Vampires are a tier 3 race (as in, worst). They're very difficult to play correctly because thrall positioning is extremely important. You also can't field all of your vamps at any given time, or you run into trouble with too many bloodlust rolls hosing your game plan. Lizardmen are one of the best races out there, but you need to be a very good coach in order to play them correctly. Their strength is tempo -- they can score very fast, or they can beat you into a pulp and grind you down. They need to be very good at both, or their saurus' get split off and isolated, and the skinks get killed. Dark Elves are the hardest elf race to play correctly because they start with the least amount of ball handling skills and are the slowest elves, and to compensate they have extremely good bash, with the blitzers and the witch elves. They primarily play a running game, which you need to be very good at, or you're very likely to go negative on funds very quickly. Replacing DE positionals is very expensive...you need to know how to protect your key players, or you'll find yourself in games without blitzers in a hurry.
Orcs are a great team to learn on, then graduate to the other races. AV 9 across the board (because no one plays with goblins) means your roster will be very stable for a good long while. Their blitzers are among the best in the game, and you get 4 of them, which is really powerful. Black orcs provide the muscle necessary to compete with any team, and you have enough built in ball handling on a thrower to make a great running game, or even have the passing option if a blitzer rolls +agi. Linemen are about the best value in the game...5/3/3/9 for 50k means you're only gonna need 2 or 3 tops, and those guys are never gonna die, unlike lineman of almost all other races. The Troll is pretty good to add later too..he's a good starter big guy, to teach you about what the purpose is of them. They're capable of winning you games or losing you games, depending on what kind of decisions you make with them.
A lot of your comments mirror what I have been reading on other boards. I like the idea of the DE and the Vamps because they seem to be abe to take some hits and deliver some hits, yet they aren't as slow as Dwarves. I guess I need to just quit reading and start playing and decide for myself.
In an ideal situation i would just pick one team and stick with them. Basically learn all they offer good and bad and then master them, however I keep reading that i should start with a certain type of team and then graduate on to others. Perhaps I will give Orcs a try.
I'm going to put together a rerolled league for online play, just gotta find the time to finish exploring it and then i'll post again to see who all is interested. For those interested it wouldn't be super fast paced, probably no more than one game a week.
DE stands slightly better chances, they're mostly AV 8 (assassin is 7, but no one takes him, Runner is 7, but most people field only one runner, and Witch Elves are 7, but are the best players on the team), but like I said, if you lose a few positionals in a game, you're down to linemen, and they're pretty average as far as elves go. If you know what's going on in the game, you can probably do fine with DE's, but I wouldn't recommend Vamps until after you've got some good experience under your belt.
Thanks Cutlery, I will mess around with some teams tonight and try to make a decision.
@ Gavin, assuming you wait a few weeks (to let us noobs learn) to start the league you can count me in.
I just downloaded the legendary edition as well. I'm ready to rage.
Give the necro team a try for a balance between heavy hitting and movement abilities. I'm liking them a fair bit so far. You've got a few big bruisers with mummies (they are tough fuck with str5 and thick skull/regen) and still some okay running power with the ghouls as they come with dodge and a high movespeed. Only real disadvantage they have is a lack of any kind of passing game.
If someone starts up a Rerolled league let me know. I'll bring "The Lizardskins" out of retirement and join!
I was just sitting here wondering why I ever stopped playing and then it hit me: my greatest skink got killed. He was the Adrian Peterson of skinks; he could run the ball all day. But that's what I get for ignoring tackle zones and just charging to the goal line.
I'll look into setting up a league, if nothing else kind of a challenge league where we can play against each other. I haven't really looked into adminning tournaments/leagues, mostly because I don't have enough friends who can tolerate playing this game to be worthwhile
If we truly get this going should we request a sub-forum or just use this thread?
Keeping this Blood Bowl thread bumped could attract more people to the game. Should just use this one.
Can people who have the Legendary Edition play with those who have the Chaos Edition or the regular Blood Bowl?
The best part of this game so far is listening to Ronne rage in IRC.
Last edited by Cutlery; 12-27-2012 at 11:30 PM. Reason: clarified.
Making a league now. I'll created the Rerolled Open League...a place for us all to gather. If we have enough players, we'll create a tournament league.
I just played a game of Lizards vs. Dwarves. The opposing runner broke 4 tackle zones two turns in a row to make a perfect launch pass to a blitzer near the end zone who caught it and got a TD. Most unlikely thing I have ever seen. The runner had no special skills other than block either.
rerolled.org new league is up. I kept it "application only" in order to keep it private to us and we don't have a bunch of jackasses spamming teams up in there. As soon as I find Gavinrad, I'll make him an admin of the league, and hopefully between the 2 of us, we'll be able to approve applications pretty quickly here.
FYI, first time doing this, still learning the ropes, and there's a lot of complicated shit, so bear with me.
Any rules? Like only one team per race etc? Or just open?
You can make a tournament, which is what we'd do if we had 8 or 16 players or something, and then we can all decide on what the rules should be.
The other way is to just make a straight open league. This is set up so that you can have as many teams as you want in the league, and you can either play matchmaking in the league, or challenge other online coaches, or play ranked or unranked matches and all that bullshit. It is at it's very basic, just a place to refine us all into one search parameter, so if we're online and looking for a match, I can see "ooh, Obilio's on, I can play him."
And once we see how many people are interested in B, we can make A.
Submitted my team. Hailstorm, Orc team.
Finsihed a match earlier against an AI team, the Kemish(sp?). Egyptian undead guys. They had me dead to rights, then the ball carrier fumbled at the goal line. I picked it up with my thrower and had a guy way down the field. Easy throw and score from there. Spent the rest of the match playing keep away. Heh. They were kicking my ass too so it felt good to pull out a win.
For you noobs who don't quite know how to do this (because honestly, the interface is not intuitive at all), here's a tutorial.
Go to multiplayer, make a coach name and log in (it's like an old school battle.net log in).
On the overview, go to "Create Team," and build one.
Then, go to Leagues, click on the League Finder button. Enter rerolled.org, and you'll see it pop up.
On the bottom of that window, you should be able to choose your unregistered teams, and apply for the league.
Post in this thread or PM me if it's been longer than a few hours, and I'll get you approved for the league.
Doing it this, there's probably not going to be much matchmaking going on, but it will allow the noobs to play some skirmishes against the vets, and give you guys some people to play who aren't going to quit out as soon as they start losing or something like that.
Thanks for this thread, picked this up on steam and can't get enough of it.
Sounds good, I will make my team tonight. I think I am going to go with the Lizardmen, after doing a lot of reading I think they will suit the style I am hoping to play.
Okay, think I submitted my team - Eucliwood's Hellscythes.
The Chaos version is getting voted on for next deal on steam, would it be worth the extra $10 for that version? That is if it wins.
I applied to the rerolled.org league as LizardSkins.
Sean's in, Hatorade's in. You guys can make multiple teams, if you so desire too. There's not a limit for the open league.
Didn't see your team McCheese.
Bought the legendary ed. Will try and figure out how to play the game and submit my team in the next week or so.
Just applied Konquata Cold Bloods.
Got ya in, and Hatorade's new team.
Went with the Chaos version since it was voted in. looking forward to giving this game a shot.
Applied with the Court of the Shadow King, hope my High Elves aren't embarrassingly rusty
Just applied with Not Smurfs ... another Lizard Team with a different roster set up.
Can you see me now? Dont think I did anything different this time
Ok i did do something different this time. Interface is not intuitive at all.
You're in now.
And made you a commissioner of the league, so you can accept teams from people on here, since vacation's over and I gotta go back to work this weekend.
Pretty easy to go to the "Play" button and highlight your rerolled.org team, and then you can see who else is online and challenge them. Hatorade and I had a pretty damned good game that wasn't decided until turn 14.
Last edited by Cutlery; 12-28-2012 at 05:28 AM.
If by good game you mean the dice knocked me down every time then yeah My beast didn't go stupid all game though so there is that.
Get in here though Gavinrad isn't responding to my challenges and I need to bash some heads.
Last edited by Hatorade; 12-28-2012 at 05:36 AM.
Is there a date on when this is gonna start? I'd like to get invovled but I'm yet to even play a game yet since picking it up due to being so busy. Gonna get some games in soon with it after this weekend though.
All these little soft races! Ogres for life! Goremaw's Maulers is the team I have chosen to send in to battle!
Miniscule in Africa is here to make everyone cry.
Everyone who has posted has been accepted into the league. Meanwhile after that game with Sean I'm fighting the urge to uninstall!
"Teh Clap" has been submitted for approval!
Making a rerolled blood bowl group in steam might make finding an opponent easier since noone (probably) wants to hang around in (blood bowl) game looking for an opponent.
Got the last 2 teams in.
And I guess it kinda depends on what kinda action we've got going on. There's a lot more people in on this than I thought there'd be.
Tarrant -- Right now we're just running an open challenge league, no stress, easy way to learn. If we run something competitive, we'll do it after we see how many people we've got up to speed and interested.
Gotcha, thanks for the heads up.
Can't check right now if i got in, submitted 'We're men in tights' to the league!
Submitted my Dwarf Team, the Kaladim Steelers.
Yours is in Dokomo, so is' Sateal's other team.
Had a blast playing a few training games with Hate last night. So much to learn, I enjoyed the Lizards but I can see how having two types of players can hurt you. I will probably have to experiment a bit more with some other teams.
That being said, a lot of the top leagues are won by excellent lizard coaches. They're a bit difficult to learn, but they have serious potential once you start rolling agi or move on skinks.
Submitted my orc team, Hit Us Gently.
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