This is fan service, not a wide release. Should be rated R. /shrug
What are we doing here? What about the kids?
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This is fan service, not a wide release. Should be rated R. /shrug
Yeah, Killing Joke was never going to be PG-13
Who gives a shit about the kids. They don't have any money.
Joker implies he raped Barbara Gordon to torture the commissioner.
Nah, he cripples her with a gunshot wound to the back. Captures her father, and sticks him in a monkey cage naked. Then finally (he only has 24 hours to break him) he ties him to a roller coaster and puts his naked daughter on the big screen around the park showing photos of her bloodied, crippled, naked....
Just one bad day....is all it takes. And the joke is pretty philosophical but an old one. It should do really well, it was the 80's kids staple growing up.
Rated R is where it should have been. The best part about these announcements has been the resurrection of the pulled Batgirl cover that I thought really nailed the overall tone of that comic. Joker wanted to break people's psyches; personal opinion is that that's considerably more fucked up than just beating Jason Todd with a crowbar.
But, yea. It was left largely ambiguous, and there's evidence both ways - Joker raped someone in another comic (Jonny Frost's wife) so it's not completely out of character for him. I think that at this stage, it's largely assumed there was sexual assault, but the rape thing is more questionable.
That on top of the whole idea of wanting to break both Barbara and Jim, makes me lean towards it being true. Regardless, even a hint of it (cuz there certainly is that) would probably put it solidly in the R category.
It's also why I was super annoyed with them pulling the variant cover of Batgirl. It was spot on for the total breaking down of Barbara's body and mind in that comic. The whole "Superman wouldn't have cried over Doomsday!" Well, hey, maybe he would have if Doomsday had sexually fucking assaulted him.
People have found quotes from Moore both ways; he's been somewhat inconsistent. There was a pretty chilling quote (not confirmed) from him that said Joker did rape her, but it wasn't in any of the 3 orifices; it was in the wound. Which is all sorts of fucked up. (But explains the splash of blood on her body in the panels.)
Anyways, yea. R rating.
The only thing about the sexual assuault is if you think the Joker is a sexual being at all. Even with Harley Quinn THIRSTY for that Joker dick around its down to your own context to the character. Outside of the Arkham Games and MAYBE some design choices in the Morrison run I have never thought of him as a person who even cares about sexuality. When I first read the Killing Joke I never thought it was presented that way. Moore was never shy on putting implications of sexual assault in a book if was in there. I always saw it as when he lost his pigments he lost his humanity, and his relationship with Harley Quinn is completely one sided and sociopathic.
I also don't get where people think Batman killed the Joker in that story.
To that extent, I'd think the Joker was quite capable of going very far. Rape isn't about sex; it's about power and the complete ownership of someone. I'm not saying that it absolutely happened - it was left ambiguous for a reason, and I think the ambiguity even speaks to the tone. It is very Joker-like to do it, but never say it outright. Keeping you guessing, especially the readers, is a real mindfuck.
And again, this is a question fans have asked themselves for years. This is a movie for the fans, and as such will probably keep it pretty true to the source material. Anything that could be considered in that vein, is going to nab an R rating.
Last edited by LadyVex; 04-16-2016 at 04:51 PM.
It's a fine variant cover, it just doesn't make much business sense to use it after you've just rebooted Barbara into a perky teen college something lol selfies. There she is, right there in her new costume, placed back at her lowest point so we can put over the Joker for the Nth time. They should have went with something that made both characters look strong. The story of Barbara Gordon isn't that the Joker tortured and paralyzed her, it's that she went through everything he could dish out and still came out the other end a hero. It's her brand new comic, find a way to make her look like a hero.
I know that and you know that but the redesign of that character is very clearly trying to drag in younger (and maybe even female) readers who don't really have any idea what is going on. It's not like on the outer cover there's a picture of Batgirl triumphing. It's just this one dark image referencing something from a long time ago. Hell, they were already pissing off long term fans of her as Oracle.
I just think they really, really mishandled the relaunch of that character is what I'm saying.
That cover clearly shows batgirl as the victim. I think the idea was to show that being a victim and being a hero aren't mutually exclusive.
I just want the dude to write more batman.
yeah. I dont know wth happened to Smith. I can't stand listening to him anymore either.
He stopped being cool when he got kicked off a flight for being too fat and went on to cry about all over the internet. Even if you don't know it that's the exact moment you stopped liking him.
I will say the shit he does for his addict friend (guy who played Jay) is above and beyond though, so while I ignore him for the most part, I'm really not going to talk shit. It's worth reading about.
Last edited by Jait; 04-18-2016 at 05:30 PM.
Its obviously sexual assault stripping someone by force and taking pictures of them and by current law interpretations and SJW viewpoints its def rape. And its quite a interesting story in the fact that its trying to crystalize the "moral" of Batman... back in the day when the Joker mostly killed his henchmen and crap and the batman TV series with wham! pop! whack! he never really killed anyone and the entire "why doesn't batman just kill him already! he always comes back and causes more problems!" was ethical and debatable... but imo its been taken to far, batman watches the joker kill a troop of boy scouts, poisons and entire chunk of people etc. etc. and its "nope! off or jail again! because if I kill him, I am a bad guy" or "then he wins" its just stupid- I like to think the killing joke is the end, snap done, it shouldn't have even gotten that far.
Writers have done the "Joker's come back but THIS time it's different!" story a bunch of times. From the Killing Joke to Grant Morrison's Thin White Duke of Death to the Joker that cut his face off to this latest memetic virus-through-history plague factory that infected all of Gotham with the Rage virus from 28 days later the character is now so insane and his body counts are so high that there's just no reason anymore that someone somewhere hasn't pitched him into the sun.
It breaks the "realism" of the setting he hasn't killed him yet.
Harley is at that point now too.
She is in the same deal. Time and time again, "its too easy to kill you". Making her character still totally revolve around him, while at the same time they are trying to make her own character, and anti-hero, and solo.
Joker causing his own death, by pushing Harley too far, solves every problem.
batman not killing works fine when we're talking about joker mostly just doing harassing type crimes. not even just joker but he stands out. but when you go from, joker filled the macy's day parade balloons with joker toxin! they're set to pop at 10am exactly and then everyone WILL LAUGH THEMSELVES TO DEATH!! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUN!!! to joker just finished cutting his own face off and chopping alfred's hand of and burying an axe in gordon's chest... it's just too visceral a crime to let go. in order to test batman, his enemies have to keep one-upping themselves. that's why we just don't see batman taking down street thugs on any kind of regular basis. there's no suspense in that. but scarecrow unleashing fear gas on the entire city so everyone tears each other apart... well, now that's a challenge! but once batman solves that problem scarecrow needs to do something more serious.
there comes a point where batman forces himself into irrelevancy.
This made me watch some youtube stuff, one of which is all the animated and video game joker deaths... most are accidental or caused by his own plan being foiled - but the animated dark Knight rises, the joker just busts into an amusement park kills a police guy that for whatever reason didn't just put a bullet into the joker...then takes his gun and goes into the tunnel of love and proceeds to shoot everyone he comes across. Batman follows his wake and sees all these innocent people laying dead- catches the joker and says something to extent of "I am guilty of those you murdered because I have let you live." Perfect, great- awesome people will get that, understand and agree... they fight batman "snaps" jokers neck and 2 people down the hall see him and oh nos run away! Then they ruin it by having the joker still be alive and give his "hehe I won because you killed me! Now they will kill you! Oh your bad, I broke you haha" ... is Gotham filled with libtards who love just sending these mega villans to jail yet would Lynch batman? Sheesh.
Last edited by xadion; 04-19-2016 at 01:35 AM. Reason: Autocorrect is gay
That happens in the comics not just the animated movie based on it.
Yea, I dunno if you've been following the Injustice comic (It's never been really good, though there are some really tremendous parts to it, and it's definitely gotten worse as it catches up to the start of the game) but crazy shit like killing people happens and paves the way for some nutty shit.
So it sort of shows you how killing would put a hero down a path from which there is no return. That's not to say there's not a point that a smart hero would rein shit in, but once you kill people, you can start validating a lot of things in the name of justice and safety. Injustice was pretty cool for just that reason.
And it's almost hilariously exactly what that clip above illustrates.
I also really like that it reads more REAL for Superman in Injustice. I always felt like they had stupid reasons or contrived scenarios to keep Superman on the straight and narrow, and in Injustice they seem to let it write itself. Cuz really, why wouldn't a dude with the ability to shoot someone into the sun just straight up murder the people he thinks are terrible? He is in this weird spot where he has all the powers of a god and none of the detachment, and all of the perspective and experience as a mortal without the vulnerabilities.
Superman in Injustice is the closest I've ever gotten to liking that hero. (Even if he's a total twat.)
That artwork is awful though. What the hell is wrong with batman's cowl?
Yeah, the art is spotty at times but overall it's not a bad read.
Oh god grimlokk make it stop. Fuck. I'm sorry. Whatever I did, just please no more.
Wolverin: Origins had the same terrible art style. i wanted to enjoy that series so much but i just could not get past the art. what is it with giving such big stories to TERRIBLE artists?
Wolverine: Origin is nothing like that art.
Oh wait. Apparently there is a wolverine origins comic book. Sorry if that's what you meant.
Last edited by The Ancient; 04-22-2016 at 02:49 PM.
not sold on the animation but it definitely looks disturbing
Looks a little on the cheap side.
I love it, the voice actors for this have been super hyped in interviews and on twitter. more even than just for the paycheck. This was the first major graphic novel I read and I'm so excited.
it's good to hear conroy and hamil as batman and joker again. i'm really not a fan of the new animated voices they've been using.
R for bloody and disturbing images but not nudity? so the west is still like "only anime haz nudez yo" but as typical fashion violence etc. is all good.
but it looks good, till download.
I just wish they would have sprung for more than 8 FPS.
So this comes out on Digital July 26 and august for DVD
Pretty crazy, hopefully there is one by me
Record Breaking Batman: The Killing Joke Theatrical Release Adds 300 Theaters
Due to overwhelming fan demand and sold out theaters in major markets, more than 300 theater locations have been added for the big-screen debut of Batman: The Killing Joke, now showing at over 1,000 U.S. cinemas and making this the widest rollout for any event in Fathom Events’ history. The acclaimed graphic novel-turned-film will be shown for just one night on Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:30 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. local time. This event reunites the foundation of Batman: The Animated Series with Bruce Timm returning as executive producer, and actors Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill reprising their seminal roles as Batman and The Joker, respectively.
In addition to the animated feature, audience members will get to experience a special introduction from Hamill, plus a never-before-seen documentary about the actor and his passion for this project. The event also includes a special behind-the-scenes look at how the Joker’s memorable, yet disturbing, song and dance number was recreated for this feature. Batman: The Killing Joke is a 2K presentation that has been remastered for this theatrical event.
Thanks for sharing that. Looks like there's a couple theaters near me that have showings available.
Movie is out for download, really wanted to watch it in the theater but cant.
Hopefully this does a decent job, I enjoy the DC animated movies. I would probably pay the absurd ticket price to watch Under the Red Hood and others on the big screen
Last edited by Homsar; 07-22-2016 at 07:00 PM.
lots of talk about "additions" to this.
really, really shit "additions".
They cheapened the story with this. I really wanted to like it too.
Ragefire - Snatty / Vlett
Tunare - Sethlen / Ryoh
Vulak - Snatty / Terran
Stormrage - Vlett (RIP WoW)
Balmung - Vlett Byrn
Trakanon - Vlett
I was like, umm... no the entire point of the story is to show that the joker is remorseless evil pysco bastard and pulls out every stop to drive gordon into madness and over the edge and prove his point in justifying his own (the jokers) actions and behavior and why he does the things he does.
So imo cutting out/down that aspect is castrating the story and it's overall point.
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